Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

[beats1]

Can't understand the obsession between Barcelona and dutch people. They're so ingrained to their culture of no hiring enshrined coaches.
Messi is wasting his last years in a Club who doesn't have an idea of how to win trophies; there's no more La Masia, there's no more Iniesta and Xavi. They need to spend money, as PSG and Madrid do.
They have the same team for years and that's why the others Clubs know how to play against them; and Suarez, Piqué, Busquets and Alba aren't the same players than they were five years ago. Messi has to leave, he's wasting his last years in that Club; he's the GOAT and he needs a Club at his level.

On the other hand; I would have love to see Poch managing Messi, but I think PL is better for him; and Barcelona is now a mess.

This is a silly statement, it has nothing to do with Dutch people but culture

Here look at the hirings since 2003 when Cruyff recommended Rjikaard
2003 - Rjikaard - Recommended by Cruyff based on the style of play and philosophy he showed as Netherland managers despite being relegated with Sparta months before the Barcelona job
2008 - Guardiola - Internal promotion and recommended by Cruyff due to style of play and discipline shown by Barca B
2013 - Villanova - Internal promotion, followed the philosophy of the club - resigned due to health issues
2014 - Martino - From Argentina played a more poch style/barca hybrid - sacked
2015 - Luis Enrique - Internal promotion, managed barca b and played that dutch Cruyff/Barca style like Pep, Tito and Frank
2017 - Valverde - A more pragmatic coach who changed the style of play and was criticised for not playing the Barca way
2020 - Satien - More Barcelona style of play but it didn't work and wasn't seen as part of Barca DNA despite having a decent style of play
2020 - Koeman - Goes back to Barca DNA, though not full Cruyff, trusts young players and has that philosophy of developing academy players

 

[Metalhead]

I think that a lot of people on here will be in a better place emotionally when Poch gets another job.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I think that a lot of people on here will be in a better place emotionally when Poch gets another job.

That very much depends on what job he gets!

 

[Dougal]

That very much depends on what job he gets!

The Spurs one?

 

[Metalhead]

That very much depends on what job he gets!

Ha ha true. Well I can’t think of any that are available that will cause any real anguish if he gets it.

 

[rossdapep]

still think he'll replace Ole soon

It would make sense.
However, Ole seems to have a lot of credit in the bank. United fans like him and believe he needs more depth.

If United are in and around top 4 they'll persist with him, even if they are underachieving.

The only way I see them sacking him is if they have a dreadful season, getting knocked out of all the cups and finishing out of top 4 by some distance.

The other issue is that the players really like him. So they'd also need to be a big fallout.

 

[Metalhead]

It would make sense.
However, Ole seems to have a lot of credit in the bank. United fans like him and believe he needs more depth.

If United are in and around top 4 they'll persist with him, even if they are underachieving.

The only way I see them sacking him is if they have a dreadful season, getting knocked out of all the cups and finishing out of top 4 by some distance.

The other issue is that the players really like him. So they'd also need to be a big fallout.

Whoever is manager there, it feels like they are up against it a bit with Ed Woodward there.

 

[Dougal]

Whoever is manager there, it feels like they are up against it a bit with Ed Woodward there.

Would help if they’d had experience with working with someone like, oh I don’t know, Daniel Levy?

 

[Metalhead]

Would help if they’d had experience with working with someone like, oh I don’t know, Daniel Levy?

I’m not a so-called BsoDL (but not a hater either admittedly). I’d take DL over Ed Woodward.

 

[Donki]

Would help if they’d had experience with working with someone like, oh I don’t know, Daniel Levy?

Ed is much worse, hes like Levy when he thought he knew about football, but Ed doesn't seem to learn and just wants to make money for the Glazers. United's decline under Ed is shocking and their stadium needs serious work.

 

[Marty]

Ed is much worse, hes like Levy when he thought he knew about football, but Ed doesn't seem to learn and just wants to make money for the Glazers. United's decline under Ed is shocking and their stadium needs serious work.

This is something that is highlighted surprisingly little other than the odd journalist complaining about the food in the press room. The stadium hasn't had any work done on it for 15 years, and some parts (like the Stretford End) have had no work done on them since the conversion to all-seater. It's starting to look old and outdated, in desperate need of some proper renovation but as far as I know they're not even planning to do anything.

This was a complete tangent as this is the Poch thread but it's something that people never seem to talk about when it comes to United.

 

[carmeldevil]

This is something that is highlighted surprisingly little other than the odd journalist complaining about the food in the press room. The stadium hasn't had any work done on it for 15 years, and some parts (like the Stretford End) have had no work done on them since the conversion to all-seater. It's starting to look old and outdated, in desperate need of some proper renovation but as far as I know they're not even planning to do anything.

This was a complete tangent as this is the Poch thread but it's something that people never seem to talk about when it comes to United.

Owners are still printing money.

 

[Spursmatty87]

It would make sense.
However, Ole seems to have a lot of credit in the bank. United fans like him and believe he needs more depth.

If United are in and around top 4 they'll persist with him, even if they are underachieving.

The only way I see them sacking him is if they have a dreadful season, getting knocked out of all the cups and finishing out of top 4 by some distance.

The other issue is that the players really like him. So they'd also need to be a big fallout.

Most my mates that are united fans don’t think he’s up to it. But that may just be that they don’t wanna miss the poch boat.

 

[Donki]

This is something that is highlighted surprisingly little other than the odd journalist complaining about the food in the press room. The stadium hasn't had any work done on it for 15 years, and some parts (like the Stretford End) have had no work done on them since the conversion to all-seater. It's starting to look old and outdated, in desperate need of some proper renovation but as far as I know they're not even planning to do anything.

This was a complete tangent as this is the Poch thread but it's something that people never seem to talk about when it comes to United.

That's was the small leak they had last year lol. I've been to OT many times as my friends are all United fans and while yes the atmosphere is probably the best I have heard, their trophies are impressive too of course. But Im about 6ft 4 and the seating room is terrible and indeed the food and beer was shite.

 

[he is you know!]

This is something that is highlighted surprisingly little other than the odd journalist complaining about the food in the press room. The stadium hasn't had any work done on it for 15 years, and some parts (like the Stretford End) have had no work done on them since the conversion to all-seater. It's starting to look old and outdated, in desperate need of some proper renovation but as far as I know they're not even planning to do anything.

This was a complete tangent as this is the Poch thread but it's something that people never seem to talk about when it comes to United.

Will be factored in on the return of crowds though, we will get a greater % of capacity.

 

[rossdapep]

Most my mates that are united fans don’t think he’s up to it. But that may just be that they don’t wanna miss the poch boat.

Yeah I've definitely met a few who are like that but I also know plenty who believe he should be given backing and time as they believe it's the 'United Way'.

I have to smirk when they say that though. The United way was not about having a young team playing thrilling football, it was always built on winning no matter what.

The 92 class and the team that transpired after that didn't play magnificent football, it was high tempo wing play built on a solid defence and big characters.

This current team have no big characters, Pogba may have won the WC and does have a voice but hes not the type of player to drag the team forward.

Therefore, I feel their fans are buying into this wrong idea of what it takes for them to be a success again.

I really wonder how they'd feel if Woodward hadn't have fooled Jose and let him get who he wanted, and then won the league. Would they be saying the same?

Because Fergie always did what it took and after the year 2002 or so (Quieroz era), United became a pretty boring team to watch and were known for scraping 1-0 or 2-1 wins. Fergie just wanted to win, no matter what.

 

[emiley heskey]

Yeah I've definitely met a few who are like that but I also know plenty who believe he should be given backing and time as they believe it's the 'United Way'.

I have to smirk when they say that though. The United way was not about having a young team playing thrilling football, it was always built on winning no matter what.

The 92 class and the team that transpired after that didn't play magnificent football, it was high tempo wing play built on a solid defence and big characters.

This current team have no big characters, Pogba may have won the WC and does have a voice but hes not the type of player to drag the team forward.

Therefore, I feel their fans are buying into this wrong idea of what it takes for them to be a success again.

I really wonder how they'd feel if Woodward hadn't have fooled Jose and let him get who he wanted, and then won the league. Would they be saying the same?

Because Fergie always did what it took and after the year 2002 or so (Quieroz era), United became a pretty boring team to watch and were known for scraping 1-0 or 2-1 wins. Fergie just wanted to win, no matter what.

They were pretty entertaining in 2007-08

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The 92 class and the team that transpired after that didn't play magnificent football, it was high tempo wing play built on a solid defence and big characters.

It was built largely on Paul Scholes, the Most Underrated Footballer in History.

 

['O Zio]

Most my mates that are united fans don’t think he’s up to it. But that may just be that they don’t wanna miss the poch boat.

Most of my mates are utd fans and it's fairly mixed among them. On the one hand they don't think he's really the right man to take them back to where they used to be, but at the same time after the drearyness of Moyes and Van Gaal, and the toxic atmosphere under Mourinho, a lot of fans are happy with OGS for now because everyone is just a lot less miserable. Even if the results aren't always perfect, they're having fun watching the team again. That and the fact that he's giving young players a change to show what they can do is seen as a bonus.

In short, I think the general mood is that he won't win them the title, but he's a step in the right direction so that whoever succeeds him won't have quite as much of a shit show to sort out as has happened with previous appointments.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I have to smirk when they say that though. The United way was not about having a young team playing thrilling football, it was always built on winning no matter what.

The 92 class and the team that transpired after that didn't play magnificent football, it was high tempo wing play built on a solid defence and big characters.

I agree with this first paragraph, but completely disagree with the second. Magnificent football is a highly subjective term, but that Utd side at its best, bombing forward at pace in possession and fighting like lunatics off it, was sensational to watch. Their 2nd half performance v us in the 3-5 remains the single best display of attacking football I’ve seen from any side against us, and I include Barcelona at Wembley, Bayern most recently, and any number of sad days v Arsenal in that.