Lloris... And the players reactions to him

[DaSpurs]

Lloris is not, has never been, and never will be a physically commanding keeper. His strength has never been one of his strengths. That having been said, there have been some situations where he needed to take a bit more charge by taking the ball out of the air.

On the matter of the second Southampton goal, Lloris has very limited experience playing with two central midfielders since his time at Spurs. Usually a man running through the middle is easily picked up. So in his defense, this has allowed him to close on through balls similar to the one that came through for Lallana in that situation. Also, it should also be noted that that was top notch awareness from Lallana. I know it's a crazy concept, but not every time something goes wrong for us is directly due to the mistake of someone with a ball & cockerel on their apparel.

 

[Syn_13]

I'm not bothered about it. I'd still take Lloris over most keepers out there.

 

[Ironskullll]

I said before we got him that he's a great shot stopper, very quick but there are issues with him and he does have the odd blunder in him.

But this is what you get with this type of keeper. Pro-active keepers will sometimes fuck up, generally though, they save you much more than what they cost you.

Would you say as well that keepers at that age who have risen to the top of the game are quite vulnerable in this respect? We've seen something very similar with Joe Hart, where one or two mistakes seemed to cascade into a series and a loss of form and confidence? The hardest steel comes through the hottest fire and, mistakes being inevitable, maybe this is just one phase that had top come sooner or later. I wonder what measures the club and coaches take in such situations to bolster the "victim"'s confidence and mindset.

But as for the pressure fellow players put on him, surely that's a winning mentality developing - i.e. a good thing?

 

[cozzo]

I was waiting for Dawson to slide in before the ball was passed to Lambert. Dawson just stood there.

 

[Ribble]

I'm more than happy with Lloris far rather a proactive goalie than an oak Tree rooted to the line sort.

He will make the odd mistake but saves us much more...I can live with that.

Strongly agree, he's not got his timing/range exactly right at the moment but that'll pass.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Would you say as well that keepers at that age who have risen to the top of the game are quite vulnerable in this respect? We've seen something very similar with Joe Hart, where one or two mistakes seemed to cascade into a series and a loss of form and confidence? The hardest steel comes through the hottest fire and, mistakes being inevitable, maybe this is just one phase that had top come sooner or later. I wonder what measures the club and coaches take in such situations to bolster the "victim"'s confidence and mindset.

But as for the pressure fellow players put on him, surely that's a winning mentality developing - i.e. a good thing?

You just have to be careful you don't curb what he does best. I'll live with the odd gaff for all the situations he saves by being proactive. It's all well and good players moaning at him when he makes a howler as long as they are patting him on the back when he saves the day. And Walker's arse has been saved plenty by Lloris (as has everyones).

To be fair, generally speaking, Lloris has been one of our most consistent performers.

 

[Bulletspur]

Walker and Eriksson are fine ones to "talk". Mate, tell me one player that doesn't make errors, or have a dip in form and I will then accept this thread with some credence.

 

[walworthyid]

I think he will be ok with a more settled defense in front of him and less pressure to sweep. I must say though that I miss gomes' ability to make worldie saves. He made some of the best saves I've ever seen a spurs keeper make. He's too good to be rotting in our squad.
Love lloris though, great keeper.

 

[parklane1]

He is a good keeper for sure, however i have never been in the camp that he is world class.

 

[ajspurs]

Walker and Eriksson are fine ones to "talk". Mate, tell me one player that doesn't make errors, or have a dip in form and I will then accept this thread with some credence.

To answer your question, Dawson... There, one stupid reply to another.

 

[Drexl]

Not the same player since the Everton game, don't know whether that affected his confidence or he has not recovered physically am not sure but it is not the same Lloris

We hardly conceded any goals in the first few games of the season now we are haemorrhaging them, this isn't just down to Lloris of course, but he just doesn't look the same player

 

[Bulletspur]

The interesting thing though is the reaction to him from a few players, Walker in particular and I think Eriksen too. In the recent game against Saints after their second goal that Lambert scored you could see Walker attempt to block the shot is he comes sliding in and as the ball rolls past him you can see him slapping his sides in real frustration and pointing in Lloris' direction. Now it could have been for Chiriches but I think it was aimed more at Lloris.

I have now re watched the incident and I think in this case its a mater of "The eye sees what the eye wants to see". Walker could have been gesticulating to anyone as far as I could see. Chiriches, Lloris and even himself for not reaching it in time (good effort by the way). IMO this is how rumours are started.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

At some point Hugo's rushing out will cost us big style. It's a bit of a catch 22 as with our lack of pace in our central defenders we absolutely need someone that is as alert to the danger as he is.

At the same time he has made some decisions in the past couple of months that have directly lost us goals and could have been worse. Let's face it, if Fergie was in that dugout yesterday it's a pen, and a red card. Although he didn't make much contact it was rash and I'm not sure why he went to ground like that considering the angle where Young was he was always going to try and chip him or take it around him.

So I think that he just needs to work on his decision making a bit, not on the times that he rushes out but what he actually does when he gets there!

 

[xuri]

Rarely is a manager dismissed because of his relentless commitment to a single tactical concept. Andre Villas-Boas, however, was repeatedly undone by his side’s high defensive line, used in situations that didn’t make sense and often with no pressure on the ball. It was utterly suicidal.

It was interesting, however, partly because it forced Hugo Lloris into the most proactive goalkeeping role of recent years. The Frenchman was a true sweeper-keeper, starting extremely high up the pitch and charging out repeatedly to make crucial interceptions when Tottenham’s defence was beaten. He followed a similar approach when dealing with aerial balls, too, often having to judge the area of the penalty box accurately because he was so close to handling outside the area.

Such an extreme role is unlikely under Tim Sherwood, but rarely has a goalkeeper received such attention for his style rather than his saves. Lloris is not the first goalkeeper to act as an 11th outfielder, and he’s made too many mistakes in recent weeks, but he is a fine demonstration of the modern interpretation of goalkeeping.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tacticsandanalysis/id/2422?cc=5739

 

[zoidy84]

I saw the Eriksen 'catch' motion. There is a reverse angle shot from the other side of the pitch to which the corner is being taken, and as soon as Lambert's shot clears the bar, Eriksen turns to Lloris and tells to him catch. The thing about it, was it didn't look like a frustrated action, but more of a continuation of past comments. It had a training ground look about it.

 

[idontgetit]

Best defensive headed clearance....eveerrrrrrrrr

 

[SlunkSoma]

That header is amazing

 

[danielneeds]

I'd expect Sherwood will have a word with about coming out so far wide in the channels. There really is no need for him to come out so far when the attacker is not bearing down on goal. I'd expect a quite word to put it to bed too.

 

[idontgetit]

I'd expect Sherwood will have a word with about coming out so far wide in the channels. There really is no need for him to come out so far when the attacker is not bearing down on goal. I'd expect a quite word to put it to bed too.

I love seeing him sweeping up behind the defence but like everything else there has to be balance to it, 50/50s on players running away from goal are not worth it

 

[Mr Pink]

I think he needs to reign it in a little. It cost us against United at home and could well of cost us last night as well. A lot of hard work goes into that sort of performance and to have it undone by a rush of blood to the head is so frustrating.

I really like him, top class keeper. But he has to exercise better judgement. I love the way he comes out for most things, its his style which is fine...but when the ball is wide in the channel there is no need. It was the same in the home game as last night, both situations were not what you would call highly dangerous.