How long do you give the manager?

[Norwegian Spurs fan]

As long as it takes!

 

[SpurSince57]

It depends, if he finishes below 6th two seasons running and we don't win a cup or at least have a very good cup run, then it's not better than Sherwood. If he wins something or gets close to winning but we finish below 6th then I would say give him more time. I think he has a hard job but if he can unlock the potential from some of the players we have like Lamela and Soldado we should finish 6th and maybe even do better.

If he can't do substantially better than Sherwood he's gone.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I'm opposed to sacking managers on principle. Unless we're in the relegation zone or the entire squad is rebelling, we shouldn't sack the manager. Ever.

We have a stadium to build. We had a good tilt at the CL under a player-inspiring manager who welded a decent squad, given a cutting edge by 2-3 really top-class players, into an exciting side that competed with the best and was really good to watch. Those times are gone now, for the time being. As long as we are in our current stadium, with our wage budget set by a 36k capacity, it would be a fluke if they return.

Until the stadium is finished and we can start reaping the benefits of the increased revenues (mainly higher wages), Pochettino's job is to keep us competitive (top 7 every year) and build up a really deep, high-quality input into the first team from our academy.

We might squeak our way into the CL again or we might not. The whole league is far more competitive than it was 7-8 years ago, with 7-8 clubs all realistically vying for a place at the top. The next few seasons don't matter, in the long run. What matters is getting the stadium built.

But sacking the manager every 2 years is always a bad idea, unless the players hate him or the club is in danger of relegation.

 

[thinktank]

1000 years.

 

[indianspurs]

1000 years.

thinktank and Pochettino, still a better love story than twilight

 

[nssmuckers]

If he gets us playing hot sexual chocolate football I have all the time in the world for him, unless we're sitting in the bottom half or starts throwing the team under the bus in the name of contract talks or some shit like that.

 

[ShaunL84]

With Conte currently a free agent, I will watch Saturday's friendly against Seattle closely.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

So if we finish twelth this year and it's liking like that again the next season (having lost Lloris, Eriksen, lamela and Vertonghen) you'd STILL keep him?

I just don't understand this Paul Merson-esque mentality. He's retarded.[/quote

It will come down to progression in other areas of the club. How the team performs and how the team develops. League standings over the next few seasons should not be top priority. Of course they are important but a bigger picture is needed here.

Look at last season. Even though we finished 6th, we were terrible for most of the year. There was not plan at all. Players showed poor mentality and the head coaches were both out of their depth. Hardly any of our players progressed. I would have rather finished slightly lower but have a team and squad being built from top to bottom.

Time for a reality check we are not finishing top 4 this year, we probably won't for a while now. We don't have the squad and we don't have the funds. Well we do but our owners won't spend the money.

We are building a squad for the future, and hopefully when the stadium is built in the next 5 years, we will be in a solid position league wise and then we can hopefully up our wage structure.

 

[Mullers]

If he can't do substantially better than Sherwood he's gone.

Would 5th place count as substantially better, even if the points he collected was less than Sherwood?

 

[Mullers]

I'm opposed to sacking managers on principle. Unless we're in the relegation zone or the entire squad is rebelling, we shouldn't sack the manager. Ever.

We have a stadium to build. We had a good tilt at the CL under a player-inspiring manager who welded a decent squad, given a cutting edge by 2-3 really top-class players, into an exciting side that competed with the best and was really good to watch. Those times are gone now, for the time being. As long as we are in our current stadium, with our wage budget set by a 36k capacity, it would a fluke if they return.

Until the stadium is finished and we can start reaping the benefits of the increased revenues (mainly higher wages), Pochettino's job is to keep us competitive (top 7 every year) and build up a really deep, high-quality input into the first team from our academy.

We might squeak our way into the CL again or we might not. The whole league is far more competitive than it was 7-8 years ago, with 7-8 clubs all realistically vying for a place at the top. The next few seasons don't matter, in the long run. What matters is getting the stadium built.

But sacking the manager every 2 years is always a bad idea, unless the players hate him or the club is in danger of relegation.

If you're opposed to sacking the manager then surely it in those situations that you describe that he needs to backed and not deserted?

 

[fedupyid]

Pochettino will last at least two years because he did not replace Harry Redknapp so the press will not hound him. At the end of the day as long as we meaning the fans and Levy give him the support he needs then he should be able to do the job that he is asked to do.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Rubbish.
We'd absolutely have gone down if Ramos had stayed. No shadow of a doubt.
Teams such as west ham and Newcastle have gone with mid table squads.

Ramos what???I dont see relevence of Barcodes & Spammers mid table squads either. So you envisage 17 of the premiership teams finishing higher? Beacause I'd be dissappointed if we finished 11th,...and thats without a manager.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

The footballing landscape has changed beyond recognition since as recently as the 1990's.
The ideal of appointing a manager of a club of at least our size, and standing by him for a defined period of time simply cannot happen anymore. Too many things have changed in football for that to be allowed to happen.
1) Player power. Bad manager = player exits.
2) Compensation - Failing useless managers simply will not be big enough to resign anymore, they want their compensation package.
3) Media baying for blood on a weekly basis.
4)Stakeholders interests
5)Marketing
6)Television money

I'm sure other people could put another 20 reasons that sticking by an inept manager would be catastrophic for a club even of our stature.

You should only stick with them if they are giving reasons to do so. As soon as you start to find reasons to part company there's a problem.

Of course the reasons are sound that you give for managers not getting time. But time is needed in the first instance of finding a reason to keep him. A direction is slowly achieved (unfortunately). Some of me thinks it's fashionable....there's not really a great reason why we've had so many over the past decade.

 

[Kendall]

Fortunately for Poch, pretty much every Spurs fan was disappointed with our showing last season, so initially, he shouldn't have too many problems improving the performances. We're unlikely to lose our best players and the players that joined us last year are hopefully going to be more up to speed.

His second season, like AVB's will be more telling. Go backwards, and he'll find himself up against it.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Ramos what???I dont see relevence of Barcodes & Spammers mid table squads either. So you envisage 17 of the premiership teams finishing higher? Beacause I'd be dissappointed if we finished 11th,...and thats without a manager.

Just because you don't understand the relevance doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[Mullers]

If you're opposed to sacking the manager then surely it in those situations that you describe that he needs to backed and not deserted?

I guess that's a no then!

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Just because you don't understand the relevance doesn't mean there isn't one.

What's the point then?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

What's the point then?

The point is, no matter whether your squad is better than at least 3 others in the league, a terrible manager, such as Glenn Roeder or Joe Kinear can take it down.

If Pochettino turns into such a terrible manager and alienates the squad, breeds disharmony, drops important players and fecks up tactics, we, and indeed better squads can go down.

So just saying he has to be given time regardless as to any evidence is utterly moronic.
He has to maintain a level from early on that proves he's up to the task.

 

[eddiebailey]

I'm opposed to sacking managers on principle. Unless we're in the relegation zone or the entire squad is rebelling, we shouldn't sack the manager. Ever.

We have a stadium to build. We had a good tilt at the CL under a player-inspiring manager who welded a decent squad, given a cutting edge by 2-3 really top-class players, into an exciting side that competed with the best and was really good to watch. Those times are gone now, for the time being. As long as we are in our current stadium, with our wage budget set by a 36k capacity, it would a fluke if they return.

Until the stadium is finished and we can start reaping the benefits of the increased revenues (mainly higher wages), Pochettino's job is to keep us competitive (top 7 every year) and build up a really deep, high-quality input into the first team from our academy.

We might squeak our way into the CL again or we might not. The whole league is far more competitive than it was 7-8 years ago, with 7-8 clubs all realistically vying for a place at the top. The next few seasons don't matter, in the long run. What matters is getting the stadium built.


But sacking the manager every 2 years is always a bad idea, unless the players hate him or the club is in danger of relegation.

On the whole I would agree with that, but if I do not have the expectation of winning anything, I would at least like to be entertained, or at least for there to be an attempt to entertain me. It is also important that the manager is signed up to the club's vision of sustainability based on producing home grown players.

A manager who show no signs of delivering against those objectives should go, because at the moment these, for the reasons you give, have to be our realistic criteria for success.

 

[mendesstormer]

I'd give him another week at least to sort out this mess. Apparently he hasn't won a single game yet. Poch out.