Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 32

[yankspurs]

Two managers now, with a combined 5 Champions League wins between them as managers, aren’t really interested in playing Bale anymore.

The old Bale you simply couldn’t leave out, but I think it’s quite telling now that two of the most decorated managers in world football don't think he’s worth it anymore.

Yeah he’s looked good in the odd game, but on the whole he’s been massively underwhelming. He wouldn’t get into any of the top sides anymore, he wouldn’t even be on City’s bench

Yeah. I dont fault Jose for not playing Bale. To be honest, I wouldn't play him much either. By and large this season, he has looked unfit & unmotivated. Took him months to get fit enough to even start playing games. Honestly, if he was motivated to get going and play to the best of his abilities to help the team & prove everyone in Europe wrong, he’d have pushed it. No one really believed in him but Spurs fans. He’s largely proven them right. I think theres still a good player in there somewhere but I think his time in Europe is over. He should go chase the bag further in MLS.

 

[Davo99]

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He can't plan to do anything else, because it's out of his hands. He was asked a question prior to a Wales match about if the if it was a distraction that next season wasn't settled. He gave the only answer that he could. He can't plan to play for us next season because we haven't offered him that plan, until we do (or another club come in for a loan deal) he has to plan to stay at Real Madrid for one more year. It really is that simple.

Fucking hell man you’re reaching

He could have just said I don’t know where I’ll be next season, I’m contracted to Madrid so it’s up to them bla bla bla. He could have said it’s out of his hands. He didn’t, he clearly said he plans to go back to Madrid and he only intended to come here for a year to get match fitness for the Euros.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Fucking hell man you’re reaching

I ask again tell where he said he wanted to go back to Real Madrid. You made the statement not me.

 

[Davo99]

I ask again tell where he said he wanted to go back to Real Madrid. You made the statement not me.

"My plan is to go back, that's as far I have planned."

Back means to Madrid. He plans to go back to Madrid. Real Madrid. That’s where Gareth Bale plans to go next season. That’s as far as he has planned. Madrid. In Spain. Real fucking Madrid.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

"My plan is to go back, that's as far I have planned."

Back means to Madrid. He plans to go back to Madrid. Real Madrid. That’s where Gareth Bale plans to go next season. That’s as far as he has planned. Madrid. In Spain. Real fucking Madrid.

Again where does he say he wants to go back to Madrid? Has he ever said either way? I want you to give me/us the definitive quote that he wants to go back to Madrid or doesn't want to stay here. You specifically made that statement.

 

[Davo99]

Why didn’t he just say he is not looking beyond this season or the Euros? He specifically said he plans to go back to Madrid. You’re just a troll, but you have Bale as your avatar so I don’t want to upset you as much as I can’t be arsed with this pointless back and forth.

 

[fortworthspur]

"My plan is to go back, that's as far I have planned."

Back means to Madrid. He plans to go back to Madrid. Real Madrid. That’s where Gareth Bale plans to go next season. That’s as far as he has planned. Madrid. In Spain. Real fucking Madrid.

he's issued a clarification since then:

“Obviously, going into next season, legally my contract says I have to go back to Real Madrid, which is what I stated, which I don’t think is being disrespectful to anybody. That’s legally what I have to do. Real Madrid are I guess my parent club and as far as I agreed I was on Tottenham on loan until the end of the season and I go back. That’s the plan so far,” he said.

Knowing that Real Madrid will almost surely want to part ways with him, Bale knows that he will likely have to consider different options in the summer.

“I think the plan is to go back and then whether then I sit down with my agent is something we’ll do in the summer. So for me in the summer at the moment I don’t need to worry about anything else apart from his season and regarding next season, after the Euros and my summer holiday, we’ll sit down and we’ll go through something then and hopefully we’ll come up with a solution,” he concluded.

 

[fortworthspur]

I think Bale wants to make 600K a week next year. Probably doesnt really care much where.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

he's issued a clarification since then:

“Obviously, going into next season, legally my contract says I have to go back to Real Madrid, which is what I stated, which I don’t think is being disrespectful to anybody. That’s legally what I have to do. Real Madrid are I guess my parent club and as far as I agreed I was on Tottenham on loan until the end of the season and I go back. That’s the plan so far,” he said.

Knowing that Real Madrid will almost surely want to part ways with him, Bale knows that he will likely have to consider different options in the summer.

“I think the plan is to go back and then whether then I sit down with my agent is something we’ll do in the summer. So for me in the summer at the moment I don’t need to worry about anything else apart from his season and regarding next season, after the Euros and my summer holiday, we’ll sit down and we’ll go through something then and hopefully we’ll come up with a solution,” he concluded.

Thank you it's not too difficult to understand.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Why didn’t he just say he is not looking beyond this season or the Euros? He specifically said he plans to go back to Madrid. You’re just a troll, but you have Bale as your avatar so I don’t want to upset you as much as I can’t be arsed with this pointless back and forth.

Dear oh dear. You can't upset me. But you can't back up what you spout. Do you know who asked him the question and what context it was asked about?

 

[spud]

We have literally become the new Arsenal and all those literally obsessed with sacking Mourinho are just like those who hounded out Wenger.

The guy who was managing this group of players but was expected to win all the time;

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What did they do? Sack him, brought in two shiny new managers, bought loads more shit players and ended up worse.

It’s almost as if the players you have in the team affect the performances more than the manager.

Wenger was the manager when all of those players arrived at the club or were brought through the youth system. He was expected to win with them because he had judged them to be good enough to represent the club.

Which players have arrived at Spurs since Mourinho? I'll tell you. Bergwijn, Reguilon, Doherty, Hojbjerg, Rodon, Fernandes, Vinicius, Bale and Hart. Three were playing in that shit-show today and two of them were completely fucking useless. Of the others one, Doherty, was unfit but Mourinho hasn't been playing him when he has been. He doesn't trust Bale or Vinicius and Fernandes was such a fucking success he's gone back to Benfica.

So can he be held culpable if the players he was playing weren't signed by him? Yes. If he thinks that the players he signed aren't as good as the ones that he inherited, why the fuck did he bring them in? Plus the ones that he inherited - with the notable exception of Kane - are playing worse now than before he arrived.

So what should we do? Should we give him another year or two to bring in more players who aren't as good as those who are already here? Or should we get rid before his poison becomes terminal and the mean average of talent in the squad drops further; either because of poor signings or because our better players leave?

You choose.

 

[spud]

Why didn’t he just say he is not looking beyond this season or the Euros? He specifically said he plans to go back to Madrid. You’re just a troll, but you have Bale as your avatar so I don’t want to upset you as much as I can’t be arsed with this pointless back and forth.

He specifically said that he plans to go back to Madrid because, unless something alters the fact, he is contractually obliged to do so. He didn't say that he wants to go back to Madrid, which is a different thing and a point that you seem unable to recognise even when it is pointed out to you.

He may want to go back to Madrid and he may not. We don't know. We only know that he plans to.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

He specifically said that he plans to go back to Madrid because, unless something alters the fact, he is contractually obliged to do so. He didn't say that he wants to go back to Madrid, which is a different thing and a point that you seem unable to recognise even when it is pointed out to you.

He may want to go back to Madrid and he may not. We don't know. We only know that he plans to.

Thank you.

 

[yankspurs]

I think Bale wants to make 600K a week next year. Probably doesnt really care much where.

Yep. Dont blame him one bit. I’d wanna do that too.

 

[fortworthspur]

Yep. Dont blame him one bit. I’d wanna do that too.

yeah, its not his fault Madrid gave him that contract. Gotta say Im a little disappointed in him, though. More often than not he phones it in. I cant help but feel he's not meeting his obligations after being awarded such a generous contract. I thought at the time Madrid treated him poorly but I now understand their frustration.

 

[Davo99]

Wenger was the manager when all of those players arrived at the club or were brought through the youth system. He was expected to win with them because he had judged them to be good enough to represent the club.

Which players have arrived at Spurs since Mourinho? I'll tell you. Bergwijn, Reguilon, Doherty, Hojbjerg, Rodon, Fernandes, Vinicius, Bale and Hart. Three were playing in that shit-show today and two of them were completely fucking useless. Of the others one, Doherty, was unfit but Mourinho hasn't been playing him when he has been. He doesn't trust Bale or Vinicius and Fernandes was such a fucking success he's gone back to Benfica.

So can he be held culpable if the players he was playing weren't signed by him? Yes. If he thinks that the players he signed aren't as good as the ones that he inherited, why the fuck did he bring them in? Plus the ones that he inherited - with the notable exception of Kane - are playing worse now than before he arrived.

So what should we do? Should we give him another year or two to bring in more players who aren't as good as those who are already here? Or should we get rid before his poison becomes terminal and the mean average of talent in the squad drops further; either because of poor signings or because our better players leave?

You choose.

So you’ve already decided the players he will bring in are not going to be as good as we have?

The reason you’ve decided this becomes apparent in your next sentence. You think he’s poison. I personally think your Pogbas, your Dele’s are the poison.

From what we have been told, Kane and Son etc our better players are all behind him. So I don’t think it will be Jose who makes our top players want out, it will be more down to failure because they share the field with a bag of shit. I’d imagine Harry Kane has a lot more respect for a Mourinho and his career than a Moussa Sissoko.

The problem I think our fans have is they make it personal with Jose. I’d imagine a large portion didn’t want him here in the first place.

Of his buys, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Rodon, Vinicius and Hart were all good signings. Hart is a back up goalie. Hojbjerg has been one of our best players. Bale has flopped but was obviously worth the gamble. Reguilon and Rodon are good signings. Vinicius has done exactly what was required for such little outlay. Doherty and Bergwijn I agree have been very poor. Gedson was a loan that cost us nothing and has since been terminated. He’s actually playing in Turkey now. He was merely a squad option anyway.

I don’t think he’s bought particularly bad at all, but then I don’t have a personal vendetta against him. I’d definitely give him a couple more windows and rid him and the squad of all the dross. It’s only fair - providing you’re willing to give a manager a fair crack. Why get Mourinho in on top whack if you’re not going to do that at least?

 

[Davo99]

He specifically said that he plans to go back to Madrid because, unless something alters the fact, he is contractually obliged to do so. He didn't say that he wants to go back to Madrid, which is a different thing and a point that you seem unable to recognise even when it is pointed out to you.

He may want to go back to Madrid and he may not. We don't know. We only know that he plans to.

I did recognise I said ‘want’ instead of ‘plan’ (as if you don’t plan for what you want ). Why is everyone being so fucking pedantic to win a pathetic pointless argument? What he did say, clearly, was he was only planning on spending a year here, then? He hasn’t said once he plans on staying here beyond this season, has he? Can we afford him? Do we even want him after this season? I’d imagine it’s a big fat no to both. It’s clear what Bale ‘wants’. Money - regardless of any ‘plan’. Imagine us offering Bale a mega contract. I’d be gutted with what would be a complete waste of money.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Just for those who don't remember....this is the Wales interview.

Gareth Bale: Tottenham forward says he plans to return to Real Madrid at end of season

Wales captain Gareth Bale joined Tottenham on loan in September and has scored 10 goals in 25 appearances in all competitions; the 31-year-olds Real Madrid contract runs until the end of the 2021/22 season: Bale: My plan is to go back, thats as far I have planned.

www.skysports.com

 

[Davo99]

Dear oh dear. You can't upset me. But you can't back up what you spout. Do you know who asked him the question and what context it was asked about?

Back up what I spout? Jesus Christ, sorry to break your precious little heart but Bale has been a grotesque waste of money. It’s a shame, we all wanted the old Bale to return but we are just as well shot of him at the end of the season as Madrid would be.

In no way is he worth upwards of 500k a week. No fucking way. Probably a major factor in him ***PLANNING*** on returning to Madrid next year. He sounds like he already knows he won’t be here, anyway.

 

[Davo99]

@Archibald&Crooks you think Bale is worth 600k a week? Do you think it will be financially prudent for us to sign him permanently?