Souness trying to fix the draw?

[Archibald&Crooks]

The day they do away with question marks I reckon you'll top yourself.

 

[mark87]

It does beg the question, why isn't it a transparent pot? And why the fuck is it ex footballers who have their team in the comp? Why is it footballers at all? Why not the Football League official who is standing next to them off camera?

Agree. I think for the earlier rounds it's ok to do it with ex-footballers as there are just so many teams involved, but doing with them when there are only four teams to choose from is bloody ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if Souness and Redknapp had had a chat to try and get Liverpool and Sheff Utd paired together before they did they draw.

 

[E.L.Strict]

Any videos of the whole draw with original sound?

 

[BillyWhizz]

Any videos of the whole draw with original sound?

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[whitechina]

thanks for posting this- it made my day

 

[E.L.Strict]

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Thank you, all I noticed the first time was the funny scouse commentary one.

 

[parklane1]

Watching that again I don't think they could have fixed it, But it was a more a 'FFS' look.

Sense at last

 

[E.L.Strict]

Heehee.

I have to be honest, Souness comes across as dodgy as fuck in this video.

The main suspicious action for me is the way he looks at the "balls" before he puts them in.

Notice the balls are laid out in front of Souness in number order. Skip the video to 3:15 and watch on. This list is in ascending order of tenuousness.

1. He grabs the balls, still in the perfect line they had originally. As he picks them up he turns his hand and this disorients him and he no longer knows which ball is which. So he stalls, and clearly checks the numbers again before putting them in. If he intends on being honest, there is NO reason for him to do this.

2. No balls rattle when Souness picks, possibly because he knows where the one wants is. What kind of drawer doesn't rattle the choices before picking one?! Perhaps one who needs the balls to be in a certain position (as below).

3. As he stalls to check the numbers as per 1, Jamie throws him off by saying "are you nervous?" This, and his needing to check the balls disorients him even further. Now he says "Yeah..I'm...the hot one. There's a hot one." This is clearly a reference to the theory that UEFA manipulates cup draws by using heated balls. Had this been joked about previously on the program? If not, I would suggest that he has hung himself. He was disoriented and panicked, and then forced to make some impromptu banter. For some reason draw fixing was in his subconscious.

4. Souness' expression is far too accusatory to be considered just annoyance at a random event. In these situations on television, the pundits usually share their frustrations about the draw with the host and audience, by way of an inclusive stance and some humour about their displeasure. Souness' look to Redknapp was intended as a private one, imo.

5. Souness is a ****.

Anyway, as the bowl is opaque, it isn't difficult to figure out what the plan was, IF it existed.

When Souness grabs the numbers he holds them with his fingertips as though he is fingering a trumpet, and he simply pinches the numbers he wants (3 and 2) and releases the other two balls into the bowl to make the rattling sound. With 1 and 4 hopefully pushed to the edge, he carefully places 2 and 3 in the middle, and takes 3.(Remember the "balls" are square so won't roll.)

This leaves Redknapp with the (slightly more difficult) task of quickly identifying the middle ball, palming it and then stirring the remaining balls to make the rattling. He then presents the palmed ball, number 2, leaving Spurs and Chelsea in the bowl.

So I think there are 3 possibilities:

1. Souness and Redknapp agreed to fix it but failed.
2. Souness and Redknapp weren't in complete agreement, and Redknapp decided against it.
3. The above is mere coincidence.

For the record, I think you would need to have your head in the sand to believe that it is 3.

 

[Spurger King]

Heehee.

I have to be honest, Souness comes across as dodgy as fuck in this video.

The main suspicious action for me is the way he looks at the "balls" before he puts them in.

Notice the balls are laid out in front of Souness in number order. Skip the video to 3:15 and watch on. This list is in ascending order of tenuousness.

1. He grabs the balls, still in the perfect line they had originally. As he picks them up he turns his hand and this disorients him and he no longer knows which ball is which. So he stalls, and clearly checks the numbers again before putting them in. If he intends on being honest, there is NO reason for him to do this.

2. No balls rattle when Souness picks, possibly because he knows where the one wants is. What kind of drawer doesn't rattle the choices before picking one?! Perhaps one who needs the balls to be in a certain position (as below).

3. As he stalls to check the numbers as per 1, Jamie throws him off by saying "are you nervous?" This, and his needing to check the balls disorients him even further. Now he says "Yeah..I'm...the hot one. There's a hot one." This is clearly a reference to the theory that UEFA manipulates cup draws by using heated balls. Had this been joked about previously on the program? If not, I would suggest that he has hung himself. He was disoriented and panicked, and then forced to make some impromptu banter. For some reason draw fixing was in his subconscious.

4. Souness' expression is far too accusatory to be considered just annoyance at a random event. In these situations on television, the pundits usually share their frustrations about the draw with the host and audience, by way of an inclusive stance and some humour about their displeasure. Souness' look to Redknapp was intended as a private one, imo.

5. Souness is a ****.

Anyway, as the bowl is opaque, it isn't difficult to figure out what the plan was, IF it existed.

When Souness grabs the numbers he holds them with his fingertips as though he is fingering a trumpet, and he simply pinches the numbers he wants (3 and 2) and releases the other two balls into the bowl to make the rattling sound. With 1 and 4 hopefully pushed to the edge, he carefully places 2 and 3 in the middle, and takes 3.(Remember the "balls" are square so won't roll.)

This leaves Redknapp with the (slightly more difficult) task of quickly identifying the middle ball, palming it and then stirring the remaining balls to make the rattling. He then presents the palmed ball, number 2, leaving Spurs and Chelsea in the bowl.

So I think there are 3 possibilities:

1. Souness and Redknapp agreed to fix it but failed.
2. Souness and Redknapp weren't in complete agreement, and Redknapp decided against it.
3. The above is mere coincidence.

For the record, I think you would need to have your head in the sand to believe that it is 3.

Easy there Sherlock

I'd love it if they did actually try to fix it, only to balls it us (literally) and hand us the easier fixture. Don't think they did though.

It's certainly a system that is open for abuse though. I don't see why they can't use a similar system to the lottery, with numbered balls in a transparent case leaving no room for doubt.

 

[guiltyparty]

Heehee.

I have to be honest, Souness comes across as dodgy as fuck in this video.

The main suspicious action for me is the way he looks at the "balls" before he puts them in.

Notice the balls are laid out in front of Souness in number order. Skip the video to 3:15 and watch on. This list is in ascending order of tenuousness.

1. He grabs the balls, still in the perfect line they had originally. As he picks them up he turns his hand and this disorients him and he no longer knows which ball is which. So he stalls, and clearly checks the numbers again before putting them in. If he intends on being honest, there is NO reason for him to do this.

2. No balls rattle when Souness picks, possibly because he knows where the one wants is. What kind of drawer doesn't rattle the choices before picking one?! Perhaps one who needs the balls to be in a certain position (as below).

3. As he stalls to check the numbers as per 1, Jamie throws him off by saying "are you nervous?" This, and his needing to check the balls disorients him even further. Now he says "Yeah..I'm...the hot one. There's a hot one." This is clearly a reference to the theory that UEFA manipulates cup draws by using heated balls. Had this been joked about previously on the program? If not, I would suggest that he has hung himself. He was disoriented and panicked, and then forced to make some impromptu banter. For some reason draw fixing was in his subconscious.

4. Souness' expression is far too accusatory to be considered just annoyance at a random event. In these situations on television, the pundits usually share their frustrations about the draw with the host and audience, by way of an inclusive stance and some humour about their displeasure. Souness' look to Redknapp was intended as a private one, imo.

5. Souness is a ****.

Anyway, as the bowl is opaque, it isn't difficult to figure out what the plan was, IF it existed.

When Souness grabs the numbers he holds them with his fingertips as though he is fingering a trumpet, and he simply pinches the numbers he wants (3 and 2) and releases the other two balls into the bowl to make the rattling sound. With 1 and 4 hopefully pushed to the edge, he carefully places 2 and 3 in the middle, and takes 3.(Remember the "balls" are square so won't roll.)

This leaves Redknapp with the (slightly more difficult) task of quickly identifying the middle ball, palming it and then stirring the remaining balls to make the rattling. He then presents the palmed ball, number 2, leaving Spurs and Chelsea in the bowl.

So I think there are 3 possibilities:

1. Souness and Redknapp agreed to fix it but failed.
2. Souness and Redknapp weren't in complete agreement, and Redknapp decided against it.
3. The above is mere coincidence.

For the record, I think you would need to have your head in the sand to believe that it is 3.

"You nearly messed that bit up didn't you?"

I think it's just Souness, to be fair to Redknapp. He doesn't look that bothered and as you say is kind of negging Souness all the way through. There's clearly something very suss about pretty much everything Souness does, it really is a bizarre display

But regardless of conspiracy theories, if they weren't both heavily tied to a team, this suspicion - justified or otherwise - wouldn't arise. Use a lottery machine as said above. This is archaic, and football seems to give the tiniest shit about history in other ways, so why hold on to this?

 

[mano-obe]

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and think he's just pissed off they've been drawn against Chelsea rather than being pissed off at Jamie, considering Souness is a big Liverpool fan. I'm sure that's how our faces would have been if we had drawn Chelsea

I don't see much of a conspiracy, you'd have to act really quick and calm and feel each ball individually which Jamie isn't capable of doing, there is more chance of Adebayor running 15km in a match

 

[mano-obe]

Souness: I've put a tiny bit of blu-tak on Liverpool's and Sheffield United's ball
Jamie: OK boss!!
Souness: Just take out the other ball with blu-tak, I'll take out the first one
Jamie: OK boss!!
Souness: That way we get an easy tie to the final OK?
Jamie: OK boss!!

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The draw
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Sky Sports Presenter: Thanks Souey, Liverpool at home, your turn Jamie!
Jamie: Chelsea!!!!!!!
Souness: You daft bastard!!!!!!

 

[mattstev2000]

Narf! What are we going to do tonight Graeme?

The same thing we do every night Jamie, try to make Liverpool look good...

 

[sim0n]

You mean you could hear him still holding all 4 blocks in the same position in his hand whilst swiping them in a circle around the inside of the pot? The pot we can't see in so we can't see what he's up to (unlike the FA Cup draws)?

He knew what he was doing. He wasn't even going to take his hand out until he was asked.

Doesn't mean it's a conspiracy though - must be hard to plan something like that with Dimmy Redknee as your partner-in-fail. Not the sort of bloke you'd want to be relying on dealing with the silent alarm in a bank robbery.

"But if it's silent, no-one will 'ear it will dey? So we dan't have to worry 'bout it?"
"That's just not how things work, Jamie, as I keep telling you..."

Bwahahahahahahaha,... these geezers are retired footballers, not seasoned street magicians -- C'mon Now!!!

 

[spursfan77]

Doesn't seem to have got much coverage in the media. Mind you I don't suppose they can go round accusing people of cheating.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I was wondering ... Is anyone else taking about this or just us?