Player Ratings v WBA

[Mr Pink]

Looked to me like his Ade's priorities were all wrong this summer-more interested in wrangling over money than getting some preseason training under his belt. Fuck knows how much catching up he has to do.

Far from ideal I know...just gets on my wick how our preparation always seems to be dictated by our late moves in the transfer market.

Its frustrating as fuck actually, but accepted it long ago.

 

[liam17oi]

On a positive note, Vertonghen looks like he is going to be absolutely fantastic. His chance he unfortunately fluffed was all his own doing. Pass - run, pass - run. Brilliant.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

WHERE IS THE MAN OF THE MATCH POLL?

If you're going to create a match ratings thread, you have to add a poll! Oh and it's "match ratings" rather than "matches ratings"...

My ratings:
Friedel 7
Walker 8
Gallas 6
Vertonghen 6 - not very convincing defencively
BAE 7
Lennon 7
Livermore 6
Sandro 6 - personally I thought he was worse than Livermore.
Bale 7
VDV 5
Defoe 6
Subs
Adebayor 6
Jenas 5
Sigurdsson 5

Defoe had a better game than Vdv? Did you light up your crack pipe before the game started, or before you made this post?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Far from ideal I know...just gets on my wick how our preparation always seems to be dictated by our late moves in the transfer market.

Its frustrating as fuck actually, but accepted it long ago.

I've been saying to myself that our season doesn't start until the transfer window shuts. I wasn't even remotely excited about the new season because of our lack of transfer activity. I am finally starting to become irritated with Levy. Five points down the toilet already. Can we put a price on that?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I've been saying to myself that our season doesn't start until the transfer window shuts. I wasn't even remotely excited about the new season because of our lack of transfer activity. I am finally starting to become irritated with Levy. Five points down the toilet already. Can we put a price on that?

Well 1 point cost us about 30 million last season, so 150 million?

 

[stov]

WHERE IS THE MAN OF THE MATCH POLL?

If you're going to create a match ratings thread, you have to add a poll! Oh and it's "match ratings" rather than "matches ratings"...

My ratings:
Friedel 7
Walker 8
Gallas 6
Vertonghen 6 - not very convincing defencively
BAE 7
Lennon 7
Livermore 6
Sandro 6 - personally I thought he was worse than Livermore.
Bale 7
VDV 5
Defoe 6
Subs
Adebayor 6
Jenas 5
Sigurdsson 5

Also if you are going to highlight my typo make sure you can spell first.

 

[Mr Pink]

I've been saying to myself that our season doesn't start until the transfer window shuts. I wasn't even remotely excited about the new season because of our lack of transfer activity. I am finally starting to become irritated with Levy. Five points down the toilet already. Can we put a price on that?

Totally feel the same JH....for the first time ever I actually was starting to get a little pissed off in Levy's direction today. I'm very pro Levy, still am, but really? We are throwing points because of this strategy. I know some will say we have to act like this, given our size etc - which is correct in the main, but I don't buy that 100% all the way.

I'm sure certain things could of been done in order to see us better prepared. I appreciate we can't go around fucking money about like confetti, obviously, but if we miss out on CL footie come the end of the season by two points, like you say what price do you put on that? A frigging big one.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Totally feel the same JH....for the first time ever I actually was starting to get a little pissed off in Levy's direction today. I'm very pro Levy, still am, but really? We are throwing points because of this strategy. I know some will say we have to act like this, given our size etc - which is correct in the main, but I don't buy that 100% all the way.

I'm sure certain things could of been done in order to see us better prepared. I appreciate we can't go around fucking money about like confetti, obviously, but if we miss out on CL footie come the end of the season by two points, like you say what price do you put on that? A frigging big one.

We have a few problems at the moment but a half decent striker could have papered over a lot of cracks these last 8 days. Starting the season with JD as our only senior striker has taken the biscuit and fucked us in the arse good and proper, in my opinion.

I think we looked like shite every time Ade was injured or ineligible last season.

 

[StartingPrice]

he didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't do anything.

It's just not true. He spread the ball pretty well, he put some good through balls in, he interracted well, he didn't give the ball away sloppily like Sandro did.
Was he Modric - no. But neither was Sandro! What folk are doing is assuming that Sandro would have been playing with Modric, and therefore Livermore must be replacing Modric, and judging his performance in comparison to a typical Modric performance. If you want to do that, fine - just don't call it judging Livermore's performance - it's not

 

[werty]

Friedel 7 - Couple of great saves kept us in the match at 0-0

BAE 6 - Extra mark for the header off the line (at least I think he headed it onto the crossbar), but was very poor in defensively. One of his worst games in a while. Caught on the ball a couple of times trying to be clever and let a lot of players get goal side if him. His defending when fortune turned him was conference level.
Vertonghen 7 - Pretty good debut Was left stranded with Gallas way too often in the second half, but coped well with it
Gallas 6 - Again, very little cover from his fullback or midfield and was left isolated too many times against Lukaku. Dealt with him reasonably well.
Walker 6 - Didn't do a whole lot wrong except leave Gallas on his own at time, but that's the system AVB likes to play with pushing his fullback tight on the wideman. Didn't offer much going forward either.

Sandro 7 - Broke up play well and one of the few players who left everything on the pitch.
Livermore 6 - Decent. Didn't do anything great and didn't do any terrible. He needs to play with Sandro or Parker because he's not a good enough DM.

Bale 6 - Dangerous in the first half without getting into too many goal scoring positions himself. Annonymous for too much of the second half.
VDV 6 - Decent. Don't remember him making too many chances, but made a couple of great pass to Bale.
Lennon 5 - Fluffed a couple of chances and only created one of note. Like Bale, was no where to be seen when the going got tough in the second half.

Defoe 6 - Extra point for working hard but we all know the problems with him up front on his own and we saw nothing new today.

Ade 5 - Looked like someone who hasn't play football in a few months
Sig 5 - Didn't really do anything when he came on. We needed someone to take control of possession when we went ahead and I thought he was the best candidate, but he didn't
Jenas 5 - The least said the better.

 

[StartingPrice]

Well 1 point cost us about 30 million last season, so 150 million?

Yes, but was that the one point dropped by losing to United and Citeh when we may well have lost anyway?
Or the 1 point we lost when RatKnip took his eye of the ball through whoring and England-Gate and we lost a 10 point lead, and lost dreadful games like Wolves at the Lane (when he played 4-4-2 because they said we play better with a 4-4-2 so I did that but we don't play better with a 4-4-2 and got beat)?
Or was it the point we lost that we didn't actually lose because we did actually finish fourth (FOURTH) and no-one could legislate for Chelsea having the most improbable CL victory ever seen?

 

[felmani26]

Can't say I've seen the game so can only comment from what other people have seen, coupled with the subs AVB made.

I think this was always on the cards and surprised that I'm not surprised so many people thought this would be a walk in the park fixture, along with the usual guff of 'oh we got an easy start to the season' - bollocks!

We never seem to impose ourselves for 90mins and whilst it's obvious to all that Defoe is a terrible fit in our system, this shouldn't excuse other parts of our game that are still lacking such as working hard as a team.

It's early days for AVB and will need time to stamp his ideology on this outfit, along with potentially having to address player turnover with us hopefully having much more options come 1st September.

 

[jimtheyid]

Thought Livermore was decent. But it showed us we are crying out for a Modric replacement.

 

[StartingPrice]

Thought Livermore was decent. But it showed us we are crying out for a Modric replacement.

Exactly.
I'm not arguing that folk shouldn't say we desperately need a Modric replacement - just that judging Livermore's performance, which was a good, honest performance, negatively, because he isn't Modric is wrong. Judging him on who he is and what he does - everything else is beyond his control.

 

[stov]

It's just not true. He spread the ball pretty well, he put some good through balls in, he interracted well, he didn't give the ball away sloppily like Sandro did.
Was he Modric - no. But neither was Sandro! What folk are doing is assuming that Sandro would have been playing with Modric, and therefore Livermore must be replacing Modric, and judging his performance in comparison to a typical Modric performance. If you want to do that, fine - just don't call it judging Livermore's performance - it's not

not comparing him to Modric just saying we did not need livermore and sandro hence my wasted midfielder spot comment. He did not affect the game. He was not effective from a tactical perspective and a more offensive minded player would have been helped develop our forward play more.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Yes, but was that the one point dropped by losing to United and Citeh when we may well have lost anyway?
Or the 1 point we lost when RatKnip took his eye of the ball through whoring and England-Gate and we lost a 10 point lead, and lost dreadful games like Wolves at the Lane (when he played 4-4-2 because they said we play better with a 4-4-2 so I did that but we don't play better with a 4-4-2 and got beat)?
Or was it the point we lost that we didn't actually lose because we did actually finish fourth (FOURTH) and no-one could legislate for Chelsea having the most improbable CL victory ever seen?

It was a joke buzzkillington

 

[stov]

not comparing him to Modric just saying we did not need livermore and sandro hence my wasted midfielder spot comment. He did not affect the game. He was not effective from a tactical perspective and a more offensive minded player would have been helped develop our forward play more.

Maybe I should give Sandro and Livermore a joint mark of 5.5 as they did exactly the same job. Criticism should be aimed at AVB for the tactical set up.

 

[HodisGawd]

Thought we were decent, but seemed to lack fluency and pace compared to last year. There wasn't as much movement and while we were the better side and dominated the first half we didn't really look dynamic. Bit disappointing, but let's not panic - we're still a good team we just need a striker, a bit more fitness (Verts looked knackered at the end) and a bit more oomph next time we play. Livermore was ok. Don't be so negative people. Almost shed a tear for Ledley at half time until they rammed that AWFUL kiddy song down our ears again. Holy bejesus that was bad.

 

[StartingPrice]

not comparing him to Modric just saying we did not need livermore and sandro hence my wasted midfielder spot comment. He did not affect the game. He was not effective from a tactical perspective and a more offensive minded player would have been helped develop our forward play more.

Sorry, but that's the piont. We could have done with Modric/Moutinho/whover, I'm not disagreeing with that. But Livermore was no worse, and in some ways, better (I know it's heresy) than Sandro. he played some decent balls, he made some decent tackles. he interracted well in midfield. You should judge him on who he is and what he did - unless you are going to judge Sandro negatively, too, because he isn't Modric/Moutinho/whover (but you aren't doing that).

It was a joke buzzkillington

 

[StartingPrice]

Maybe I should give Sandro and Livermore a joint mark of 5.5 as they did exactly the same job. Criticism should be aimed at AVB for the tactical set up.

Yeah...that is kinda what I was hinting at, and it was neither Sandro nor Livermore's fault that they were put on the pitch together, when they were essentially going to perform the same job