Mateo Musacchio

[portogirl]

The problem here are not the third parties, but Villarreal. They were cheap enough to only buy 35% of him. They should now expect 35% of what he's worth.
They practically stole the player from River and now they have the nerve to want them to reduce their cut

sounds like Daniel and the Villareal president may well have studied together at the same school of negotiation

 

[GetSpurredOn]

The problem here are not the third parties, but Villarreal. They were cheap enough to only buy 35% of him. They should now expect 35% of what he's worth.
They practically stole the player from River and now they have the nerve to want them to reduce their cut

Exactly. Villarreal only paid for one third of him, so they only get a one third of the transfer fee. That's life.

 

[Kendall]

I'm amazed we're the only ones that seem to think along these lines.
Although there's always the chance that river plate and his agent could foresee him being an appreciating asset and therefore not selling 100% of his rights to Villereal.

I don't think we are, I think that's exactly what River Plate wanted and still do want.

 

[King of the Lane]

Every time I check there has been another 5+ pages and it makes me think he has signed or something big has happened

I don't want to do work, I just want to see a shiny new signing lol

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Looks like that's torpedoed that submarine then. Deal sunk without trace!

In reality though 35% of something is a whole lot better than 35% of nothing and it is probably blustering and bluffing. Spurs will just say we are going to walk away and more sense will prevail in my (very uneducated) opinion.

This philosophy doesn't really hold though does it; at the minute they have 100% of him out there playing for them on the pitch. If we owned 35% of our highest value player, most on here would rather we kept them than sold them with only a fraction of their value going to us.

Quite frankly this sort of situation should be outlawed.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Spurspanyol @Spurspanyol · 3m
Interesting note: Villarreal media believe they will win their appeal against River Plate & could get at least 75% of Mateo's rights.

 

[rebrab]

I wish they could just take the deal now and appeal for rights later.

Anyone know when the appeal is?

 

[Beni]

This philosophy doesn't really hold though does it; at the minute they have 100% of him out there playing for them on the pitch. If we owned 35% of our highest value player, most on here would rather we kept them than sold them with only a fraction of their value going to us.

Quite frankly this sort of situation should be outlawed.

Exactly, and would surely put the player off joining a team that holds such little rights of him, as they could just refuse to sell him until his contract runs out.
Or if they did, they'd want a more realistic release cause so that the owning club can't hold out for silly money

 

[KaNoUtE9]

Is the agent able to sell his % to Villarreal?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I wish they could just take the deal now and appeal for rights later.

Anyone know when the appeal is?

2018 knowing our luck

 

[dagraham]

£17 million constitutes a big fee, especially for a defender. It's just the fact they only get 1/3 of it due to his ownership. I'm pretty sure he'd be ours by now otherwise.

Yeah, probably. The facts are though they only own a third. Which means that either :

a) We are being used to entice a money bags club into the bidding or

b) We've not been fully aware of the 3rd party issues or were aware, but naively thought Villareal would accept a bid that would only see them receive £6m ish.

I certainly hope it's a) but I've learnt not to be surprised by our transfer dealings tbh.

What is interesting is JJ's stance on the matter. He hinted the other day that things we a lot further own the road than the media believed, but has since backtracked. Which reading between the lines means that either some further 3rd party shit has developed (maybe a 4th, 5th or 20th party knowing these shady deals). Or, we've just found out we've been well and truly played.

I hope we've got a plan b as far as experienced CB's are concerned.

 

[TheAmerican]

Most of these clubs want it both ways. They want to get these massive players they couldn't otherwise afford to purchase, and they want to get all of the players value when they sell them.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Yeah, probably. The facts are though they only own a third. Which means that either :

a) We are being used to entice a money bags club into the bidding or

b) We've not been fully aware of the 3rd party issues or were aware, but naively thought Villareal would accept a bid that would only £6m ish.

I certainly hope it's b) but I've learnt not to be surprised by our transfer dealings tbh.

What is interesting is JJ's stance on the matter. He hinted the other day that things we a lot further own the road than the media believed, but has since backtracked. Which reading between the lines means that either some further 3rd party shit has developed (maybe a 4th, 5th or 20th party knowing these shady deals). Or, we've just found out we've been well and truly played.

I hope we've got a plan b as far as experienced CB's are concerned.

Given that this has been in the works for several weeks, but seemingly very secretive - based on JJs ITK, my assumption is we have been working with the Agent and River - who both seem willing to sell (and see a great return on their investment). Only once we reached an agreement on price with those two, did we approach Villarreal - who probably feel a bit blindsided - which explains a bit of the reaction recently. So I expect that the primary issue here is Villa, and not the 3rd parties, and it has less to do with the value of Musacchio, and more to do with Villarreal not being able to afford a replacement CB, with only getting 35% of the deal.

 

[The Long Suffering One]

If we can help it, can we not buy from Spanish clubs ever again? All these long drawn transfer sagas (Soldado and Mateo) involving release clauses and 3rd party rights are so tiresome to bear.

 

[Ossie85]

Most of these clubs want it both ways. They want to get these massive players they couldn't otherwise afford to purchase, and they want to get all of the players value when they sell them.

yeah, Villarreal just signed Vietto by buying 80% from Racing. They complain about receiving only part of the transfer fee, but in the other hand they keep buying players like that

 

[mckenz]

The problem here are not the third parties, but Villarreal. They were cheap enough to only buy 35% of him. They should now expect 35% of what he's worth.
They practically stole the player from River and now they have the nerve to want them to reduce their cut

Your the man on this kind of deal knowing more on the teams in question than most - whats your gut feeling?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Buying a percentage of a player. It's just so stupid.

 

[Ossie85]

Spurspanyol @Spurspanyol · 3m
Interesting note: Villarreal media believe they will win their appeal against River Plate & could get at least 75% of Mateo's rights.

I highly doubt it.

And even if they win they won't get all of it. And all of it is 70%

So that's just wrong in so many ways

 

[danielneeds]

Surprised Villarreal aren't trying to do a deal with River, you can have our 1/3 of Mateo's transfer in exchange for sending Balanta over here and maybe 50% of his economic rights. One season in La Liga and he'd surely go for mega-money.

Ready made replacement sent over, and 50% of a possible windfall next year, and River get a tidy cash sum, which they probably need.

 

[danielneeds]

Buying a percentage of a player. It's just so stupid.

Really? Tell that to Porto... they do pretty well out of it.