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He's the sort of player we need but i'd rather have Muhamed Besic or ideally Hector Herrera. Herrera is probably out of our price range though .
Ye no Holtby is not a nr8, he looked awful when played there and hes clearly alot worse in defence than Badelj and can not do everything he can. I have no idea why you would even compare these two as theyre very different players and would most likely not even compete for the same spot.Hm, like him but don't see the point in it. Holtby can do everything he can, is younger, and already here
Ye no Holtby is not a nr8, he looked awful when played there and hes clearly alot worse in defence than Badelj and can not do everything he can. I have no idea why you would even compare these two as theyre very different players and would most likely not even compete for the same spot.
I've answered this question about a million times on here, so i'm gonna just gonna summarise:
-Holtby played no. 8 at Schalke
-Helped them finish third, during which he averaged 2.6 tackles a game and 3.1 interceptions a game, 7 assists, and 1.5 key passes a game
-Compared to Badelj who last season managed 3.6 tackles a game, 2.9 interceptions, 5 assists, and 1.1 key passes a game
-Played as DLP, same as Badelj
-Has PL record for most tackles in a game in whole of PL this season
-Averaged 2.5 tackles a game for Fulham which would make the 4th highest for Spurs, despite him playing the majority of his games further forward for Fulham
-Incidentally, the one game he played at Fulham in the DLP role saw him get his highest rating and the record tackles game
Meh.
I like Holtby, he has the qualities I'm sure Poch would appreciate in a midfielder. If coached properly, he could be an excellent central player.
Re Milan, I can see both Sandro and Dembele leaving this Summer, with Capoue, Bentaleb and maybe Lewis as our CM options, so we'd still need one more unless they think Veljkovic is up to it in midfield. If not, I see Badelj as a cheaper alternative to Schneiderlin.
It's also worth noting that Badelj's stats would have been skewered by his side's terrible form that nearly saw them get relegated last season (re the Schalke stats for Holtby). But fair play to Lewis in terms of his Fulham numbers.
No he wasnt? 12/13 season he played 1 game as no8 and 18 games as no10 with Jones and Neurstädter behind him. (In the league)I've answered this question about a million times on here, so i'm gonna just gonna summarise:
-Holtby played no. 8 at Schalke
-Helped them finish third, during which he averaged 2.6 tackles a game and 3.1 interceptions a game, 7 assists, and 1.5 key passes a game
-Compared to Badelj who last season managed 3.6 tackles a game, 2.9 interceptions, 5 assists, and 1.1 key passes a game
-Played as DLP, same as Badelj
-Has PL record for most tackles in a game in whole of PL this season
-Averaged 2.5 tackles a game for Fulham which would make the 4th highest for Spurs, despite him playing the majority of his games further forward for Fulham
-Incidentally, the one game he played at Fulham in the DLP role saw him get his highest rating and the record tackles game
Meh.
Would prefer Schneiderlin however this one is probably more realistic.
No he wasnt? 12/13 season he played 1 game as no8 and 18 games as no10 with Jones and Neurstädter behind him. (In the league)
Holtby is a good tackler yes, but he also tends to be a headless chicken wanting to do way to much often leaving him in bad positions, and he does not have much of a aerial presence at all.
Fair enough. That is 3 years ago though, and his main position since has been the no10 role. And if none of our managers have seen him as a no8 that is quite telling.11/12 season he played there. He only got moved to no.10 during the 12/13 season because Raul left. His positioning is fine when next to a defensive mid
Fair enough. That is 3 years ago though, and his main position since has been the no10 role. And if none of our managers have seen him as a no8 that is quite telling.
He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.AVB used him there in late Oct/early Nov when he started hitting his stride. People mention the two CDMs as the two players who got screwed the most by AVB going and Sherwood coming in, but Holtby has to included. He had finally hit a stretch of consistency with the first team after putting in great work to recover from his summer injury and in his cup performances, and then it was all yanked out from under him. Damn shame.
He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.
He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.
He also played there against Fulham. He made the comment after that game that his performance and his goal was testament to the fact he prefers sitting deeper and moving forward.
But I agree, if Badelj is that cheap I'd like to see us go for it.
Yeah, I agree
Would I take him? Yeah.
Do we particularly need him? No.
Would I be happy for us to sell Dembele to get him? Without a doubt
Dunno mate he paired schneiderlin with wanyama when fitSimilar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.
I think adapting and settling is way overrated in general, a 25y old whos played a significant part in a team in a comparable league shouldnt have any problem settling, it is impossible to tell tho.But surely it's less of a risk to trust one of the players who's already here and settled, than it is to sign what is essentially an unknown quantity, in the sense that we don't know how he'll adapt to the premiership. Also, though not always the case, the pattern tends to be that players get moved further up the pitch if they're highly rated, and moved back when they're not (Bale/Rose). I think Holtby's eye for a pass saw him moved further up the pitch, but aside from that, I don't think it's an inability to play CM which hasn't seen him play there, but rather a result of the squad of players available. During the last two seasons there have been an abundance of CMs, and like I said before, Holtby was moved further forward at Schalke to make up for Raul's absence
Dunno mate he paired schneiderlin with wanyama when fit
Similar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.