Spurs Amazon Documentary?

I like Danny Rose but his attitude is all wrong. He should of approached Jose and asked him what he needed to do to get back in the team, not bitch and question his decisions.

Welll watching that again shows how key sons elbow injury was with the Leipzig and Chelsea games killing off our season .

How necessary was the op? is this modern football? In saying that son did look in discomfort and it was possibly adrenaline getting him through the villa game

With the rose situation he must have burnt his bridges with levy when he made those comments about “googling players “ he’s also likely not proven his fitness , even at the end of pochs tenure he wasn’t playing huge amounts although he did play well in the CL semi final

Somethings changed about rose the last few years is he bitter about not getting a move still

George94 said:

Very reassuring when your head of recruitment says he hates the transfer window ?

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He works with Levy!

I havent seen the episodes - I will tonight though with a big bag of chips, some malbec and some mood lighting but I have seen the Danny Rose clip.

I dont think Rose did anything wrong, he is frustrated and wears his heart on his sleeve but I also think Jose saying it is your perspective is also slightly wrong as that kind of dismisses the issue at hand by suggesting it is i Dannys head

I have confronted my boss before, perhaps not in a confrontational manner but there are times when people just throw their toys out of the pram - hell even my boss has done that.

Danny is right though, we have had shit performers who continually played but i suspect because we had no one else to play in those situations.

JCRD said:

I havent seen the episodes - I will tonight though with a big bag of chips, some malbec and some mood lighting but I have seen the Danny Rose clip.

I dont think Rose did anything wrong, he is frustrated and wears his heart on his sleeve but I also think Jose saying it is your perspective is also slightly wrong as that kind of dismisses the issue at hand by suggesting it is i Dannys head

I have confronted my boss before, perhaps not in a confrontational manner but there are times when people just throw their toys out of the pram - hell even my boss has done that.

Danny is right though, we have had shit performers who continually played but i suspect because we had no one else to play in those situations.

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We know the club wanted Rose out for some time now. To me Mourinho was probably following orders to help get him out. Don't see how anyone can be pissed at a loyal servant wanting to play and contribute and also he was right to say how can I get any rhythm when I play once every 8 weeks.

I dont see the issue with what danny rose said, ok he maybe could have worded it better but if he was putting the effort in during training and others werent whilst playing poorly and remaining in the team i think he has a right to be pissed, we did have some woeful performances last year and has felt like forever since we had genuine competition for places which is why i think we see such complancy at times. Great first 11, very average squad depth

jurgen said:

Failing to sign a backup striker was glossed over pretty smoothly especially given the hard luck story of injuries.

We got some platitudes about best intentions and a comment from dear leader to us proles about how we don't understand all the moving parts in a transfer. Presumably other clubs also have to deal with said moving parts when they sign strikers too, but what do I know.

It's a far cry from watching the Sunderland chairman getting slowly shafted harder and harder for Will Grigg against his better judgement!

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Same with the Leeds doc, where they have Dan James completing medical, signing 99.9% of paperwork etc. and then Swansea not answering phone calls.

Hmm, take the above on board but no, not for me.

I think it’s fair to question if you aren’t in the team but I think Danny goes about it with basically zero respect. The way he actually talks to his manager just shows zero respect. I think people try to excuse that by saying he’s a “heart on sleeve” type. However I think you can be a straight up, honest, heart on sleeve person without talking to someone with that level of disrespect.

You can see why Danny is struggling, in his head he believes he is still Performing at a level that the wider world of football doesn’t seem to agree with.

As I say, can see why people want to question why they are not in the team, but regardless of your own greivances I don’t think it’s much to ask that you still talk to people with a bit of respect.

Jamturk said:

Regarding Rose I prefer the man that punches me in the face than the man that stabs me in the back. Good passion, a man that wants to play football.

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Maybe just try hanging out with men who don’t try to harm you at all?

Love the Japhet Tanganga parts. Gonna root for him to be a long term success for Tottenham. Local boy about to make it - what more can you ask for

Just watched 4 & 5, I thought that fair enough of Danny Rose questioning why he's not playing as CB's playing LB instead of him but he did come across fairly aggressive in that meeting with Jose and a bit volatile the way he just walked out and said I'm going to speak to Daniel tell him I'm here etc, for me I think its his attitude and disruptive nature that Jose didn't/doesn't want rather than necessarily the quality he brings or doesn't bring on the pitch. When you also add that he regularly leaks things to the press that's also not ideal.

I'm actually surprised that Jose didn't call his attitude out a bit more rather than saying he didn't play that well against Liverpool, surely Jose didn't actually prefer Jan or Tanganga at LB compared to Rose? Tanganga is a great prospect but is a right footer and isn't really a LB so surely its Rose's attitude that is more the issue? What did other people think on this?

Also I thought Levy came across pretty well in the conversation between him Eriksen and Levy, trying to balance the fact that we had injuries and wanted a fair fee for him 20m euro's which with 6 months left on his contract is a fairly reasonable ask for a near on world class player and said reluctantly we'll let you go if the fee is right for us but we've said all along that we don't want you to go. Tad worrying when he said "as we know all the deals happen in the last week of the window"... yes in your little world they do Daniel but deals can be done at other times, thankfully this summer has shown that a leopard can changes its spots a bit...

When we signed Bergwijn and Levy jokingly said "you mustn't let him down now its just so classic Levy in his delivery just comes across too harsh, the more the episodes go on the more he comes across exactly as i thought he would, he knows what he's doing to run the club, he's a bit cautious, he's a bit awkward but he does seem to care and have the clubs best interests at heart, I'd rate him about a 7/10 at what he does, could sell players or make decisions more quickly and would be good if he wasn't quite so awkward as i can imagine that will rub some people up the wrong way but I don't think he's a complete idiot and generally fairly ok that he's running the club.

Hugo's team talks were more aggressive than i thought they would be, nice to see.

What did people think on Rose, Levy and Hugo scenes?

NEVILLEB said:

Daniel Levy is as odd as I imagined.

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He loves the scrunch face wave hands up and down like scales combo.

Rose was a great player for us, stayed with us through his peak and I understand his perspective in some ways. Unfortunately he didn’t handle it well and looks like he just doesn’t understand his place in the pecking order.”

Oscar22 said:

Hmm, take the above on board but no, not for me.

I think it’s fair to question if you aren’t in the team but I think Danny goes about it with basically zero respect. The way he actually talks to his manager just shows zero respect. I think people try to excuse that by saying he’s a “heart on sleeve” type. However I think you can be a straight up, honest, heart on sleeve person without talking to someone with that level of disrespect.

You can see why Danny is struggling, in his head he believes he is still Performing at a level that the wider world of football doesn’t seem to agree with.

As I say, can see why people want to question why they are not in the team, but regardless of your own greivances I don’t think it’s much to ask that you still talk to people with a bit of respect.

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Think this is pretty spot on. He’s just not performing at the level he thinks. A couple of things indicated this too, “Have Milan called yet” and “I need to look ahead to the Euros” come to mind.

Loved the win vs Man.City, seeing the behind the scenes of that has got me so buzzing for next season. Also sometimes in the matches against lesser opposition I'm kind of thinking why isn't Jose earning his money but against Man.City his team talks especially at half time etc were spot on, he told us to be more nasty and to focus on the players they had on yellow cards, then we managed to get Zinchenko sent off and won 2-0, brilliant stuff from Jose, get him more players he wants and we can do big things.

George94 said:

Very reassuring when your head of recruitment says he hates the transfer window ?

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Haha was thinking the same, between him and Levy it says a lot.
He's a funny old character SH but seems to know what he's doing from the little footage we saw from him.

NEVILLEB said:

Mourinho’s body language when talking to the head physio was disappointing and a reminder of some of the problems he’s had in the past. Quite manipulative.

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Which scene?
When the guy came out onto the training pitch and told him about Kane he was in the middle of a training session so no problem, he was focusing on the session he was delivering, if you're referring to a difference scene then fair enough. To me Jose has come across ok, I can see why he might rub a few people up the wrong way but generally he seems fairly ok to me and also quite a good motivator and man manager

Actually think Steve Hitchen comes across worst from those episodes.

Head of recruitment but spends the time moaning at how hard it is to compete with United etc and emphasising again how difficult it is to get transfers done. Can see why Levy likes him but for me he came across pretty miserable for a guy whose job isn't to work the numbers but to unearth talents.

rebrab said:

“Have Milan called yet”

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The weird thing, if you grew up in the 80s/90s, is we live in a world where Milan and Bournemouth could be credible destinations for the same player. They really made him look a twat with that line and negative response though. David Brent level cringe.

yankspurs said:

I dont have a problem with Rose. In fact, kind of wish he didnt have that convesation in the managers office and had it in front of the team. They were absolute fucking shit and had been all season. Would have no problem with someone calling them out to their faces. I’m floored they put that in this documentary though. Poor from the club. He does need to leave the club permanently though.

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I sincerely hope you're not in a management role wherever you work if you feel that would be appropriate...

fishhhandaricecake said:

Just watched 4 & 5, I thought that fair enough of Danny Rose questioning why he's not playing as CB's playing LB instead of him but he did come across fairly aggressive in that meeting with Jose and a bit volatile the way he just walked out and said I'm going to speak to Daniel tell him I'm here etc, for me I think its his attitude and disruptive nature that Jose didn't/doesn't want rather than necessarily the quality he brings or doesn't bring on the pitch. When you also add that he regularly leaks things to the press that's also not ideal.

I'm actually surprised that Jose didn't call his attitude out a bit more rather than saying he didn't play that well against Liverpool, surely Jose didn't actually prefer Jan or Tanganga at LB compared to Rose? Tanganga is a great prospect but is a right footer and isn't really a LB so surely its Rose's attitude that is more the issue? What did other people think on this?

Also I thought Levy came across pretty well in the conversation between him Eriksen and Levy, trying to balance the fact that we had injuries and wanted a fair fee for him 20m euro's which with 6 months left on his contract is a fairly reasonable ask for a near on world class player and said reluctantly we'll let you go if the fee is right for us but we've said all along that we don't want you to go. Tad worrying when he said "as we know all the deals happen in the last week of the window"... yes in your little world they do Daniel but deals can be done at other times, thankfully this summer has shown that a leopard can changes its spots a bit...

Hugo's team talks were more aggressive than i thought they would be, nice to see.

What did people think on Rose, Levy and Hugo scenes?

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Let's not forget, this Rose meeting was just after Watford away.

Where Tanganga played defensive LB against Sarr who a) 6'1 b) very fast and strong c) LEFT FOOTED.

So IF the manager wants his LB to just defend then surely a taller, faster, stronger, righted footed, and more defensive minded player was a justifiable choice?

JM made the decision from the get go that we were only playing one small attacking full back, owing to our imbalance in midfield. So to get back in Danny had to outperform Serge.

If he'd taken his head out of his ass long enough, he might have listened to the coach, understood why he was out and knuckled down to get back in.

His behaviour and reaction were symptomatic of a toxic and entitled attitude, and I think once he briefed against JM to the Sun he was done at Spurs and sad as that may be rightly so.