Match Threads Olympiacos vs Spurs - Match Thread

[Phomesy]

if we are taking making the champions league final as a win then we might as well pack up now.

Again I ask - what right does any Spurs fan have to make such an arrogant and entitled post.

Under Poch we have gone from 6th to top four; to title challengers and top four consistency.

Also under Poch we have gone from being dumped from CL at Group stage. To Quarter final. To FInal.

What the fuck is wrong with celebrating this tangible improvement? Have you ever experienced anything like it before? Has anyone done something like this in the EPL without being an Oil Slaver? On our wage budget? Transfer restrictions? (hopefully changing)

On what planet do you, apparently a Spurs fan, have the right to tell other Spurs fans that they should look at making a CL final as a "failure"?

It's really baffling.

Until you go to a game and hear the sullen silence and resentment rather than singing and support.

Then it's a major fucking issue.

Tonight was awful...we got lucky again...most of the play was shocking, it was Newcastle all over again..we thought we could just turn up and win easily. We keep getting these lessons and yet we learn nothing from them...Poch must take some of the blame but some of the performances out there tonight were woeful.

All of this could be said without shitting on the success and thrill of making last years CL final.


That's the only point I've been trying to make.

 

[TottTommy]

Weren't a great night all in all, but lets face it...at least we're not playing a load of Bulgarian fish market workers tomorrow in the Emmerdale Cup.

But if we did, we would still be capable of drawing from being two up.

"We can't expect to win every game" is oh so true, but we have only won two from the last six.

In fairness Winks is no DM and needs to play in a three or alongside a DM. At the end of the day our defending is woeful and why Poch plays Sanchez at right back is beyond me.

 

[Shadydan]

I see the usuals have come out tonight, absent after Saturday though, what a surprise...

 

[Phomesy]

Just over the last couple of pages you’ve been moaning about posters on here not agreeing with you about how big the cl final was to us last season lol

Nope. I just said it was a tangible success given where we, as a club, had been previous.

A tangible measure of improvement in this competition - the highest of competitions.

It was a statement of fact.

I didn't say - and never have said - that it means we should stop trying to improve or that Poch or anyone is immune to criticism.

Try reading the thread again mate.

 

[Gb160]

But if we did, we would still be capable of drawing from being two up.

Or swatting them aside 4-0...

 

[smallsnc]

if we are taking making the champions league final as a win then we might as well pack up now. Tonight was awful...we got lucky again...most of the play was shocking, it was Newcastle all over again..we thought we could just turn up and win easily. We keep getting these lessons and yet we learn nothing from them...Poch must take some of the blame but some of the performances out there tonight were woeful.

Actually, I think most fans on here thought we could just turn up and win easily. Their home record is ridiculous over the last 12 or 15 CL group stage matches. Remember, draw away and win at home is a pretty good formula for advancing. Liverpool won the CL but lost all of their away group stage matches.

Regarding the play today. One thing to note is that pressing only works if the team is pressing together. We effectively had 2 new players (Sanchez is being counted since he was out of position) and we were not nearly as effective when pressing as we were Saturday. Our opposition was also much better than Palace at maintaining possession. Let's see where we end up once a couple of more get fit and integrated into the side. I would rather start slow and continually improve as the season goes. Once we get to Christmas and beyond, I think the size and quality of our squad will kick in and we will show our strength the 2nd half.

 

[McFlash]

Again I ask - what right does any Spurs fan have to make such an arrogant and entitled post.

Under Poch we have gone from 6th to top four; to title challengers and top four consistency.

Also under Poch we have gone from being dumped from CL at Group stage. To Quarter final. To FInal.

What the fuck is wrong with celebrating this tangible improvement? Have you ever experienced anything like it before? Has anyone done something like this in the EPL without being an Oil Slaver? On our wage budget? Transfer restrictions? (hopefully changing)

On what planet do you, apparently a Spurs fan, have the right to tell other Spurs fans that they should look at making a CL final as a "failure"?

It's really baffling.

Until you go to a game and hear the sullen silence and resentment rather than singing and support.

Then it's a major fucking issue.




All of this could be said without shitting on the success and thrill of making last years CL final.


That's the only point I've been trying to make.

I think people are getting carried away and reading arguments into comments that aren't there.
No one can argue the progress that we've made as a club, both on and off the pitch but theres clearly some concern about the mentality of the current squad/management team.
I really don't think that people are meaning to shit on the remarkable achievement that making the CL final certainly was.
But on the other hand, it can't be seen as something to hold aloft everytime someone questions what's currently going on at the club.

We're on the brink of pushing into the big time properly but it feels like we've stalled recently, and there's a worrying trend developing.

 

[mill]

Nope. I just said it was a tangible success given where we, as a club, had been previous.

A tangible measure of improvement in this competition - the highest of competitions.

It was a statement of fact.

I didn't say - and never have said - that it means we should stop trying to improve or that Poch or anyone is immune to criticism.

Try reading the thread again mate.

Lol.

Just lol.

Shelfboy68 giving it large like he's been to a hundred Champions League finals in his time when Spurs were proper Spurs and not this transitional shit he's watching now

I get you're pain but you're expressing it like a spoiled Gooner. Do better.

If you can't celebrate it then you're just not really a supportwr. You're an expecter. Which is fine but not actually that realistic. So I Just get a bit bored by people misering over unrealistic expectations rather than celebrating tangible and real improvements ie: MAKING A FUCKING CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL.

When we get dumped out of the CL group and are 6th at Xmas you can go at with glee. But right now I still like to think I'd prefer to support the club and manager and team. cheers.

Look, I'm as worried as anyone about our ability to maintain -- or retain - the levels we showed 2016-2018 but if you just read that sentence above and don't see the utter, stupefying, unearned, unrealistic and horrifically arrogant message it sends, then there's really no hope.

Making a CL final is an ncredible achievement.

Losing a CL final is hardly a dishnour.

It's about maintaining a level that gives you a chance to make the next one that's important.

But pretending like meant nothing?

No wonder our support are so sullen and shit these days. Shudder...

That okay with you? Or do you insist that all Spurs fans have to always be fucking moaning about everything?

Dont' you ever get tired of that?

ShelfBoy68 has apparently seen us in so many CL finals he thinks making last years does not represent a tangible achievement.

Like I said I have no problem with people expressing concern I just respond when people post bollocks. Making the CL Final was an UNPRECEDENTED success. however "lucky" we were in the process.

Again I ask - what right does any Spurs fan have to make such an arrogant and entitled post.

On what planet do you, apparently a Spurs fan, have the right to tell other Spurs fans that they should look at making a CL final as a "failure"?

It's really baffling.

Until you go to a game and hear the sullen silence and resentment rather than singing and support.

Yeah sorry, my bad, you haven’t moaned about fellow posters once in this thread

 

[Phomesy]

I think people are getting carried away and reading arguments into comments that aren't there.
No one can argue the progress that we've made as a club, both on and off the pitch but theres clearly some concern about the mentality of the current squad/management team.
I really don't think that people are meaning to shit on the remarkable achievement that making the CL final certainly was.
But on the other hand, it can't be seen as something to hold aloft everytime someone questions what's currently going on at the club.

We're on the brink of pushing into the big time properly but it feels like we've stalled recently, and there's a worrying trend developing.

Agree with every word ?

 

[Bulletspur]

I think people are getting carried away and reading arguments into comments that aren't there.
No one can argue the progress that we've made as a club, both on and off the pitch but theres clearly some concern about the mentality of the current squad/management team.
I really don't think that people are meaning to shit on the remarkable achievement that making the CL final certainly was.
But on the other hand, it can't be seen as something to hold aloft everytime someone questions what's currently going on at the club.

We're on the brink of pushing into the big time properly but it feels like we've stalled recently, and there's a worrying trend developing.

Spot on!

 

[Lifelong]

Again I ask - what right does any Spurs fan have to make such an arrogant and entitled post.

Under Poch we have gone from 6th to top four; to title challengers and top four consistency.

Also under Poch we have gone from being dumped from CL at Group stage. To Quarter final. To FInal.

What the fuck is wrong with celebrating this tangible improvement? Have you ever experienced anything like it before? Has anyone done something like this in the EPL without being an Oil Slaver? On our wage budget? Transfer restrictions? (hopefully changing)

On what planet do you, apparently a Spurs fan, have the right to tell other Spurs fans that they should look at making a CL final as a "failure"?

It's really baffling.

Until you go to a game and hear the sullen silence and resentment rather than singing and support.

Then it's a major fucking issue.




All of this could be said without shitting on the success and thrill of making last years CL final.


That's the only point I've been trying to make.

Again I ask - what right does any Spurs fan have to make such an arrogant and entitled post.

Under Poch we have gone from 6th to top four; to title challengers and top four consistency.

Also under Poch we have gone from being dumped from CL at Group stage. To Quarter final. To FInal.

What the fuck is wrong with celebrating this tangible improvement? Have you ever experienced anything like it before? Has anyone done something like this in the EPL without being an Oil Slaver? On our wage budget? Transfer restrictions? (hopefully changing)

On what planet do you, apparently a Spurs fan, have the right to tell other Spurs fans that they should look at making a CL final as a "failure"?

It's really baffling.

Until you go to a game and hear the sullen silence and resentment rather than singing and support.

Then it's a major fucking issue.




All of this could be said without shitting on the success and thrill of making last years CL final.


That's the only point I've been trying to make.

Did I touch a nerve ???

 

[Phomesy]

Yeah sorry, my bad, you haven’t moaned about fellow posters once in this thread

What exactly that I’ve posted do you disagree with and why?

Do you like NWHL filled with sullen silence? Is that what you think will help drive us on to success?

Do you think it’s either factual or helpful to suggest that making a Champions League final is meaningless and shouldn’t be taken as a tangible measure of improvent given our trajectory?

In short - what actually is it you want all Spurs fans to think?

 

[The Apprentice]

On the plus side, Winks has started the season really well and Lamela looks fitter than he ever has. The non square to Kane aside, he had a great impact when he came on.

It just feels like we constantly have players playing their way back into form/fitness and not 100% sharp. You could put Alli, Eriksen, Ndombele, Vertonghen, Rose, Aurier, Davies into that pot.

Dropping Eriksen just isn't realistic at present, until Lo Celso gets fit (!). We lack brains as it is, just have to hope he can turn this slump around.

 

[mill]

What exactly that I’ve posted do you disagree with and why?

Do you like NWHL filled with sullen silence? Is that what you think will help drive us on to success?

Do you think it’s either factual or helpful to suggest that making a Champions League final is meaningless and shouldn’t be taken as a tangible measure of improvent given our trajectory?

In short - what actually is it you want all Spurs fans to think?

Only thing you’ve said that I necessarily disagree with is that you only maon about spurs fans at the games you seem to spend half your time on here moaning about spurs fans.

Anyway as fun as this has been it’s time for me to go to bed, goodnight sweet prince ??

 

[Phomesy]

Did I touch a nerve ???

I just asked you a question.

Then pointed out the the valid point you made didn't require the invalid one you opened with.

But this response tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from.

COYS

 

[Lifelong]

I just asked you a question.

Then pointed out the the valid point you made didn't require the invalid one you opened with.

But this response tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from.

COYS

So the answers yes then...

 

[1882andallthat]

I thought Sanchez at right back was OK - much improved. No major defensive problems and some forceful attacking play, albeit without inspiration.

Our problems tonight were about collective lack of focus: passing limply to the opposition and an absence of creativity, the latter mainly due to Eriksen having one of those matches where absolutely nothing he did worked.

The first Olimpiacos goal was just a great ball and a great finish. Their penalty was caused by a criminal degree of fucking around- there were at least three unchallenged opportunities to clear the ball up the pitch, but everyone arsed about.

Olimpiacos are a good team, difficult to play against. On top of our form, we would beat them, but tonight a draw was a fair result.

I agree with all of this except for the first sentence. Sanchez was not OK at RB and neither was he much improved in that position from the Arsenal game, he wasn't put in as many one on one situations in this game as compared to the NLD when trying to defend at RB, on most occasions he was he came off second best in both games.

He frequently drifted into the centre which is where he is used to defending naturally as a central defender and this left huge gaps out on the right for any attacking players to exploit, we were just fortunate that they weren't able to exploit these situations that were presented on more occasions, had this been the case we would have most probably lost this game. I sincerely hope Poch is able to watch this game back and see this, and not repeat this mistake of putting him at RB for a third time.

 

[waresy]

Wasn't the best performance but enjoyed watching the game in a little pub in Exeter and speaking to 2 spurs fans, one of whom went to the 81 final.

Would take an away point, we can and will play better and have to find our rhythm ASAP.

Liked this sign for the weekends matches in the pub... Made me chuckle

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Yes, but why are we now playing such shit football? We have been for quite a while now and it seems to be getting worse. We have the odd blip, like the Palace game, but overall, we have not been playing like we used to.
I'm beginning to worry that Poch is losing the ability to motivate this group of players - and they are his players too.

I expect the players that we have, to play the type of football that we know they're capable of.

Yes, it is worrying or at least rather confounding...

I think Poch thinks there are too many senior players in the team that - for various reasons - won't at this stage buy into his vision like they did a few years ago and that things are a bit stale due to not getting new faces in for a while.

It's a shame that we have players who are not crooning from the same hymn sheet alas. Its Poch's job to inspire and motivate- he does seem almost exasperated by each poor result like a kinda 'well what can we do?' defensiveness.

I dunno. I'm backing him because, well, what can we do?

We'll probably do the Foxes and it'll be love vibes on here again.

 

[parj]

Something doesn't feel right at the moment. Defensively, we are all over the place. This is not only Sanchez fault, we are massively lacking in leadership at the back.

We keep moving between 2 and 3 in the middle. We need 3. I would love to see NDombele, Sissoko and winks in a centre 3 playing behind Kane, Son and one other.

The other strange issue is the lack of press from the front. We give opposition a lot of time in the ball now. We just don't seem interested in pressing as a unit but other teams are now doing that.

I feel like we are carrying Eriksen more and more at times. His set pieces and overall play have not been great. Poch needs to work of Eriksen is interested or not. He seems to be playing within himself trying to avoid injuries.