Match Threads Sheffield United vs Spurs - Match Thread

[danielneeds]

Total rebuild needed, just like Poch said over 12 months ago...

Never gonna happen, though, is it? It's gonna get so much worse.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

That's the problem. He ain't getting no financial support.

Well done, Levy....again

the only problem with this is ...

...Sheffield has WAY LESS money and we lost by three to them. today was not a financial failure.

 

[Springerding]

Are we seriously going to start screeching that this rot started when we got rid of Poch?

Really?

Levy and Poch’s arrogance, complacency and sheer incompetence in the transfer market over multiple are where this decline began.

It accelerated in Poch’s final year (one away win in almost a year, remember that?) and no manager is going to turn it round in a short space of time, the rot has sunk so deep.

We need wholesale change, beginning at the top. And we do not need fucking Poch back, no matter how loudly the hardcore Pochettes scream and shout and wear their collective memory loss on their snot-drenched sleeves.

Spot on, when you have a five year plan you have to realise that after the 4/5th year you're 27 year olds are going to be in their 30's and if you do not add some quality younger players each year to bed in & take over you're doomed, i think you're right about the arrogance & complacency, when we knew Eriksen was not going to sign a new contract and we had the chance to sign Bruno Fernandes we should have signed him but Levy is money motivated and he has always let us down since day one repeating mistakes all the time. I can not wait till the day they sell up.

 

[SpursD22]

I'd keep lucas but only throw him on if we are desperate. Doesnt offer much as a starter, we need intelligent players around kane.

We need money, he has to go. And Jose loves him so much he would still be a starter

 

[Trix]

Can't really blame the manager for that imo.

Lack of movement up front, and very poor marking at the back.

Schoolboy football from a team full of internationals that no amount of tactical brilliance could change. Shocking from the players today, not even able to get the absolute basics right.

Hope Jose fires the f*cos into them all the way back.

 

[SuperPav10]

I have some things to say:

1. First half was okay.
2. We were especially unlucky with the disallowed goal.
3. Lucas has no good position. Sell.
4. What's wrong with Son? (And don't say it's because he now has defensive responsibilities, going forward he looks indecisive & extremely wasteful).
5. Sissoko is fast and athletic, but that's all.
6. Everyone's pandering to Kane. Others can shoot, right? Why aren't they?
7. Lamela is incredibly wasteful. Work-rate alone doesn't make up for that. Sell.
8. Aurier can't and won't defend. 1/10 crosses lands where it should. Should be 2nd choice.
9. Pretty sure that IS Dele's brother after all.
10. Dier & Sanchez are both too easy to draw into personal battles, leading to lapses in concentration.
11. Ndombele needs time but won't fix half of the problems you think it will.
12. We're too easy to defend against.
13. We have pace but don't use it.
14. Stop talking about Poch, he couldn't and didn't want to try to fix this.
15. Mou is being let down by the players. This is not his team.
16. Give him what he wants in the summer.
17. I think that's all.

 

[bubble07]

Not a lot. We could sack him but what difference would that make in the long term, not much. It doesn't matter who's in charge, he'll only be hamstrung by ego, transfer policy and outright tightness. There's only one constant in this whole sad scenario and it beggars belief that he still gets such an easy ride. The urgent change isn't the manager. I'm starting to lean toward a change of owner and philosophy, but at the same time being careful what I wish for.

If they were to sell up now and get owners who are solely interested with success on the pitch I will be extremely grateful at what they have done. If ENIC stay on it could start to get toxic

 

[amity498]

Give it two years and what has been built will be ripped apart, stadium half empty... naming rights unsold.. Nike will be gone. The place will become amazing venue for none football. Player are going to wonder why stick around any more and will picked off slowly.

 

[rossdapep]

Not a lot. We could sack him but what difference would that make in the long term, not much. It doesn't matter who's in charge, he'll only be hamstrung by ego, transfer policy and outright tightness. There's only one constant in this whole sad scenario and it beggars belief that he still gets such an easy ride. The urgent change isn't the manager. I'm starting to lean toward a change of owner and philosophy, but at the same time being careful what I wish for.

I think your leanings are right. We won't win a single pot to piss in with Levy at the helm.

He brought Jose in cause he thought it was the cheapest, least riskiest option. He felt the players were fine but needed a coach who could get them performing again. No player investment needed. I made the same mistake to suggest this but it's becoming clear we needed significant investment.

When your chairman lacks the cajones to be brave and 'go for it' you're always on a run to nothing.

Ndombele? Lo Celso? Too little too late.

 

[Saoirse]

These players are finished:
Vorm
Toby
Jan
Rose

These players needs to get sold:
Aurier
Lucas
Foyth (I like him)

Add in Son and Kane - both are far, far too good for us and it's never any use having an unhappy player around. The problem is that the bloke who'd be reinvesting that money bought Lindelof, Bailey, Dalot and Fred while selling Lukaku, De Bruyne, Bonucci and Salah.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

Sat at work all day waiting to watch the game, just feel so deflated now.
Lo celso wasn't on it and as a result there was no creativity against a side who weren't going to be easy to break down.
Aurier shows no desire to defend its laughable.

 

[bubble07]

Can't really blame the manager for that imo.

Lack of movement up front, and very poor marking at the back.

Schoolboy football from a team full of internationals that no amount of tactical brilliance could change. Shocking from the players today, not even able to get the absolute basics right.

Hope Jose fires the f*cos into them all the way back.

I agree cant blame mangar with the defending but I am concerned the lack of attacking movement is partly his "defensive process"

 

[idontgetit]

Lo Celso had a poor game but really we need all of our creative players on the pitch. Him, Lamela, N'Dombele. A CB who can pass the ball.

 

[lis spur]

Wow...thats smacks of pre-match bias to me. But we'll have to agree to disagree

I suppose we will,he among many others isnt the answer,from the top down.

 

[Saoirse]

I think your leanings are right. We won't win a single pot to piss in with Levy at the helm.

He brought Jose in cause he thought it was the cheapest, least riskiest option. He felt the players were fine but needed a coach who could get them performing again. No player investment needed. I made the same mistake to suggest this but it's becoming clear we needed significant investment.

When your chairman lacks the cajones to be brave and 'go for it' you're always on a run to nothing.

Ndombele? Lo Celso? Too little too late.

Cheapest?! The bloke's on £300k per week and we have one of the highest net spends in the world this football. Unless you reckon Levy told Poch he was absolutely no allowed to spend £40m on first-team defenders and was obliged to spend it on players from the Championship instead, and insisted he chose Ndombele over Bruno too.

 

[Stedt]

We had a former Manager, may be one of the best in the world, who loves the club, who promised loyalty to us, who made history, who change the Club's mind and made us a competitive team in England and Europe, but we fired him just for a bad beginning of the season.
And a few days later, we hired the third most expensive manager in the world... JUST FOR THIS? Just for have central backs who have the agility of a light pole? Just for be out of the Europa League?

Where would we be today if we hadn't had Poch? What would happen to Kane, Dele, Walker, Dier without him?

Dear Daniel Levy: spending money isn't enough to be a great club.

 

[C0YS]

First half that was largely cause our forward line have awful decision making, we got into loads of good positions but whether it's Sissoko not knowing what to do, Lucas running across the player with the ball or Son over complicating things we managed to fluff it up. United would have been comfortably 2-0 up at HT.

Because Jose started with all our runners, he made it harder to change the game.

You should alwats have the creativity start the game - as much as possible. Then add a bit more pace for when the game stretches out. Starting with all of Son, Lucas, Sissoko and Bergwijn was a bad decision.

He'd made the right starting 11 in the last two games, I don't know why he changed it so much.

Lucas should only be on the bench from now on, Bergwijn is more intelligent.

Now that top 4 is gone, he needs to play Ndombele as much as possible and plan for next season.

Again, Jose's problem is he changes it according to the game. He obviously felt Sheffield struggle when players run at them, and I'm sure that's true and it sort of worked in the first half, but something was missing. Second half they got super organised, and that's always difficult but we move the ball too slowly.

I think we should have set up more or less the same as well, I didn't think Lucas did badly at all, and think if Lucas was the new signing you might be making the opposite claim. Son had the worst game out of the three but I think Bergwijn and Lucas should be playing in rotation.

I think your right because we didn't have anyone fresh to run at them from the bench, and in the end we had the opposite problem. But they were playing so deep. What I'm more confused about was how mixed it up going more direct. Maybe we knew that Sheffield are good at those kind of balls, but you need to mix it up. Similarly, if we were crossing it a lot more, change things a bit more, even bring a CB forward if needed, because Kane is out there alone.

 

[idontgetit]

And someone needs to tell Moura to get his head up and pass the second he beats a player. The amount of times he opens the game up with a turn or dribble and then just walks into five players. Pass the fucking ball. Same with Lamela at times.

 

[rossdapep]

the only problem with this is ...

...Sheffield has WAY LESS money and we lost by three to them. today was not a financial failure.

Sheffield United have a fresh and motivated squad. We have some players who thought they were going (Toby, Dier, Serge) and others who should have gone and now others who are probably looking at the exit door.

A lot of this is not down to Jose, he certainly messed up the starting 11 today but the squad is a mess and we all know why.

 

[bubble07]

Until Mourinho sorts out our system we will continue to get results like this. We have a right back who plays as a winger but has a poor final ball. A left back who doesn't attack. No defensive midfielder. A midfielder who can't pass, shoot or hold his position. An unbalanced front 4 who leave us outnumbered in midfield and all play as individuals. A striker who doesn't link up play. A winger who blows hot and cold. Another winger who plays with his head down and just runs into trouble. Apart from that we look ok.

Agree with all except striker who doesnt link play. That comment is stupid