If you booed on Saturday

[rez9000]

how else are we/i supposed to let avb know his ''sub merry go round'' cost us the game or that jenas should be nowhere near the squad (loan tf out). offer a little prayer perhaps?

And how does he know specifically which of the hundreds of decisions he has to make in a match to ascribe your disapproval to? And how much weight is he likely to give your opinion? What qualifies you to tell him how to do the job that at ghis level is salaried at many thousands of pounds? At what point have you gained the experience or knowledge that he has?

I don't mean to lay into you, James, and I'm genuinely sorrty for having to put it this way, but what you say is foolish.

hopefully he will analyse to see if maybe his subs did indeed affect the game in a negative way ,

Do you believe that he doesn't do that? Do you think that he gets into the manager's room, puts his tie away and thinks 'job done'. Not only does no manager do that, AVB in particular has a reputation for picking apart the tiniest aspects of games and for being almost obsessively meticulous in his planning and reviewing. That's why he was put on Barcelona's observation team at the age of 16. What were you doing when you were 16? I was busy squeezing my face and wondering how to get into Nikki Moss's knickers.

and ask one of his henchmen to make a dossier on jenas' spurs history, after all he should be more than a little intrigued as to why a player as well spoken as jj should get booed coming on.

And again, perhaps he has seen soemthing in Jenas that he thinks could bring something to Spurs. What many Spurs fans seem unable to grasp is that he also needs time to find out the best way of managing his side.

I cannot understand how some fans seem to think that they know more about football than professional coaches. Have we all done the coaching badges? Have we managed top level teams? Until we have, none of us have the experience to "inform" a coach what we think. And yet we're so arrogant as to say that we know better than a man who makes his living from football management??? Can no one see the idiocy in that stance.

Since when does a forklift driver tell a surgeon how to do her job? Or an accountant tell a plasterer how to do his? And yet, jacks of all trades turn into experts when it comes to telling a professional football manager how to do his job!

 

[RickyVilla]

The next time I hear someone boo at a game I am going to launch my Jelly Babies at them and hope it's kendall or jamesc0le.

 

[TheGreenLily]

I'm with you on the keyboard warrior stuff. There is a filter that descends when we're behind the safety of our monitors.

However, the argument that just because you pay money to watch football you have the right to shout what you want is specious. I'll give you a hypothetical:

Do I have the right to purchase a long black hooded cloak? Yes I do.

Do I have the right to purchase a fake scythe? Yes I do.

Because I have spent that money, does that mean that I have the right to put on the cloak, grip the scythe and stand outside an old-age people's home? In the purely legal sense, yes I do.

Do I do it? If I've paid my money for the cloak and the scythe, do I choose to dance around in front of old-people wearing the cloak and waving the scythe?

Why not? I've paid my money. I can do what I want, right?

There is a difference between being able and being willing. Yes, you're able and "allowed" to boo, but you should have the wherewithal, gumption and good sense to understand why you shouldn't.

Two words -

Common curtsey

 

[HappySpur]

I had no idea people had booed. That's very sad. I thought we were better than this.

 

[Mattspur]

how else are we/i supposed to let avb know his ''sub merry go round'' cost us the game or that jenas should be nowhere near the squad (loan tf out). offer a little prayer perhaps?

hopefully he will analyse to see if maybe his subs did indeed affect the game in a negative way , and ask one of his henchmen to make a dossier on jenas' spurs history, after all he should be more than a little intrigued as to why a player as well spoken as jj should get booed coming on.

Words fail me...

 

[Maske2g]

I would never boo, unless we got relegated......

However, people can do as they please. The performance and effort in the second half just wasn't very good, and it's not new, its a continuation of the last 6 months.

I didn't realise we had so many wafer thin skinned fans. I bet it's the same mob that took their balls home from the park as a kid..... Milk monitors....

 

[camaj]

Booing if we got relegated wouldn't achieve anything. It's a bit late for booing at that point.

Sorry, camaj, but how won't it be counter-productive? Footballer's ears don't switch off at the end of the game.

No but if you're going to send a message it's best at the end of the game, it can't effect them then and hopefully it'll spur them in training during the week. I don't think there's any company that refuses to voice their concerns to employees who haven't lived up to expectations and I think most of us wouldn't begrudge our bosses having a slight moan if it was justified. Why should footballers be different?

 

[Mattspur]

Booing if we got relegated wouldn't achieve anything. It's a bit late for booing at that point.



No but if you're going to send a message it's best at the end of the game, it can't effect them then and hopefully it'll spur them in training during the week. I don't think there's any company that refuses to voice their concerns to employees who haven't lived up to expectations and I think most of us wouldn't begrudge our bosses having a slight moan if it was justified. Why should footballers be different?

We're not their boss.

 

[Bobbins]

I would never boo, unless we got relegated......

However, people can do as they please. The performance and effort in the second half just wasn't very good, and it's not new, its a continuation of the last 6 months.

I didn't realise we had so many wafer thin skinned fans. I bet it's the same mob that took their balls home from the park as a kid..... Milk monitors....

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Do you mean you didn't realise we had so many fans who aren't bone-headed ****s?

 

[parklane1]

I would never boo, unless we got relegated......

However, people can do as they please. The performance and effort in the second half just wasn't very good, and it's not new, its a continuation of the last 6 months.

I didn't realise we had so many wafer thin skinned fans. I bet it's the same mob that took their balls home from the park as a kid..... Milk monitors....

So what is the excuse for the dickheads who booed Jenas when he came on the field?

 

[rez9000]

Booing if we got relegated wouldn't achieve anything. It's a bit late for booing at that point.

No but if you're going to send a message it's best at the end of the game, it can't effect them then and hopefully it'll spur them in training during the week. I don't think there's any company that refuses to voice their concerns to employees who haven't lived up to expectations and I think most of us wouldn't begrudge our bosses having a slight moan if it was justified. Why should footballers be different?

I'm literally gobsmacked that people still believe, in the face of utterly overwhelming evidence, that a behavioural punishment such as booing can have a positive effect on anyone.

This is excuse-making for people who are trying to defend what they know to be wrong.

It's been proven time and again. B.F. Skinner was a famous American psychologist and behaviourist and he demonstrated that the effect of punishment is far less effective than positive reinforcement, is temporary and introduces undesirable side-effects.

So, are people really going to insist that they should continue in this absurd behaviour if it's been proven to be:

a) Ineffective;
b) Temporary; and
c) Damaging?

And what of the effect on our reputation? Do you think that rival fans in this age of immediate media, don't know when we do it? And do you think that when they find out that they say, "Yeah, fair play. I like those Spurs fans. They really know how to get behind their players. They send really helpful messages.".

NO!

They're sat there, taking the utter piss out of us for booing our own players. Didn't we take the complete piss out of the Arse when their fans booed them off the pitch at Old Trafford after they were spanked by United last season? Of course we did. And believe me the irony of them booing their own players is totally lost on them.

There is no argument, not one, that can justify booing.

You pay your money so you can do what you want - This is covered earlier.

They need to be told - I've answered that in this post.

Making excuses for booing is simply people trying to justify doing something they know to be wrong.

Any other arguments?

 

[Maske2g]

So what is the excuse for the dickheads who booed Jenas when he came on the field?

In any crowd of 36000 there are going to be many clinically retarded right?

 

[parklane1]

In any crowd of 36000 there are going to be many clinically retarded right?

Indeed, dickheads that boo their own players.