Ratings vs WBA

[ShaunL84]

Not sure why some people are criticisng Jan and Toby, Rondon is such a strong striker; he looks like a tank in real life.

As for this game, It was crap and unforgettable and Hugo got us a point, Eriksen was so poor.

What has Townsend got to do to get a game?

 

[Mr Pink]

Not sure why some people are criticisng Jan and Toby, Rondon is such a strong striker; he looks like a tank in real life.

As for this game, It was crap and unforgettable and Hugo got us a point, Eriksen was so poor.

What has Townsend got to do to get a game?

Townsend?

 

[Marty]

What has Townsend got to do to get a game?

Perform in training and reserve games. ATM he's gone way down the pecking order and rightly so.

 

[ShaunL84]

Townsend is x10 the player Njie is, Andros was one of our most dangerous players against Swansea.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Not sure why some people are criticisng Jan and Toby, Rondon is such a strong striker; he looks like a tank in real life.

As for this game, It was crap and unforgettable and Hugo got us a point, Eriksen was so poor.

What has Townsend got to do to get a game?

Go to another club

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Townsend is x10 the player Njie is, Andros was one of our most dangerous players against Swansea.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Not sure why some people are criticisng Jan and Toby, Rondon is such a strong striker; he looks like a tank in real life.

As for this game, It was crap and unforgettable and Hugo got us a point, Eriksen was so poor.

What has Townsend got to do to get a game?

Not waste the previous 60 chances he's had ?

 

[spurs-r-us]

Yup. Because that's what this threads about mate. Performances in this one game.

They were referred to as 'ghosts of their former selves'.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

They were referred to as 'ghosts of their former selves'.

In the game

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Pretty much agree with this. Dembele didn't shy away yesterday with or without the ball when others did both, so think those singling him out as the problem are way off the mark despite the fact he still has the tendency to hang onto the ball a bit.
I would've taken Alli off first as apart from the ball for Kane he went missing second half and we end up playing 442 as you say. Although quiet Lamela had started to grow into the game a bit and I would've given him another 10 minutes, moved him right with Son left and Eriksen in the middle.
Dier played like what he is, a big centre half playing centre midfield, was poor on the ball, didn't show for it enough especially second half and wasn't up to his usual defensive standard either.
The weakest part of Jan's game has always been in the air (which I guess is why he's not going up for corners this season) and the wind and Rondon caused him lots of problems.

As you say to play a bunch of shit kickers in shit conditions with a diabolical ref and dig in and get a point whilst turning in a below par performance is a massive pointer to the guts and determination this team has.
Lastly it was funny travelling back in the car and listening to Stan Collywank talking about Liverpool having a stronger squad with more depth and them being potential title challengers...how did they get on today?

I have to be honest Steve, Liverpool worry me. I do think our squads are quite evenly matched but I do think they have just a smidgen more quality in forward areas, and though I am happy with Poch, I do think Klopp is further down the evolutionary chain.

 

[sloth]

I have to be honest Steve, Liverpool worry me. I do think our squads are quite evenly matched but I do think they have just a smidgen more quality in forward areas, and though I am happy with Poch, I do think Klopp is further down the evolutionary chain.

Shouldn't that be further up the evolutionary chain?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Shouldn't that be further up the evolutionary chain?

possibly, or further up the evolutionary path.

 

[Database]

Townsend is x10 the player Njie is, Andros was one of our most dangerous players against Swansea.

I've been thinking the same thing. Lyon absolutely robbed us. Townsend is a good player who can offer something different when you compare him to Lamela/Son/Chadli/N'Jie. He should play more often.

 

[Anurag Jo]

Townsend is x10 the player Njie is, Andros was one of our most dangerous players against Swansea.

On what basis do you say that?Have you even seen enough of Njie yet to make that kind of statement?

 

[Lilbaz]

Shouldn't that be further up the evolutionary chain?

Do we evolve upwards or downwards?

Is it along the evolutionary path? Does it have a destination?

I'm confused

 

[steve]

I have to be honest Steve, Liverpool worry me. I do think our squads are quite evenly matched but I do think they have just a smidgen more quality in forward areas, and though I am happy with Poch, I do think Klopp is further down the evolutionary chain.

I think klopp is but Liverpool aren't if that makes sense. They've pressed impressively in his first few games but not with the same alacrity since and they were terrible against Newcastle mostly. Apart from the City game they've struggled to create much going forward and I think they still have the same pretty large defensive problems they had under Rodgers.

They'll get better but next season is the earliest they'll be a proper cohesive outfit - I think they're at the stage we were last season. I also think we'll get better this season.

Outside of the constantly injured Sturridge I'd be interested in your reasoning about their forward options being of slightly better quality. They've more depth at striker but the rest?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think klopp is but Liverpool aren't if that makes sense. They've pressed impressively in his first few games but not with the same alacrity since and they were terrible against Newcastle mostly. Apart from the City game they've struggled to create much going forward and I think they still have the same pretty large defensive problems they had under Rodgers.

They'll get better but next season is the earliest they'll be a proper cohesive outfit - I think they're at the stage we were last season. I also think we'll get better this season.

Outside of the constantly injured Sturridge I'd be interested in your reasoning about their forward options being of slightly better quality. They've more depth at striker but the rest?

On reflection I think you are probably right, (I just had a look at the stats too to see if they supported my theory, and they don't) but I do think we are pretty evenly matched teams and have been for a while now. They do have a better group of strikers but then you can only play one at a time in both our systems most of the time and I wouldn't swap any of theirs for Kane, because I don't think Sturridge is a better fit for Klopp's system than kane is for ours, even though he's a better finisher and cleverer player.

 

[steve]

On reflection I think you are probably right, (I just had a look at the stats too to see if they supported my theory, and they don't) but I do think we are pretty evenly matched teams and have been for a while now. They do have a better group of strikers but then you can only play one at a time in both our systems most of the time and I wouldn't swap any of theirs for Kane, because I don't think Sturridge is a better fit for Klopp's system than kane is for ours, even though he's a better finisher and cleverer player.

Agree that the sides/squads are of similar quality and also with your Kane comments. Understandably he won't have them how he wants them yet and we're definitely in a healthier place in terms of a cohesive team both defensively and offensively and importantly in spirit. I doubt we would've lost to Newcastle on Sunday (cue us losing to Newcastle on Sunday), which says a lot for the mentality of this group of players. It'll take clipperty a while to achieve the same I think.

 

[Colston]

I have to be honest Steve, Liverpool worry me. I do think our squads are quite evenly matched but I do think they have just a smidgen more quality in forward areas, and though I am happy with Poch, I do think Klopp is further down the evolutionary chain.

Charismatic leadership has a few faults though, if employees start feeling that they aren't getting their due rewards the effects will start to fade rapidly. It's a point of contention among organizational leadership theory, but the empiric studies seem to suggest that it is in fact the case. I have a feeling this, along with Bayern nicking a few players was what led to Dortmunds disastrous follow up season.

While Pochettino relies on work ethic and achieving set goals that are ambitious but still very achievable, and is consistent in his approach for doing so, using the approach behind the balanced scorecard (he talks about balance a lot) and what is more like authoritarian leadership, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as the biggest weakness of that style is that it is very centralised, so employees may end up feeling dismayed at the fact that they do not get to make any decisions, but you can't compare a football team to a traditional organization.

Not saying this is exactly how they operate, and as I said it's hard to do a side-by-side comparison of regular organizational theory and a football team but it's just my impression being a huge fan of the leadership styles used by both Klopp and Poch.

 

[steve]

Charismatic leadership has a few faults though, if employees start feeling that they aren't getting their due rewards the effects will start to fade rapidly. It's a point of contention among organizational leadership theory, but the empiric studies seem to suggest that it is in fact the case. I have a feeling this, along with Bayern nicking a few players was what led to Dortmunds disastrous follow up season.

While Pochettino relies on work ethic and achieving set goals that are ambitious but still very achievable, and is consistent in his approach for doing so, using the approach behind the balanced scorecard (he talks about balance a lot) and what is more like authoritarian leadership, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as the biggest weakness of that style is that it is very centralised, so employees may end up feeling dismayed at the fact that they do not get to make any decisions, but you can't compare a football team to a traditional organization.

Not saying this is exactly how they operate, and as I said it's hard to do a side-by-side comparison of regular organizational theory and a football team but it's just my impression being a huge fan of the leadership styles used by both Klopp and Poch.

Can you surmise your post in planer English please? I've read it 3 times and am struggling to understand your point outside of clipperty and charisma being a potential problem. The second paragraph is especially bewildering.

Thanks,

Steve