Strikers

[DEFchenkOE]

Hang on a minute, a few weeks ago when all our strikers were fit and scoring everybody was saying we don't need to buy a striker in January.

Talk about fickle.

I agree, I do find it funny when I come on here after we've lost a game. I remember before lots of people were saying O'Hara is rubbish and is never gonna make it at Spurs, now everyone saying he should be starting.

About a month ago people were starting Pav threads about how good he was, now all of a sudden he's shit. After Campbell scored a few against Pool and against Fulham he should've been starting ahead of Bent according to alot on here, now he should be shipped back in Jan.

For me Bent is a good striker and Pav and Campbell are ok, not great just ok. So Campbell missed a few chances but every striker does. We could do with a target man but whether we can get someone in or not is another story. Do people honestly think RSC will swap one relegation battle for another? If he does, it will be to City, not to us.

 

[bubble07]

pav and campbell are not good enough but i do rate bent. I would like kanoute and defoe back and have those 2 and bent rotate for positions

 

[VegasII]

Pav: knackered & new
Campbell: inexperienced
Bent: hit & miss

Defoe coming back would be helfpul...let's hope if he does he can do what he did when he first signed for us.

 

[spurs4europe]

I still rate Pavluychenko above either Bent or Campbell.

The difference is that I think Bent is the best when it comes to playing in an isolated role since he's very fast and doesn't have to link up with another striker.

Get in another decent striker who can play the second striker role as well as Keane and who can link up the frontman with the midfield and I think Pavluychenko will do well. It would also encourage the rest of our team to play higher up the field and let Pavluychenko play nearer the box, which is where his real quality lies.

The reason I believe it's not working right now is that Pavluychenko is not the quickest and is getting too isolated since our midfield tends to drop back too far. Furthermore, this is compounded by Modric playing as a freely roaming central midfielder and not the second striker he should be so Pavluychenko gets more and more isolated. I think this is also due to Modric's natural desire to get on the ball as much as possible and since our midfield is so bad at getting it forward (there is so little movement from the rest of our team) that Modric has to drop back to get it and become more influential.

Modric is fantastic, but he's not a second striker. I believe he should be moved back to the central midfield (I've said this before) and played along side a strong defensive midfielder, just like Fabregas for the l'Arse. I think he has come to terms with the PL now and it would allow him to be more influential whilst also making us more potent as we would be able to get the ball out to the wings and forward line quicker, whilst also allowing us to play two strikers.

Just imaging a team of Modric in the centre with Keane and Berbatov up front makes me salivate. What a shame it couldn't be realised.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I still rate Pavluychenko above either Bent or Campbell.


The reason I believe it's not working right now is that Pavluychenko is not the quickest and is getting too isolated since our midfield tends to drop back too far. Furthermore, this is compounded by Modric playing as a freely roaming central midfielder and not the second striker he should be so Pavluychenko gets more and more isolated. I think this is also due to Modric's natural desire to get on the ball as much as possible and since our midfield is so bad at getting it forward (there is so little movement from the rest of our team) that Modric has to drop back to get it and become more influential.

Modric is fantastic, but he's not a second striker. I believe he should be moved back to the central midfield (I've said this before) and played along side a strong defensive midfielder, just like Fabregas for the l'Arse. I think he has come to terms with the PL now and it would allow him to be more influential whilst also making us more potent as we would be able to get the ball out to the wings and forward line quicker, whilst also allowing us to play two strikers.

Just imaging a team of Modric in the centre with Keane and Berbatov up front makes me salivate. What a shame it couldn't be realised.

I agree that there is little movement from our unbalanced midfield, this has been a problem for us for a fewyears now, nothing new.

Which strong dm do you think we should get?

 

[General Levy]

I don't understand where all the people see the quality in Pavlyuchenko. He has been totally lost since he's come here. He is very weak, he has poor touch, he looks like a championship player.

He is no way better than Bent; and it isn't even close IMHO. That is the sad part.

 

[spurs4europe]

I agree that there is little movement from our unbalanced midfield, this has been a problem for us for a fewyears now, nothing new.

Which strong dm do you think we should get?

I don't know. Since I was on the Arsenal comparison, is Flamini honestly a tough defensive midfielder? I think he's more a CM and is not that tough.

I think in a two man midfielder you either need a completely dominant in the tackle midfielder, who can then lay it off to the more creative central midfielder or one who has a bit of bite but can also play a bit too. I think the second option is the easier to come up with in terms of players, but the important thing is to find a player who complements Modric.

As for recommending players, I'm afraid I can't as I don't watch enough football other than Spurs to recommend others. Anyone got any suggestions?

 

[michaelden]

I don't think the strikers are the problem its how they are being supported and used

 

[spurs4europe]

I don't understand where all the people see the quality in Pavlyuchenko. He has been totally lost since he's come here. He is very weak, he has poor touch, he looks like a championship player.

He is no way better than Bent; and it isn't even close IMHO. That is the sad part.

Because as soon as we play two strikers up front, Bent becomes completely lost himself and doesn't add any value.

I doubt we're going to stick with the 4-5-1 in the longer term as quite simply we don't have the players for it and I don't believe we're going to overhaul the entire squad.

If you've watched Pavluychenko you would have seen that he clearly isn't suited to playing the 4-5-1 and often tries to link up with the players closest to him, but due to playing up front by himself is often overpowered by two strong defenders. If we were to play another striker up with him, one who actually remained close to him, I believe the extra bit of space created would actually allow Pavluychenko to then go and express himself and actually allow us to retain possession.

We might also be able to play further up the pitch as a result and allow Pav to play closer to the box, which is where he really comes alive.

On the other hand, Bent does not have the guile to play in a more closely packed area when the whole team pushes further up the field. He is also not particularly good at linking up with team mates as his first touch isn't top quality.

Bent is best when we play deeper, encouraging the opposing team to push further up the field, allowing us to hoof the ball over the top and Bent to run on to it. This is just long ball counter-attacking football and it's rubbish.

 

[There's always next year]

I don't understand where all the people see the quality in Pavlyuchenko. He has been totally lost since he's come here. He is very weak, he has poor touch, he looks like a championship player.

He is no way better than Bent; and it isn't even close IMHO. That is the sad part.

Totally agree. We've been mugged for £13m by the flithy Russians. He is a big, big disappointment. Considering we had Berbatov, Keane, Defoe and bent last year to now have Pav, Bent and Campbell is heartbreaking.

 

[ILS]

Campbell will go back to Utd at the end of the season and then be sold to Wigan or Hull which is where he belongs. It make's me laugh when people say Fergie want's to keep him, yet tried to flog him to both Hull and Wigan hours before we got desperate.

As for Pav he needs a partner and time. Drogba was crap in his first season so was Vidic and Evra. Some players need time to bed in, learn the language and get a good pre season behind them.

 

[There's always next year]

Campbell will go back to Utd at the end of the season and then be sold to Wigan or Hull which is where he belongs. It make's me laugh when people say Fergie want's to keep him, yet tried to flog him to both Hull and Wigan hours before we got desperate.

As for Pav he needs a partner and time. Drogba was crap in his first season so was Vidic and Evra. Some players need time to bed in, learn the language and get a good pre season behind them.

Drogba may have struggled first season, but at least he was strong enoughto hold the ball up, won the odd header and looked interested.

 

[southgatespur40]

Zaki can't join anyone in Jan, and besides he hasn't done much for the last couple of months anyway. Bent's incredibly underrated, Pav and Fraizer are woeful though.

thats because he has been injured for the past few months.

 

[VegasII]

Drogba hadn't played half a European Championship & half a season in Russia.

Pav's probably fucking knackered.

All this talk of strikers & I'm now known as Chiv. Time machine transfer, please.

 

[spurdownunder]

Hang on a minute, a few weeks ago when all our strikers were fit and scoring everybody was saying we don't need to buy a striker in January.

Talk about fickle.

No most of us are sledging Campbell because he's a Manc player who couldn't give 2 fucks about Spurs.

He's overrated, overpaid and doesn't try hard enough in a Spurs shirt.

I rate Bent. Pav is getting there and both have scored lots of goals this year.

Campbell can jump in from of the next Victoria Line Tube for all I care.

 

[doubledecker]

Problem is that we have only one striker at the club who knows how to play up front on his own. It's not Bent , not Campbell, not Pav. No it's ......






Clive Allen.

Oh, and Joe Jordan probably ought to be our no 2 choice.

 

[Wsussexspur]

I blame les Ferdinand! Ever since he came in a few weeks ago as the strikers coaching consultent the goals seem to have dried up lol!

I see Pavs getting alot of abuse on here. I like him think he is good player however the one big worry I have about him is complete lack of pace, its no good knocking balls over top for him to chase as he seems to have no change of speed to chase the ball!

Campbell is just very inexperienced and I think he is playing with a slight knock.

Been interesting to see how Bent would have done today, think I would have backed him to score at least one of the chances Pav and Campbell missed!

Ive got no doubt Harry will buy a new striker in January who that will be though I have no idea. Cant see the RSC happening as cant see him going anywhere else part from City, Also think he might be bit of risk for money we they are talking about for him as his injury record at Bayen Munich was awful hence why Blackburn got him so cheap last summer. Im not sure on the Defoe rumours as one minute the papers are saying Portsmouth are skint and have to sell him. The next they are saying Portsmouth want to sign Zokora for £10 million! As for Ashavin sorry to that guy on here who is weirdly obsessed with him but just cant see that deal happening.

 

[fortworthspur]

thread is dead on. Damien Duff can turn a game and we have nothing.

 

[Black]

I still rate Pavluychenko above either Bent or Campbell.

The difference is that I think Bent is the best when it comes to playing in an isolated role since he's very fast and doesn't have to link up with another striker.

Get in another decent striker who can play the second striker role as well as Keane and who can link up the frontman with the midfield and I think Pavluychenko will do well. It would also encourage the rest of our team to play higher up the field and let Pavluychenko play nearer the box, which is where his real quality lies.

The reason I believe it's not working right now is that Pavluychenko is not the quickest and is getting too isolated since our midfield tends to drop back too far. Furthermore, this is compounded by Modric playing as a freely roaming central midfielder and not the second striker he should be so Pavluychenko gets more and more isolated. I think this is also due to Modric's natural desire to get on the ball as much as possible and since our midfield is so bad at getting it forward (there is so little movement from the rest of our team) that Modric has to drop back to get it and become more influential.

Modric is fantastic, but he's not a second striker. I believe he should be moved back to the central midfield (I've said this before) and played along side a strong defensive midfielder, just like Fabregas for the l'Arse. I think he has come to terms with the PL now and it would allow him to be more influential whilst also making us more potent as we would be able to get the ball out to the wings and forward line quicker, whilst also allowing us to play two strikers.

Just imaging a team of Modric in the centre with Keane and Berbatov up front makes me salivate. What a shame it couldn't be realised.

I think your 100% right, i would even go as to put Jenas on the left then Luka in the center along side Zoko

 

[striebs]

thread is dead on. Damien Duff can turn a game and we have nothing.

We have slightly more than nothing .

Aarron Lennon , Darren Bent , Tommy Huddlestone can and do come off the bench and change games but not against top quality opposition like Damien Duff can .

Whilst we are talking about Newcastle United I'd suggest a hard as nails central middfielder like Nicky Butt to play alongside Modric in a 4 man midfield .

And Oh , agree with others that Bentley is poseur .