How long do you give the manager?

[tototoner]

Sir Alex was pretty average for his first 3 seasons...sometimes persistence and patience wins

different time though, like comparing apples and oranges

in this 24-7 news, twitter, internet age cannot see something like that happening again

 

[Shadydan]

I've always said that he has an easy act to follow because last season couldn't be any more of a shambles, I think the key season will be next season because he will need to push on from what he's achieved this season.

However he'll win the crowd over if he manages to get us playing good, expansive, attacking football and he doesn't prove to be stubborn.

 

[luptic]

2 Seasons at least, but they need to be showing signs of progression. But the club need to back their man, not undermine them.

 

[yido_number1]

Question is what are we looking for him to achieve? If we are playing great football and getting into semi's/finals and finsih 5th 4th 5th I would be happy with that. Until we can compete financially what more do you expect vs the spending power of City, UTD, Chav's and even the Arse.?

 

[SteveH]

For me the period until the new stadium opens could be quite choppy off the field this might spill over to the squad. I think it is very important to keep the coach through this period. We might well see us drift into mid table during this period but I would still not change the coach.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Question is what are we looking for him to achieve? If we are playing great football and getting into semi's/finals and finsih 5th 4th 5th I would be happy with that. Until we can compete financially what more do you expect vs the spending power of City, UTD, Chav's and even the Arse.?

This is how it works.

We expect our managers to play swashbuckling football and to finish at least 4th. At least. Failure leads to a clamour for his dismissal on SC and for all I know, other places too.

Levy gets criticised and we're punching above our weight and we shouldn't expect to finish higher than 5th and he's doing well to have put us where we are.

Yeah, I know

One of the BSoDL will be along shortly to refute this and serve up a side order of twisted bullshit.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

If we get top four Pochettino should be knighted, basically we will finish in 6th because we are simply not as good (nowehere near) as Ars/City/Chelsea/Utd/Liverpool

We are better 'on paper' than Everton so 6th it is, possibly 7th..... All I care about is entertaining football and a real crack at the cups this year, they should be our priority. Pochettino should only go if we are playing abysmal football (like AVB) or we are in danger of finishing outside the top 10.

 

[Styopa]

Broadly speaking:

3/4 years if we are playing exciting, attacking, progressive football and finishing around 4th (not necessarily making it).

And on the flip: 2 years max if we are playing slow, pragmatic, dogmatic football and finishing outside the top 4.

However, anything outside the top 6 or 7 would have to be looked at especially second season onwards. As things stand, we certainly have the potential to be competitive with Liverpool and Arsenal and we still should be finishing above practically everyone other than Man C, Chelsea, Man U Arsenal and Liverpool.

 

[Spurslove]

Personally, I'd be prepared to give the new manager a couple of seasons. By that time, we'd all have a pretty good idea of where we were going. Having said that, I supported AVB from the off, but by the time he got sacked (after a year and a half) following that utter shambles at home to Liverpool, I couldn't wait to see the back of him, and Tim was always going to be nothing more than a stop-gap.

I have high hopes for Pochettiono. I liked the way Southampton played last season, and for me, that's the only pointer we have as to what's going to happen for us this season. I love the idea of us being more of an aggressive unit (not so much physically, but mentally) and pressurising the opposition just like they've been pressurising us for the past few seasons.

More pace, more physicality. More ruthlessness up front and much greater resolve in central defence.

I mean, what can possibly go wrong?

 

[StartingPrice]

I never quite get these questions. As someone else said, earlier in the season, our problem isn't sacking managers/head coach too soon (Mr Redknapp had nearly four full seasons in charge, and lost his job for a whole host of reasons not necessarily related to where we finished that season). Our problem is hiring the wrong manager/head coach in the first place!

Mr Redknapp seems to have been the right manager at the time, much to my personal surprise - hence he wasn't gone in a season and half. AVB seemed to be the right head coach at the time, but stagnated into nothingness, again much to my surprise. And where I wasn't one of the rabid dogs frothing at the mouth for his dismissal after 5 minutes of the season because the football wasn't exciting, I had totally lost the will to defend him after the Liverpool result.

So, if Poch is the right fella give him decades, if he ain't the right fella get shot as soon as we realise it! When would that be...who knows?

 

[Davids_5]

Has he not been sacked yet...?

No, 2-3 years, longer if he loses an Eriksen/Lloris to a 'big' club and we have some disruption.

 

[Outnumbered]

And if we go down in the first?

Hit the panic button

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Hit the panic button

Is the manager the panic button? Do we hit him if he takes us down?

 

[hellava_tough]

I never quite get these questions. As someone else said, earlier in the season, our problem isn't sacking managers/head coach too soon (Mr Redknapp had nearly four full seasons in charge, and lost his job for a whole host of reasons not necessarily related to where we finished that season). Our problem is hiring the wrong manager/head coach in the first place!

Mr Redknapp seems to have been the right manager at the time, much to my personal surprise - hence he wasn't gone in a season and half. AVB seemed to be the right head coach at the time, but stagnated into nothingness, again much to my surprise. And where I wasn't one of the rabid dogs frothing at the mouth for his dismissal after 5 minutes of the season because the football wasn't exciting, I had totally lost the will to defend him after the Liverpool result.

So, if Poch is the right fella give him decades, if he ain't the right fella get shot as soon as we realise it! When would that be...who knows?

Will the sentiments in this thread reconcile themselves with the sentiments in a future thread, calling for Poch to be sacked? That's what I'll find interesting if it does go tits up in 18 month's time.

What I also find interesting is people's attitudes and ideas towards the modern football manager, and his role at a club.
You make some good points SP, which revolve around this idea; namely is he "the right man" for the particular job at hand?

To answer that question, we need to assess the problems the club is currently facing, the solutions to these problems and then create a list of goals and expectations for the current manager.

It's easier to do this when we're all calm and level-headed at the start of a season.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

There's also the fact there isn't necessarily the right man for every situation.

A Tony Pulis for example is brilliant at getting relegation fodder and making them established mid table clubs.
Same as Mark Hughes. Sam Allardyce.

But put them in charge of a top 6 team with high profile players and, more importantly, champions league aspirations, they'll come unstuck.
Similarly, put a Redknapp in there and he will elevate a team to champions league status. But task him with going for a title and then he's run out of ideas.

Likewise, if you're a Crystal Palace fan, bottom of the league and you can choose between Tony Pulis or Alex Ferguson to be your next manager, you may well find picking Sir Alex was a dreadful mistake. He's only ever been in charge of already decent clubs. He could be fucking awful at a bottom of the table club.

 

[hellava_tough]

There's also the fact there isn't necessarily the right man for every situation.

A Tony Pulis for example is brilliant at getting relegation fodder and making them established mid table clubs.
Same as Mark Hughes. Sam Allardyce.

But put them in charge of a top 6 team with high profile players and, more importantly, champions league aspirations, they'll come unstuck.
Similarly, put a Redknapp in there and he will elevate a team to champions league status. But task him with going for a title and then he's run out of ideas.

Likewise, if you're a Crystal Palace fan, bottom of the league and you can choose between Tony Pulis or Alex Ferguson to be your next manager, you may well find picking Sir Alex was a dreadful mistake. He's only ever been in charge of already decent clubs. He could be fucking awful at a bottom of the table club.

I think this is what SP was saying (above)

 

[ItsBoris]

It's not a matter of time it's a matter of progress. We have to see improvement. And of course we have to allow a certain amount of time for that improvement to manifest itself. But it's not two years and then you're out, it's show improvement and progress toward an attainable goal and you stay in.

 

[Azazello]

I read in another thread that we lost 10-0 to Southend and that the training ground blew up, so Pochettino out.

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

I hope Levy gives him at least two full seasons. Unless we look like we are getting relegated like with Ramos then IMO we should keep him for at least three seasons.

The key with Pocho will be if he can get us playing some good football. That is always a good way for winning us fans over.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I hope Levy gives him at least two full seasons. Unless we look like we are getting relegated like with Ramos then IMO we should keep him for at least three seasons.

The key with Pocho will be if he can get us playing some good football. That is always a good way for winning us fans over.

So if we finish twelth this year and it's liking like that again the next season (having lost Lloris, Eriksen, lamela and Vertonghen) you'd STILL keep him?

I just don't understand this Paul Merson-esque mentality. He's retarded.