A positive article on Pochettino and Levy (by Marcotti)

[samsonlevi]

GOOD READ....

Please post the link to the website so we can click through to it.....this indicates to the writer and his boss that his writing is being read....therefore means he will write more!!

 

[teok]

GOOD READ....

Please post the link to the website so we can click through to it.....this indicates to the writer and his boss that his writing is being read....therefore means he will write more!!

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/15001

If a mod or the op can edit this in. Every one click anyway if you have already just read the text.

 

[guiltyparty]

What a fantastic article

Almost stunned into silence it's so good. Credit to his profession etc

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

yip im all for judging our players on next season, onwards and upwards

 

[sloth]

He lost me when he tried to put a positive spin on 8 managers in 13 years.

Interesting article though.

Levy 8 managers in 13 years

Now let's look at the number of coaches in 13 years (excluding interims) at Europe's current champions :

PSG 8/13
Atletico 11/13
Porto 11/13
Juve 8/13
Bayern 8/13
Ajax 7/13
City 6/13

There are successful clubs who've enjoyed far fewer coaches over the period of course, and succesful clubs who will have enjoyed more. The only points being that number of coaches is not a good correlation with success, and Levy is not exceptional in his approach to hiring and firing.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Levy 8 managers in 13 years

Now let's look at the number of coaches in 13 years (excluding interims) at Europe's current champions :

PSG 8/13
Atletico 11/13
Porto 11/13
Juve 8/13
Bayern 8/13
Ajax 7/13
City 6/13

There are successful clubs who've enjoyed far fewer coaches over the period of course, and succesful clubs who will have enjoyed more. The only points being that number of coaches is not a good correlation with success, and Levy is not exceptional in his approach to hiring and firing.

So it doesn't matter if you change coach every other season.

Great. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[guiltyparty]

So it doesn't matter if you change coach every other season.

Great. Thanks for clearing that up.

Isn't the point that the 'look at Fergie and Wenger' argument is the exception to the rule?

It really doesn't happen much in this day and age, certainly at the top – stakes are too high. And the media pretend to ignore this when it suits their story, which Marcotti totally nails

And it also doesn't guarantee success. Far from it - most of the top teams change their managers a lot. The fear of failure drives them to success as much as backing an unsuccessful manager does, you could argue.

That's what I took from it anyway. It's not as clear-cut as some would like to think. "Give him five years" does not equal "he will be successful". Interesting to see if, statistically, it even gives a better chance of success

 

[MarkyP]

I like his reference to other journalists who quite clearly have an agenda against Spurs for whatever reason.... nice to know its not just us Spurs fans that see this!

 

[HobbitSpur]

I like his reference to other journalists who quite clearly have an agenda against Spurs for whatever reason.... nice to know its not just us Spurs fans that see this!

I'm surprised someone hasn't photoshopped a picture of Marcotti in a Spurs Shirt!!

 

[mill]

I like his reference to other journalists who quite clearly have an agenda against Spurs for whatever reason.... nice to know its not just us Spurs fans that see this!

I think some are just less tabloid shock sensational in their approach as they consider themselves professionals, I remember duncan castles having a pop at Samuels and Ashton after the avb stuff

 

[Kiedis]

Isn't the point that the 'look at Fergie and Wenger' argument is the exception to the rule?

It really doesn't happen much in this day and age, certainly at the top – stakes are too high. And the media pretend to ignore this when it suits their story, which Marcotti totally nails

And it also doesn't guarantee success. Far from it - most of the top teams change their managers a lot. The fear of failure drives them to success as much as backing an unsuccessful manager does, you could argue.

That's what I took from it anyway. It's not as clear-cut as some would like to think. "Give him five years" does not equal "he will be successful". Interesting to see if, statistically, it even gives a better chance of success

Spot on. Some people argued that hiring van Gaal would be retarded since "he's old and wont last beyond a three year contract". Three years is an eternity in modern football.

Every manager is essentially ten games away from getting the boot. It's all about maintaining results, and looking like you know what you're doing.

The former may save you from not doing the latter, but it will hardly ever be the other way around.

Said the grumpy old man.

 

[sloth]

So it doesn't matter if you change coach every other season.

Great. Thanks for clearing that up.

If you look at that list, it would suggest that clubs change coach until they find the right one, and only when success follows do they stick (or try to). Indeed that's the pattern at all clubs even Utd and Arsenal.

There is a further circumstance that some clubs have suffered and that is that you find the right one and then he's poached by a bigger club. It's perhaps damning of Levy that other than AVB's reported rejection of PSG last summer, none of our coaches have gone onto be poached or even sought after by larger clubs than us.

Anyway, assuming he's not poached, and he's not pulling up trees either, the question then becomes how long do you give him and what particular circumstances trigger a sacking?

I think you keep him if the over all team is improving and doing so in a way that can be linked to the quality of his coaching. You keep him if he's working well with the structures at the club, he's helping bring the kids through and with identifying transfer targets. You keep him even if finishing positions are at the lower end of the desired range if there are extenuating circumstances, such as happened this season where your star man left and you had to integrate a scratch team.

You sack him if his own interests have diverged from the interests of the club and he's working in his own interests. If you don't feel the team is improving due to his coaching, he's not helping bring the kids through and his transfer targets are self-serving, short-termist, and/or unrealistic, and if the team is performing way below what you judge it's potential to be for a prolonged period of time, if he's lost the faith of his players and the management team above him, through his words, actions, or performance, then you sack him.

 

[Metalhead]

What a fantastic article

Almost stunned into silence it's so good. Credit to his profession etc

Journalist in balanced, thoughtful and non sensationalist shocker!

 

[SteveH]

Journalist in balanced, thoughtful and non sensationalist shocker!

I think in the main they, journalists, are best described as venal cockroaches. I hate them in all in their many guises.

 

[Metalhead]

I think in the main they, journalists, are best described as venal cockroaches. I hate them in all in their many guises.

I don't mind Marcotti because he's a genuine football fan and knows his subject inside out therefore I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as some of those cynical journos who only care about how prominently positioned their stories are.

 

[Mullers]

That was a broadcast brought to you today by the BSoDL party.

 

[SteveH]

I don't mind Marcotti because he's a genuine football fan and knows his subject inside out therefore I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as some of those cynical journos who only care about how prominently positioned their stories are.

I would definitely agree re Marcotti and there a few others. But as a group and not just the sports variety I find them execrable. I dont use the word hate lightly but I would use it in their case.

 

[SteveH]

That was a broadcast brought to you today by the BSoDL party.

And you would rather follow the doctrines of Robbie Savage and Jamie Redknapp?

 

[Mullers]

And you would rather follow the doctrines of Robbie Savage and Jamie Redknapp?

I don't read their stuff.

 

[Mullers]

Most importantly perhaps, from Levy’s perspective, there will be accountability. There’s a guy responsible for bringing in players and a guy responsible for coaching them. Compared to Villas-Boas and Sherwood, both seem comfortable in their roles. If it doesn’t work out this time, it won’t be hard to pinpoint the problem.

Really? Who?