Callum Wilson signs for Newcastle

[TEESSIDE1]

This Wilson situation reminds me of Demba Ba. His knee was one knock away from career ending yet Chelsea where the only team prepared to take a risk on him and paid circa £7m for him. Wilson’s knees aren’t much better and we’re now prepared to pay circa £15m for him? Surely there’s better options out there.

 

[kent brockman]

That article sounds a

Smacks of Bournemouth trying to bluff in the media. Just like Southampton did with Hojbjerg. Went from £35m to £25m to £15m.

Exactly. They had a sky high wage-to-revenue ratio already in the PL.
Assuming that the player contracts do not include a wage reduction upon relegation, they simply will be forced to sell.
Edit: Seems like the players do have relegation clauses based on the above post. I hang my head in shame...

 

[THFCSPURS19]

AFCB fan in peace.

I'd thought I'd correct a few misconceptions here.

Yes, our wage bill was £110m in the last accounts. There or thereabouts anyway. Lots owed on transfers as well.

However, since then we've been relegated and every player in the squad had a relegation reduction clause apart from Nathan Ake. And he has been sold. We don't know the level of the % as it seems it isn't a blanket number although The Guardian reported that Wilson's was set at 50%. So we won't be paying him £100k/week in the Championship, more like £50k. Still a chunky sum but depending what choices the manager makes it could maybe be justified for a season.

Meanwhile, from that wage bill as well as taking of those relegation reductions you can remove the wages of:

Ake, Fraser, Boruc, Defoe, Ibe, Brad Smith, Francis, Surman and Daniels. Daniels may yet be offered a new contract if he proves his fitness but is currently without a deal. All the others are definitely gone and that's a pretty significant saving.

Then factor in other savings that are pretty certain to come:
Begovic has 12 months left on his deal and will go on loan somewhere. It looks like AC Milan want him as their number 2 again so I guess he will end up there with them covering the salary.

Harry Arter is still in contract but the reason he left was to do with personal issues rather than ability so there isn't much chance he will come back since those same personal issues are still likely in play. There's a good chance his brother-in-law Scott Parker will take him to Fulham but something will happen with him moving on.

Josh King only has 12 months left on his contract and so will definitely be sold. We won't again risk letting another player act like a poisoned toe rag through the whole last year of their contract like Fraser. There seems to be a mass of clubs chasing him but I guess it'll only crystalise into one or two offers. He'll go though and again that's another higher earner off the bill.

The Ramsdale deal to Sheff Utd looks set. I'll be honest in I hoped that wouldn't happen but if it does a deal worth £21m (minus the Sheff Utd sell on making it worth £18.5m to us) is decent cash in the bank and another PL earner off the wage bill.

Then we come back the man you may be chasing, Callum.

He's said he wants to go as he has the idea he may get into the Euros squad next summer. I don't see it myself but you can't blame a guy for wanting to back himself. Not sure how that would tally with playing for you though where he would obviously have limited game time.

Anyway, with him on a long contract at a more affordable wage after the reduction and with £60m all but banked already and more likely to come we're in a position to hold for a price that we deem acceptable.

I doubt it will end up be £30m but £25m I can see. There are enough clubs in need of a proven striker that when it gets close to the window shutting, even if you've walked away, someone that has started the season badly will panic and bid for him. Or, if they don't, we keep him until January and then demand the full £30m then as we all know clubs are even more desperate then.

So yeah, on the surface we look to be in need of cash but actually a lot of steps have already been taken and others seem inevitable. Don't expect to get him on the cheap.

As for all the bitching from the AFCB fans about him last season, ignore them. He's still genuine PL quality. There was a whole host of bad things that hit at the same time to conspire to make our last season terrible and fans are fickle so lash out at everyone when that happens. The only one truly deserving of the bile is Fraser.

Since the ACL's, Wilson has been mostly fit so shouldn't really be an injury concern.

We'll see what happens but even if he wants to go to Spurs, I don't see us selling him unless you pay close to the full asking price.

Thank you for explaining the situation! What clubs are interested in King and how much do you think you will want for him? I'd prefer King to Wilson tbh.

 

[Philly Yid]

That article sounds a


Exactly. They had a sky high wage-to-revenue ratio already in the PL.
Assuming that the player contracts do not include a wage reduction upon relegation, they simply will be forced to sell.
Edit: Seems like the players do have relegation clauses based on the above post. I hang my head in shame...

They DID just pocket 41m from the Ake sale. And Wilson is their highest wage earner at 60k a week.

Edit, and then I saw the long explanation above after I posted. Whoops

 

[Will Dance For Chocolate]

If I was you I'd go for King as well. Much better all round player in my opinion.

There's so much guff it's impossible to say who is really after King. The reports at the weekend had 10 clubs in England along with Benfica, PSG and someone else. Looks utter tosh to me but out of all the rumours there's going to be one or two genuine ones at least. Not PSG though, that gave me a chuckle.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Let’s just pray we have other options lined up or we all know how this will end ...

 

[SpartanSpur]

AFCB fan in peace.

I'd thought I'd correct a few misconceptions here.

Yes, our wage bill was £110m in the last accounts. There or thereabouts anyway. Lots owed on transfers as well.

However, since then we've been relegated and every player in the squad had a relegation reduction clause apart from Nathan Ake. And he has been sold. We don't know the level of the % as it seems it isn't a blanket number although The Guardian reported that Wilson's was set at 50%. So we won't be paying him £100k/week in the Championship, more like £50k. Still a chunky sum but depending what choices the manager makes it could maybe be justified for a season.

Meanwhile, from that wage bill as well as taking of those relegation reductions you can remove the wages of:

Ake, Fraser, Boruc, Defoe, Ibe, Brad Smith, Francis, Surman and Daniels. Daniels may yet be offered a new contract if he proves his fitness but is currently without a deal. All the others are definitely gone and that's a pretty significant saving.

Then factor in other savings that are pretty certain to come:
Begovic has 12 months left on his deal and will go on loan somewhere. It looks like AC Milan want him as their number 2 again so I guess he will end up there with them covering the salary.

Harry Arter is still in contract but the reason he left was to do with personal issues rather than ability so there isn't much chance he will come back since those same personal issues are still likely in play. There's a good chance his brother-in-law Scott Parker will take him to Fulham but something will happen with him moving on.

Josh King only has 12 months left on his contract and so will definitely be sold. We won't again risk letting another player act like a poisoned toe rag through the whole last year of their contract like Fraser. There seems to be a mass of clubs chasing him but I guess it'll only crystalise into one or two offers. He'll go though and again that's another higher earner off the bill.

The Ramsdale deal to Sheff Utd looks set. I'll be honest in I hoped that wouldn't happen but if it does a deal worth £21m (minus the Sheff Utd sell on making it worth £18.5m to us) is decent cash in the bank and another PL earner off the wage bill.

Then we come back the man you may be chasing, Callum.

He's said he wants to go as he has the idea he may get into the Euros squad next summer. I don't see it myself but you can't blame a guy for wanting to back himself. Not sure how that would tally with playing for you though where he would obviously have limited game time.

Anyway, with him on a long contract at a more affordable wage after the reduction and with £60m all but banked already and more likely to come we're in a position to hold for a price that we deem acceptable.

I doubt it will end up be £30m but £25m I can see. There are enough clubs in need of a proven striker that when it gets close to the window shutting, even if you've walked away, someone that has started the season badly will panic and bid for him. Or, if they don't, we keep him until January and then demand the full £30m then as we all know clubs are even more desperate then.

So yeah, on the surface we look to be in need of cash but actually a lot of steps have already been taken and others seem inevitable. Don't expect to get him on the cheap.

As for all the bitching from the AFCB fans about him last season, ignore them. He's still genuine PL quality. There was a whole host of bad things that hit at the same time to conspire to make our last season terrible and fans are fickle so lash out at everyone when that happens. The only one truly deserving of the bile is Fraser.

Since the ACL's, Wilson has been mostly fit so shouldn't really be an injury concern.

We'll see what happens but even if he wants to go to Spurs, I don't see us selling him unless you pay close to the full asking price.

Thanks. Love informative posts from rival fans like this. Welcome.

I guess the argument is if he scores 10+ as a squad player for Spurs (feasible with Europa and Cup game, Kane's injury record and also sub appearances) and shows signs of forming an understanding with Kane that might sway Southgate more than him notching 15-18 as top scorer at a Newcastle for example.

To be fair to Bournemouth they have so far asked for top dollar for Ramsdale and Ake and seem to be getting it. Daniel Levy is a different beast though and sadly for you I think Wilson will be banging on the door to leave. If Wilson is willing to go a bottom half PL side as top dog then you might get that £20m+, but if he is set on Spurs then Levy will be pushing for under that.

Either way I wish you guys well for next season, thought you were a breath of fresh air in the PL. Hopefully you can rebuild well and do well in the Championship next year.

 

[thfc1989]

I would much prefer King to Wilson, feels like a no brainer if he only has one year left on the contract

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

If I was you I'd go for King as well. Much better all round player in my opinion.

There's so much guff it's impossible to say who is really after King. The reports at the weekend had 10 clubs in England along with Benfica, PSG and someone else. Looks utter tosh to me but out of all the rumours there's going to be one or two genuine ones at least. Not PSG though, that gave me a chuckle.

welcome! Can you share some insight on Brooks?

 

[Legacy]

However, since then we've been relegated and every player in the squad had a relegation reduction clause apart from Nathan Ake. And he has been sold. We don't know the level of the % as it seems it isn't a blanket number although The Guardian reported that Wilson's was set at 50%. So we won't be paying him £100k/week in the Championship, more like £50k. Still a chunky sum but depending what choices the manager makes it could maybe be justified for a season.

Would you not be concerned about Wilson's motivation if the club tried to price him out of a move back into the Premier League, and a potential England spot, while he's forced to take a 50% pay cut?

I seem to remember Defoe kicking up a fuss and trying to force a transfer out of West Ham pretty much as soon as they got relegated.

 

[sausage]

This Wilson situation reminds me of Demba Ba. His knee was one knock away from career ending yet Chelsea where the only team prepared to take a risk on him and paid circa £7m for him. Wilson’s knees aren’t much better and we’re now prepared to pay circa £15m for him? Surely there’s better options out there.

They did the same with Remy, and both of them did a decent job to be honest.

Demba Ba was the one who took advantage of Gerrard's slip, so that was worth £7m alone.

 

[topper]

Whorof
Where:Coys
When: About 15 mins ago
'Not in any way new or surprising information but thought it worth passing on a note received from Galahad:



"We have 100% made contact with CW."



I dare say we make contact with plenty of clubs, agents and players though. Will share more snippets if/when he sends any.'

 

[TEESSIDE1]

They did the same with Remy, and both of them did a decent job to be honest.

Demba Ba was the one who took advantage of Gerrard's slip, so that was worth £7m alone.

They both did well but Chelsea can afford to write off vast sums of money whereas we can’t. If Ba got a bad injury they would have signed someone else. We don’t have this luxury.

 

[Will Dance For Chocolate]

Would you not be concerned about Wilson's motivation if the club tried to price him out of a move back into the Premier League, and a potential England spot, while he's forced to take a 50% pay cut?

I seem to remember Defoe kicking up a fuss and trying to force a transfer out of West Ham pretty much as soon as they got relegated.

There is always that possibility but he took the largest contract the club has ever awarded in our history twelve months ago and hasn't really paid any of it back yet so the club could justifiably say 'You owe us one. We aren't stopping you from leaving but we have put a price on your head that we feel is acceptable and you can move if someone meets that. If they don't want to pay market value for you then they can't rate you that highly" Then remind him that price is 50% what was being quoted 12 months prior so it isn't like the club hasn't moved on their valuation, all things considered. Then tell him that if nobody meets it this window to get his head down and score for us until the next window and someone will likely come in. There would still be time to gatecrash the England squad then.

He might be demotivated but he has the classic example of a player downing tools for a whole season to try and protect their move to a big club in Fraser blowing up in their face to look at. So that might make him think twice before throwing a strop about it.

Worth also remembering that Man Utd tried to buy King in January. Again, we put a valuation on him and said if they met that he could go - also £30 million as it happens. Man Utd only bid £15 million and refused to go higher and so we refused to cave in and the move never happened. Some proof there for the first time in our history the club isn't afraid to walk away from a deal if their price isn't met.

I remember the Defoe thing but his was a complete lack of class and respect for the team. Handed in a transfer request the day after relegation. Not a good way to go about things.

 

[sausage]

They both did well but Chelsea can afford to write off vast sums of money whereas we can’t. If Ba got a bad injury they would have signed someone else. We don’t have this luxury.

You can say the same about any player. We avoided signing Dembele on the cheap because he apparently had issues in the medical, but he's not really had issues at Celtic/Lyon, so that's the chance you take when buying cheap.

 

[AllReb]

Ma

I feel like we’re more likely to go into the season with Kane as our only recognised striker than sign a decent striker like Wilson.

Wilson would be great business imo but we always seem to chance our arm with only Kane

Maybe Jose will insist that we do have adequate cover this season

 

[Will Dance For Chocolate]

welcome! Can you share some insight on Brooks?

It's a hard one. Had a breakthrough season at Sheff Utd but playing time cut short by glandular fever. Moved to us that summer and look incredible in his first season in the Premier League. Every bit a player that should be going to a club looking to compete in the Champions League.

Got injured and didn't play a minute until football resumed after the break and never looked fit in that spell so harsh to judge him on it.

Based on last season someone getting him for £40 million would be a bargain even though he could likely be had for less. I'm just putting a valuation on what I think he would be worth not what he would cost. I know that's high but there's a big caveat coming. He's missed most of two of the last three seasons and I'd be worried if I was a club buying him at that value. Can he complete full seasons without breaking down?

Obviously I want him to stay as I think he'll make a mockery of the Championship and I'm not sure anyone will bite at the £30 million+ it would probably take right now. There's also the advantage for us that playing in the Championship isn't the same barrier to the Wales team in the way it would be for an English player.

Of them all I think he's likely to be the one that stays. He has too many question marks against him.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You can say the same about any player. We avoided signing Dembele on the cheap because he apparently had issues in the medical, but he's not really had issues at Celtic/Lyon, so that's the chance you take when buying cheap.

You can’t, the players we’re on about are few and far between. They’re players whom have suffered serious injuries or have potentially serious underlying medical conditions eg heart defects.

Unless you’ve money to burn like City, Chelsea and Man U... you often can’t take the risk and sign these type of players.

 

[tommo84]

Cheers to @Will Dance For Chocolate for the Bournemouth pov.

On the comment of how often Wilson would play as 2nd choice behind Kane, I think lots of fans of lots of clubs haven’t yet grasped how congested the fixture list is next season - especially for teams in Europe. I’d expect any backup to Kane to start anything from 15 - 30 games across all competitions next season depending on how far we go in the Europa League and whether Kane gets his usual bad knock just after Xmas.

Some of those games will be alongside Kane but as nobody has yet demonstrated they can perform the same role as Kane for England (I reckon Ings could but yet to get the chance), having the opportunity to show you can fill his shoes at club level could be a useful way of sneaking into the squad for the Euros.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'd prefer King as well.