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Quotes from Big Ange on his style of play
"Inevitably his influence (my dad) was that he loved the players that would excite so he would love a player like your dad Anthony (former Chelsea and England international Alan Hudson), and the entertainers of the time. He would always point them out to me. He loved Ferenc Puskas and the Hungarian team of the 50s and 60s. He loved Leeds United with Eddie Gray dribbling and Peter Lorimer hitting bombs. For people of today's generation I'm talking a long time ago.

"They were the people that excited him and he kept pointing them out to me. The 1974 World Cup, the Dutch team that played there, we sat up in the middle of the night because in Australia it was on then.

"I just think that somehow subliminally all of those things became a part of me and my philosophy and how I want my teams to play is just an extension of me. It's why if I've had success it's because people are willing to follow me on the journey because I'm not trying to impose something on them that I've learned or that we've seen somewhere else and I've tried to copy.

"They just see it as an extension of me. It's a lot easier to believe in something or someone when that message that's coming from them is a genuine one. It comes from them.

"So that whole upbringing of mine, when I got into coaching I sit there as a coach and I want my team to have the ball. I get no satisfaction from setting up the defensive structure that stops an opposition. That just doesn't excite me. I get excited when my team has the ball. So if that's what excites me so I set up my teams to have the ball and I set up my teams to get the ball back quickly. I set up my teams to score goals and excite.

"My father passed away two years ago and it's the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life because it made me realise how entwined he was in everything I had done in football and in life in many respects. I crystallised after he passed away that what I'm really doing is I'm putting out teams and building teams to play in a way that my dad would have enjoyed watching.

From this podcast for anyone who’s interested:

‎Masterminds - High Performance Sports: Ange Postecoglou - Success, Principles and Bravery on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Masterminds - High Performance Sports, Ep Ange Postecoglou - Success, Principles and Bravery - 12 Mar 2020

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Johnny J]

I'd be happy if Ange is the man, but reports of a two year deal with a options makes me worried that the club aren't very convinced with him and won't give him the backing he'll need to rebuild the team.

Same situation as Poch and Chelsea.

Isn't a problem. If Postecoglou does well then we'll use the option and/or negotiate a longer deal.

If it doesn't work out, we aren't on the hook for a massive payout.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I'd be happy if Ange is the man, but reports of a two year deal with a options makes me worried that the club aren't very convinced with him and won't give him the backing he'll need to rebuild the team.

Think the club have been burned in the past. They were paying Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte all at the same time. 2+1 seems reasonable and let’s hope that gets extended as quickly as possible once he has proved to be a great appointment.

 

[Ravenyonaz]

If Ange gets appointed, I feel it will be a very astute appointment. He seems to be the real deal and what we need. Hope the speculations are correct this time around. COYS!

 

[degoose]

Simon Jordan talking a lot of sense here

 

[Riandor]

Bringing Terry Henry with him is doomed for failure

Why?
Nagelsmman was tasked with a clear out at Bayern and instilling youth. He was blocked though due to player egos of the established order. Kahn listened to those players and look where it got Kahn in the end.

By all accounts Nagelsmann is being tasked with the same at PSG, where they want to move away from galacticos and more towards french youth products, get more in touch with the league and fan base. Well, we will see if they have the stomach for it, but in essence he would have had the same remit here.

Anyway, appears to be very much water under the bridge. Where were we... ah yes HAIL our new Australian overlords!!

 

[Fredo]

Please just sign a decent AM, truly believe not having someone decent on the ball that links our midfield to attack is part of the reason why we arent doing well, alongside having decent CBs.

 

[spursfan77]

None of this would surprise me. I’m sure we had info at the start of April that he was the back up to Slot. His agent being Munn’s agent too isn’t a surprise.

Keith Jackson names Frank Trimboli as central figure in unfolding Ange drama

Our man spotted the influential agent who could become a key figure in the Parkhead gaffer's future with Spurs circling.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

 

[homer hotspur]

Think the club have been burned in the past. They were paying Poch, Mourinho, Nuno and Conte all at the same time. 2+1 seems reasonable and let’s hope that gets extended as quickly as possible once he has proved to be a great appointment.

I couldn't work out how Bayern were able to ask for a large compensation for JN whilst he was on paid gardening leave whereas we apparently couldn't do similar for Poch And JM. Perhaps it's a new feature of contracts?

 

[King of the Lane]

Just to save everyone time. If the next 50 pages are like the last 50, you can just quote this post instead of typing up your "brand new and fresh opinion."

Pro supporters:

Give him a chance, he plays attacking football, he is charismatic, he has managed in more than one country, he can play the didgeridoo, there is a video you can all watch thats only been posted 200 times already.

Naysayers:

He has not managed in a top league before, he isnt the manager I wanted, he isnt JN, he is 57, he looks like he would chin you in a toby carvery car park, he sounds like Crocodile Dundee.

I think that just about covers it.

 

[brasil_spur]

It's clearly been a clown show. Anyone's guess as to why we didn't go for Nagelsmann or Poch but I do also think we've suffered the problem of Slot being our first choice and thus needing to wait until the season end to try to advance talks. And now that's broken down, Alonso and Kompany are off the table, Ange is the next choice and now we're having to wait for him also

The biggest mistakes here imo are not paying up for Slot, and not going back for Nagelsmann or Poch after those talks broke down.

I don't agree with this.

I think the plan from the start, and there’s a bunch of info out there to support this, was to go for Slot.

I think we looked at Nagelsmann, purely because not doing so would have been stupid, and he likely wanted budget assurances that we couldn’t make - this was a large part of why it went wrong with Conte.

There was no point going back for Poch after Slot fell through as he was already working with Chelsea behind the scenes, whilst it didn’t get announced publicly until last Monday that deal was done a few weeks earlier. Why we didn’t go all in for Poch before then is a good question, but I imagine it was because we felt we needed the “new Poch” not the old one back.

The failure here was not paying what Feyenoord wanted for Slot. I imagine this was a mix of naivety on our part and greed/ambition on Feyenoord's part. They wanted a silly number and we thought the number would be much lower. I imagine, given how quickly it all went, that they had agreed with Slot a very short window for a suitable offer to be made and accepted in order to allow him to leave. That being said we should have paid up.

Big Ange now seems like the closest manager to Slot in terms of profile and the fact he has had strong success this season has likely helped make him our second choice, partly out of necessity but also partly because he seems like the next best version of Slot.

The club are a mess, don't get me wrong, but unlike with the Nuno fiasco where we went from Conte to Fonseca to Gattusso to landing Nuno, this time we've gone 1st for Slot and then secondly for Ange who are both very similar style managers. To me this is much more coherent and is much more aligned with getting us back to the Tottenham way. It also makes sense with Munn taking charge of footballing matters to bring in someone he knows.

I'm still in the Levy out camp, but if he gets Ange in this week and then we appoint a sensible DoF he can work with in the next week or so then overall I think he's done a decent job this time round,.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Can we start an Ange thread soon so all of the posts re: his tactics, players, etc can be properly sorted?

 

[SaiboT]

Quotes from Big Ange on his style of play
"Inevitably his influence (my dad) was that he loved the players that would excite so he would love a player like your dad Anthony (former Chelsea and England international Alan Hudson), and the entertainers of the time. He would always point them out to me. He loved Ferenc Puskas and the Hungarian team of the 50s and 60s. He loved Leeds United with Eddie Gray dribbling and Peter Lorimer hitting bombs. For people of today's generation I'm talking a long time ago.

"They were the people that excited him and he kept pointing them out to me. The 1974 World Cup, the Dutch team that played there, we sat up in the middle of the night because in Australia it was on then.

"I just think that somehow subliminally all of those things became a part of me and my philosophy and how I want my teams to play is just an extension of me. It's why if I've had success it's because people are willing to follow me on the journey because I'm not trying to impose something on them that I've learned or that we've seen somewhere else and I've tried to copy.

"They just see it as an extension of me. It's a lot easier to believe in something or someone when that message that's coming from them is a genuine one. It comes from them.

"So that whole upbringing of mine, when I got into coaching I sit there as a coach and I want my team to have the ball. I get no satisfaction from setting up the defensive structure that stops an opposition. That just doesn't excite me. I get excited when my team has the ball. So if that's what excites me so I set up my teams to have the ball and I set up my teams to get the ball back quickly. I set up my teams to score goals and excite.

"My father passed away two years ago and it's the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life because it made me realise how entwined he was in everything I had done in football and in life in many respects. I crystallised after he passed away that what I'm really doing is I'm putting out teams and building teams to play in a way that my dad would have enjoyed watching.

From this podcast for anyone who’s interested:

‎Masterminds - High Performance Sports: Ange Postecoglou - Success, Principles and Bravery on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Masterminds - High Performance Sports, Ep Ange Postecoglou - Success, Principles and Bravery - 12 Mar 2020

podcasts.apple.com

Okay fuck it! I want this guy to come here and take the club by storm. Make me forget about Poch, by bringing back the entertaining competitive football again.
Something that worries me tho is what players he will be able to attract?

 

[cliff jones]

looking forward to seeing what he makes of Arteta's antics, even if that'll be from behind the sofa

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Can we start an Ange thread soon so all of the posts re: his tactics, players, etc can be properly sorted?

No


This atomic shithouse of a thread was started early and like fuck is that going to be allowed to happen again, we'll have a thread when it's announced.

Not to mention can you imagine if it falls through

 

[night-watchman]

Can we start an Ange thread soon so all of the posts re: his tactics, players, etc can be properly sorted?

I am pretty sure there is an Ange motivational video out there but haven't come across it yet. Can someone post it please?

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Can we all agree with the fact Nagelsmann going to PSG with Henry as his assistant means he was definitely not right for us at this point in time?

I bet he's not demanded a particular DoF with them etc etc.
I had my reservations that he'd really really want us and this kind of confirms.
Also I think he's made some poor career decisions by jumping at BM and PSG. Both will be round again but neither fit the model he's been successful in

 

[markiespurs]

I have my doubts about big Ange due to his lack of experience in the PL. Winning the SPL with Celtic is not a winning endorsement as the SPL has been a two horse race for years. However if he gets the Spurs job I will support him.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Okay fuck it! I want this guy to come here and take the club by storm. Make me forget about Poch, by bringing back the entertaining competitive football again.
Something that worries me tho is what players he will be able to attract?

Hopefully young hungry ones. I’m all for us unearthing some talents rather than signing players with big reputations. If the players aren’t interested in playing for us then they shouldn’t be here. I think we can still attract plenty of good players and hopefully we are doing a better job behind the scenes to recruit the right players. There has been a lot of talk about using a more data driven approach to recruiting. Hopefully Ange can let the scouts and analysts know what types of players and skill sets he is looking for and we can target those players.

 

[ljinko888]

I'm not confident but wish him the best of luck. Comes across a good guy and if it does work it will be a great feel good success story considering his career route.