Next Manager Watch

[jolsnogross]

Has Mason even been the No.2 at Spurs when he has been interim/caretaker? I agree it might be daft to bring someone like Carrick in instead of giving it to Mason, but we are quite a way away at this critical juncture from giving the job to someone who hasn't done the job before.

The appointment is critical if we're to address the slide we've seen in the last 4 years. There needs to be a hard look at why two managers that have won everywhere else failed here. It's about leadership and tactics/style and how that interacts with our club's culture. We've had successful managers in the recent past that created compelling and competitive team. It's such a shame we've done this to ourselves - going from the highs of Poch to the recent terrible performance levels - so we have to get the equation right again so we don't run adrift.

 

[DenverSpur]

Last time I share anything here. Myopic or what.

Not sure why you’re getting upset. Nobody’s having a go at you they know you’re just passing on what you were told. they just doubt your source’s information.

 

[DenverSpur]

Maybe we can get him on loan with obligation

Creative thinking. I like it.

 

[easley91]

I had to do a search on Yahoo.

Maybe we should ask Jeeves.

 

[A Bit Much]

From checking the eredivisie table, I think feyenoord win the league if they win on Saturday (and psv draw?). Maybe that will trigger more concrete talks with slot and get him signed up (if he's the man levy wants). I'll be looking out keenly for any developments on slot next week, assuming they do the business.

 

[sparx100]

I am just keen for someone to be announced - i just hope Levy knows the criticality of getting this right and quickly.

This team needs a lot of transitioning in identifying a new DoF, bedding in a new style of play and the inevitable churning of both incoming and outgoing transfers. The longer it takes to to get someone in, the more worried I become.

 

[YIDfromtheLANE]

My gut feel is they will appoint a manager largely based on the structure of the current squad, not what that squad could look like with an overhaul guided by the knowledge, input and style of the new man.

I can imagine after all the interviews it will boil down to which candidate best fits their short sighted approach, burying their head in the sand convincing themselves they have made their decision for all the right reasons.

I come to this conclusion simply based on their attitude to protect the £, zero football knowledge and no faith in lessons being learnt we’ll be here again in 18 months.

It has to be a reset across all facets of the club. Acknowledging past mistakes, owning them and moving on using that experience.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

My gut feel is they will appoint a manager largely based on the structure of the current squad, not what that squad could look like with an overhaul guided by the knowledge, input and style of the new man.

I can imagine after all the interviews it will boil down to which candidate best fits their short sighted approach, burying their head in the sand convincing themselves they have made their decision for all the right reasons.

I come to this conclusion simply based on their attitude to protect the £, zero football knowledge and no faith in lessons being learnt we’ll be here again in 18 months.

It has to be a reset across all facets of the club. Acknowledging past mistakes, owning them and moving on using that experience.

I keep reading reasoning like this. Although when Brighton get a manager who they’ve headhunted because they know his philosophy will work with their current playing staff, meaning it’s an almost seamless transition, it’s hailed as joined-up thinking, and all part of their amazing strategy.

But when we try similar to minimise yet another churn of playing staff after 18 months of building a team to fit one managers playing style, it’s seen as ‘cheap’ and ‘short-sighted’.

You’ve got to laugh.

 

[wadewill]

Seems to be a lot of “alternative to Nagglesman” in the media

 

[wadewill]

Bollox, I meant Nogglemann

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Seems to be a lot of “alternative to Nagglesman” in the media

It hasn't even started yet

Soon it'll be alternatives to the alternatives.

Oh and you meant Nagelsmann

 

[danielneeds]

I keep reading reasoning like this. Although when Brighton get a manager who they’ve headhunted because they know his philosophy will work with their current playing staff, meaning it’s an almost seamless transition, it’s hailed as joined-up thinking, and all part of their amazing strategy.

But when we try similar to minimise yet another churn of playing staff after 18 months of building a team to fit one managers playing style, it’s seen as ‘cheap’ and ‘short-sighted’.

You’ve got to laugh.

Brighton’s approach is fine when you’ve been consistently buying players to fit a style, but our recruitment has been scattergun for years so trying to apply any kind of manager’s philosophy to it is largely pointless.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Brighton’s approach is fine when you’ve been consistently buying players to fit a style, but our recruitment has been scattergun for years so trying to apply any kind of manager’s philosophy to it is largely pointless.

I don’t entirely disagree. Point is though we need to avoid another squad churn. It’s just unrealistic to expect to overhaul the squad when we’ve spent so much in the past 18 months and we’re in a market where prem teams are struggling to sell players.

As has been said many times already, at the very least we need a manger who has experience of playing a back 3 even if that is with one eye to transitioning to a back 4 further down the line. That is why Naggelsman is so perfect for us.

 

[Swalien]

With respect, I completely disagree.

I want a manager who is the best person for the job. Simple as that. Ryan Mason has not yet shown that he has the capability, experience or talent to be chosen over the other candidates that are under consideration imo. He has plenty of time to show the performance and progression that we all hope for and as I said in a previous post, it will be interesting to see if Mason, Defoe, Yahya, Carrick et al will be the next generation of managers getting top jobs. I'd like to see him and his own team take a role in the lower leagues to cement their experience and continue their development. Like it or not, Mason bears a small about of collective responsibility for the disaster this season (clearly not as much as Messrs Conte & Stellini) and I'd like to see him reflect on that experience and put it to good use as part of his development.

On your other point....I have bad news for you mate, football is now a global game and as such, jobs are no longer the preserve of English managers. Personally, I see this as a good thing and I welcome talent from wherever it comes from as long as they are able to show the requisite attitude, application and commitment to our glorious club. I get the sentiment of wanting to see a young English manager, but in my view, thats no different than me saying "I'd love to see more black managers, why don't we give JD or Powell or Yahya the job?"

In the end, we all just want the person who is going to give us the best chance of some silverware, while playing football that is aligned with our core values. If it’s a young, English manager..great!, If it’s a black manager...fantastic! But some of the most recent happiest times at this club have come under Jol & Poch, both who are foreign and both who were able to give us our identity.

Many thanks for your reply mate I’m very aware of your bad news that football is a global game as you call it. I have taken an interest in football from around the world for a long time. Would you mean more that the English premier football league is now a global brand type thing?

I did not mean to offend anyone by suggesting it would be nice to see a local boy English manager Manage the club? I would also say that Mason would be able to show a lot more of the “requisite attitude, application and commitment to our glorious club” than some of our previous talented managers.

I guess I am more an old Skool football fan who is going with the sentiment fairytale of the club doing their own thing and wanting Mason to be appointed. Trouble is I guess an appointment like that would cause a lot of dissent among some of the fan base, as my previous and probably this post will. But my intuition tells me the appointment of Ryan Mason would be a fantastic dream ticket to take the club back to the glory days.

 

[chas vs dave]

I also feel like people are going crazy because of Arteta's success

Remember
1. He learned directly from one of the best, if not the best, managers in the league as his #2. Clearly he was going to develop a style referencing his.
2. Arteta finished 8th for 2 years, if he didn't win that FFA cup he would have been fired 100%
3. He was severely backed in the transfer window


It just doesn't seem likely to happen with us in a similar capacity if we hired someone as inexperienced

He also had barely any key injuries, until ba k end of the season.

As soon as he lost saliba, everything fell apart.

 

[Japhet]

I think the idea of paying Bayern for a manager they sacked is ridiculous.

About as ridiculous as them continuing to pay a manager they've sacked. On that point, are we still paying Conte?

 

[A Bit Much]

He also had barely any key injuries, until ba k end of the season.

As soon as he lost saliba, everything fell apart.

This is one of the biggest and most crucial points. Even though we're crap, if bentancur was fit all season we'd be much better. It's one of the reasons city win so much, because their crazy squad levels mean they swap someone out if they get injured or lose form.

 

[Timberwolf]

I keep reading reasoning like this. Although when Brighton get a manager who they’ve headhunted because they know his philosophy will work with their current playing staff, meaning it’s an almost seamless transition, it’s hailed as joined-up thinking, and all part of their amazing strategy.

But when we try similar to minimise yet another churn of playing staff after 18 months of building a team to fit one managers playing style, it’s seen as ‘cheap’ and ‘short-sighted’.

You’ve got to laugh.

Yeah, surely getting in a manager that suits the squad is a good thing? Helps to prevent and endless churn of squad overhauls which in itself prevents us moving forward - a mistake fans have criticised the club of for years and years.

I mean, I would get the complaining if we went for a rubbish, cheap manager only because they play with wing-backs, but it seems to me that we're targeting quite exciting, progressive managers that suit the squad, so seems actually surprisingly sensible and not the usual knee-jerk nonsense from Levy & co.

 

[Rosco1984]

For me it's constantly being outnumbered in midfield and inviting pressure on our defence as a result.

totally agree. Can't see the logic myself. Yes we have some decent wingbacks but i'm sure it's easier to teach them to play in a back 4 than it is to turn Tanganga, Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Lenglet into decent premier league centre backs. to play 3 at the back well you need at least 5 quality centre backs at the club we have 1 quality centre back and maybe davies who is average and just not a car crash like the other 4. 4 at the back manager now or we will continue to be dominated.

 

[Timberwolf]

Has Mason even been the No.2 at Spurs when he has been interim/caretaker? I agree it might be daft to bring someone like Carrick in instead of giving it to Mason, but we are quite a way away at this critical juncture from giving the job to someone who hasn't done the job before.

The appointment is critical if we're to address the slide we've seen in the last 4 years. There needs to be a hard look at why two managers that have won everywhere else failed here. It's about leadership and tactics/style and how that interacts with our club's culture. We've had successful managers in the recent past that created compelling and competitive team. It's such a shame we've done this to ourselves - going from the highs of Poch to the recent terrible performance levels - so we have to get the equation right again so we don't run adrift.

Think the answer's pretty simple: our squad wasn't good enough.

You gotta give managers like Jose and Conte elite squads if you want them to compete. We were too far off that and were never going to spend 400-500m to get to where they needed to be within the 2-3 year grace period before they pissed off the entire squad/fan-base and everything exploded. They both had good spells here, but with Dier & co as regulars it just was never going to be sustainable, hence things got poisonous fast.

Both were poor fits for where we were as a club. We needed another Poch-type to build us up again after his genuinely elite squad was tattered and broken in 2019. But Levy was convinced we were big dogs and, in an act of hubris, hired Mourinho as a symbolic gesture to show how far the club had come "we're finally a club big enough to attract the best manager in the world - Jose".

Seems like Levy has finally realised the error of his ways and is once again targeting a manager on the way up like Poch was back in 2015 - just got to hope we can pick the right one who can get the fans back on side and get the team playing decent stuff again. Most of the candidates at least indicate we've got the right general approach this time.