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[Timberwolf]

By that logic there are only about six managers in the world who are good enough for us. Good luck with that.

How will any manager prove themselves at the top level if they aren't given a chance?

Think it depends where we are as a club.

If we're languishing in 7th place and are rejected by a slew of top managers then it makes sense to punt on a talented up-and-coming manager like Poch, Gerrard, Potter, etc.

If we're consistently finishing top 4, have a competitive team and are competing for silverware, it's natural to aim higher and go for a proven world class manager if we can.

Going for Gerrard or his equivalent post-Jose would've probably been greeted positively by fans last summer. Going for Gerrard post-Conte would be seen as a disaster as it would be a big risk from a position of strength.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Okay I've just listened to a clip on Sky where kaveh Solhekol explains the United situation and I now understand why you've both said what you said above...... The Glazers bought them for 600 Million which they took out a loan for....but what I didn't know is they still owe that 600 million as a club all these years later... that is absolutely crazy.

It was a leveraged buyout so they put little to nothing down put all the debt on the club and only pay the interest, What they've paid in interest would have covered the entire purchase of the club years ago. With interest rates going up even higher yearly payments now. LBO's were very popular among Americans, Black Stone Capital/Black Rock all began with LBO's.

I think they paid something like £500M in interest payments between 2010-20

 

[Marty]

Think it depends where we are as a club.

If we're languishing in 7th place and are rejected by a slew of top managers then it makes sense to punt on a talented up-and-coming manager like Poch, Gerrard, Potter, etc.

If we're consistently finishing top 4, have a competitive team and are competing for silverware, it's natural to aim higher and go for a proven world class manager if we can.

Going for Gerrard or his equivalent post-Jose would've probably been greeted positively by fans last summer. Going for Gerrard post-Conte would be seen as a disaster as it would be a big risk from a position of strength.

In an ideal world where we can pick and choose managers, sure. But how many managers would you call world class that are currently in work?

Pep, Klopp, Conte, Flick, Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Ancelotti? Gautier? Any more?

There's a very strong chance that none of those are available the day Conte leaves us, whenever that may be and whatever position the club is in when that happens. The likelihood is we will always have to look at the up and coming market. Dismissing those managers out of hand as the poster I replied to did is just not realistic.

 

[Trix]

Okay I've just listened to a clip on Sky where kaveh Solhekol explains the United situation and I now understand why you've both said what you said above...... The Glazers bought them for 600 Million which they took out a loan for....but what I didn't know is they still owe that 600 million as a club all these years later... that is absolutely crazy.

Yeah basically they've maxed out their credit card and are just making the minimum payment so as to stop the bailiff's coming round. At the same time they are filtering whatever other profits the club makes straight into their own back pocket. It was actually a brilliant no risk business strategy by the Glazers, who will just sell the debt on as part of the club if they ever sell up.

 

[tommo84]

This aged welll....

I think this attitude from people associated with Utd - fans, ex-players, and the Boardroom - is a major factor in their ongoing struggles and why, if anything, they seem to be going backwards. We’re seeing with De Jong that they no longer have the pulling power they once did. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still appealing, but they used to be a club that young footballers across Europe dreamed of playing for. They’re not now.

So they should be shifting their transfer strategy but they don’t seem equipped to do that because their fans still demand huge name signings, and as a club their strategy has long involved shopping from other Champions League teams. So now they find themselves a bit lost in the transfer market - shopping for names rather than talent that fits what the squad is missing, as they simply don’t know how to find the latter amongst the sort of players for whom ‘Europa League Man Utd’ is still a step up.

Long may it continue.

 

[Timberwolf]

I think this attitude from people associated with Utd - fans, ex-players, and the Boardroom - is a major factor in their ongoing struggles and why, if anything, they seem to be going backwards. We’re seeing with De Jong that they no longer have the pulling power they once did. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still appealing, but they used to be a club that young footballers across Europe dreamed of playing for. They’re not now.

So they should be shifting their transfer strategy but they don’t seem equipped to do that because their fans still demand huge name signings, and as a club their strategy has long involved shopping from other Champions League teams. So now they find themselves a bit lost in the transfer market - shopping for names rather than talent that fits what the squad is missing, as they simply don’t know how to find the latter amongst the sort of players for whom ‘Europa League Man Utd’ is still a step up.

Long may it continue.

There was a piece in the Athletic that detailed their collapse post-Fergie. Very eye-opening.

In short, almost everything behind the scenes at the club is dated. The hierarchy, the traditions, the facilities, the ethos...none of it is befitting a club of their stature in the 21st century. Think a lot of managers who came in like Jose, Van Gaal, etc were stunned at how things were done at United having worked at dynamic, modern clubs that have moved with the times.

The whole thing is like the collapse of a dying empire. They're so set in their ways after years of success and are unwilling, or unable, to adapt or compromise. Until they do a complete restructure and start acting like a football club rather than a marketing machine, they're doomed.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Now this would not be good ?

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Manchester United are considering a new move to finally sign Lazio's Sergej Milinkovic-Savic as they attempt to rescue what has become a frustrating transfer window.

 

[djhotspur]

Now this would not be good ?

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Manchester United are considering a new move to finally sign Lazio's Sergej Milinkovic-Savic as they attempt to rescue what has become a frustrating transfer window.

Well it wouldn’t be that bad… their 4th attacking mid

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Well it wouldn’t be that bad… their 4th attacking mid

I see him as a box-to-box with leadership qualities... maybe one of the best out there. Hope you're right ?

 

[Trix]

Now this would not be good ?

DAILY TELEGRAPH

Manchester United are considering a new move to finally sign Lazio's Sergej Milinkovic-Savic as they attempt to rescue what has become a frustrating transfer window.

Well that wouldn't surprise me. The only players I feel they are well stocked in are central attack minded midfielders. Makes a lot of sense to blow £90mil+ on another one.


They are crying out for a CF, a CB, and a ball winner in the middle, let alone full backs.

 

[spids]

They needed a big clear out this summer. Fair enough if Ten Hag wants to judge for himself, but they need to get 7 or 8 out of the club and bring in players the new manager wants. They also need to start with Ronaldo. He missed pre-season, played one half of their last friendly and then went home at HT, and then announced he’s fit to start their first game. Ten Hag should not even have had him on the bench and publicly said he’s 3 or 4 weeks behind the other players. Shaw, Rashford, McTomminay, Fred, Maguire, De Gea … all not good enough any more. Broken club. It’s fantastic!

 

[ikky]

 

[spursfan77]

Yeah basically they've maxed out their credit card and are just making the minimum payment so as to stop the bailiff's coming round. At the same time they are filtering whatever other profits the club makes straight into their own back pocket. It was actually a brilliant no risk business strategy by the Glazers, who will just sell the debt on as part of the club if they ever sell up.

If I was buying a premier league football club that makes loads of money, it’s exactly what I’d do. Do enough to keep them either in the CL places or in the league while taking dividends. Buy with debt then sell it on with it. It’s why, as much as levy has frustrated us in recent times, we have to be very careful who we wish to be our next owners. It is the only way to do it if you want to make money from a club rather than piss it away.

 

[piedpiper]

Yeah basically they've maxed out their credit card and are just making the minimum payment so as to stop the bailiff's coming round. At the same time they are filtering whatever other profits the club makes straight into their own back pocket. It was actually a brilliant no risk business strategy by the Glazers, who will just sell the debt on as part of the club if they ever sell up.

United supporters should have rioted a very long time ago......anyway rather them than us hey.

 

[piedpiper]

By that logic there are only about six managers in the world who are good enough for us. Good luck with that.

How will any manager prove themselves at the top level if they aren't given a chance?

Would Liverpool, City, United or Chelsea appoint him...... we want to compete with these clubs then we must shop in the same pool as them.....let him win a trophy or 2 and show his pedigree.

 

[piedpiper]

It was a leveraged buyout so they put little to nothing down put all the debt on the club and only pay the interest, What they've paid in interest would have covered the entire purchase of the club years ago. With interest rates going up even higher yearly payments now. LBO's were very popular among Americans, Black Stone Capital/Black Rock all began with LBO's.

I think they paid something like £500M in interest payments between 2010-20

That is absolutely crazy..... I've knocked Levy at times but hell.... he is a savior compared to that lot..... on that sky clip they mentioned more than 1.5 billion has been squandered ny the Glazers which could have easily paid off that debt

 

[Japhet]

Now this would not be good ?

DAILY TELEGRAPH

Manchester United are considering a new move to finally sign Lazio's Sergej Milinkovic-Savic as they attempt to rescue what has become a frustrating transfer window.

He'd be nuts to go there. De Jong obviously isn't keen.

 

[duvfromabuv]

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Oy Ten Hag, fancy turning your head upside down?

 

[KILLA_SIN]

That is absolutely crazy..... I've knocked Levy at times but hell.... he is a savior compared to that lot..... on that sky clip they mentioned more than 1.5 billion has been squandered ny the Glazers which could have easily paid off that debt

They could have paid off the debt and refurbished the stadium.

I think I read our interest rate is 2% and we got that deal because of how well we had been run without debt, we were a safe bet. TBH when I read we got 2% commercial, all the years of not spending were forgiven. It's a phenomenal deal

Edit contrast the Glazers were paying 15% back in 2005 Interest vs the 2% we are paying

 

[Cinemattis]

Maguire and Martinez preparing to face Haaland:

Surely it´s more like these two ...?