The beginning of the end...

[@Bobby__Lucky]

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Wow this is big news. I've had the highest respect for val since 606 days val and don't believe he would post this if he didn't believe it to be true.

I think possible moments of note could be.

The Toby contract and just as importantly Jan's reaction to this. Jan it seems was never offered the substantial rise, despite being a longer serving and in my eyes more crucial team member. Also vice captain.

Poch picking kane as starter for ECL final when clearly not fit. Also kane being undropable despite being pedestrian.

Trippier coming out and saying it was kanes team talk that inspired the comeback and poch denying it publicly.

Possible issues between Kane and poch. Is H's crap form part of this? He isn't putting in the effort but we all thought it was tactical. Maybe it isn't.

Tactics for the ECL final.

Unfairness to favourites. The lloris incident being an example. If all. Are not treated equally then some who have received hard line could feel aggrieved.

Jan's shiner.

Players reaction to jan being left out.

Players reaction to eriksen being left out.

Players reaction be Toby being in. Relative to the above.

Players feelings toward the cautionary approach to the ECL final.

The book. Could be said kanes form and the team went downhill from that date approx 2 years ago.

Trophy less leadership.

 

[shelfboy68]

Mourinho style of football would never be tolerated by everyone on here

Winning football and trophies would

 

[mrlilywhite]

It's early days yet, but the writing is on the wall regarding Poch. The players he has bought in are his choices and whilst I feel they will make a big contribution, I can't help to feel that we won't change that much. I actually watched the Man City game and realised that there was every chance we could suffer a defeat at the hands of the barcodes - which is a ridiculous statement, given how crap they have been. With the game at the emirates looming, I can't see how we walk away from there with anything.

I can't believe that he starts any game without a fit Verts and Eriksen - irrespective of current contractual situations, yet here we are playing Sanchez, who really doesn't look great at all and we leave Eriksen on the bloody bench for what? To make a point to others!!? Eriksen has given loyal service to us for a good few years, and Jan even longer! Jan Vertonghen has given us everything and we treat him with total disdain - it's bloody ridiculous and totally on Poch that we find ourselves in this situation. If there is disharmony at the club, then that is a big part of the reason.

Poch has changed us significantly and on our day we can beat anyone, but those days are becoming few and far between, season by season. You can harp on all day about saying "but we got to a Champions League final", but the bottom line is we got there by copious amounts of luck. VAR against City, Last gasp winner against Ajax. In retrospect, we should have been nowhere near that final.
I hate to say it but I think Poch's ambition is starting to outweigh his talent and I honestly feel that he has taken us as far as he can. I want trophies as much as the next man, but I want them playing with a bit more swagger and not revert to AVB type "kill them with boredom" style of football.

In the end, all that matters to me is this club. The players, the manager, the board? They all come and go and they are just cogs that either break or make this football club. I would, however, like to commend our dear bald leader, Mr Levy. He has created so much for this club lately and put his money where his mouth is and seriously backed our Manager. I have never been a BSODL, but I'm warming to the idea.

 

[cjbyid]

 

[Jody]

Just read that and was going to post a link. A very different take on things.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Poch has been moaning more than normal in recent times. Latest being the transfer window, he was in favour of early closing so he had his squad for the start of the season. Now not happy.
Levy could not have done much more than get his main targets. I hope this news is off the mark but it has all the hallmarks of players fed up with the manager. Only one result when that happens.
Don’t think Solksjaer will last the season so that may be the end result.
I think a German manager might suit us with the way their coaches play the game.
Nagelsmann seems to be the coming man in that respect.

 

[Amo]

Watching us to get to and play in a Champions league final with a threadbare squad. What the flying fuck are you talking about?

Yes it’s fucking shit today but suggesting the manager isn’t up to it 3 games after a Champions League final is fucking ludicrous.

We've lost half our games in 2019. Half.

 

[Jody]

What did he say?

Sorry, possibly a bit out of context...just what was written 're the problems at spurs https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9796964/tottenham-lack-creativity-pochettino-has-problem/

 

[ajspurs]

I didn't mention Adebayor and yes Vertonghen has had issues with previous managers. Investment is key to any success just look at Liverpool and City they've made signing effective to their starting 11 within the last 4 windows. You said Pochettinho tinkers with the system whereby players are told to take up position not knowing what to do...was that said when we draw at city.

Look losing to Newcastle is pooooor regardless. I just think there's issues behind scenes regarding transfers contracts and fitness unresolved. Once this European window closes the squad will be in a better position

I know but I mean you make Vertonghen sound as problematic as Adebayor had been in his career. I don't know all of Vertonghen's history but that's genuinely the first I've heard of him being any sort of troublemaker.
Of course investment is key and it would have helped for sure, but the performances of the last 7 or so months isn't solely down to a lack of investment.
Also yes, that was said at City. Even after I said after that game that I've never seen us so clueless when playing out from the back, I'd never seen us struggle so much to just play out from defence. The players were utterly clueless as to how to put any sort of moves together. Yes that was also down to City and the way they press, but for a team of our calibre, to struggle in those regards for practically a whole match is pretty poor.

The closure of the window will help, but I'd be shocked if we all of a sudden start playing much better football because of it. Hopefully when we have everyone fit Poch can find a system that works and stick with it, because everything he's trying at the moment in terms of getting us playing good effective football is not working.

 

[shelfboy68]

A bad defeat to the filth and this will compound it to record levels

 

[Ronwol196061]

Agree with the idea that Poch needs everyone on the same page to play his way. The problem with Poch is not so much the fire that he created inside the players,which they didn't seem to have for this game,its bigger than that.Its the fact that his system is limited,that he himself seems to have a hard time in changing things.In that way he is a one trick pony I think.When the one trick works its great,when it doesn't he looks for answers to why it doesn't as he really hasn't shown he can change the system. yesterday everyone was running around like headless chickens.

 

[Timberwolf]

Unless things are utterly faaaacked and the dressing room is completely beyond repair, I think Poch deserves more time to turn it around. We've been dreadful in the league for most of the year but there were so many mitigating factors last season: injuries, stadium, CL distraction, etc. Now that we've brought in his players we owe Poch some more time after all that he's achieved. To sack him 4 games into the season after losing at the Emirates (where we never win anyway) seems far too trigger-happy to me. He's had plenty of opportunities to jump ship yet he stuck with us. We owe him some loyalty now that the shoe's on the other foot.

Following Arsenal we have 5 winnable games. Let's see how we do in those before we start sharpening the knives.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

All day.

Allegri is the only one I can think of. Unemployed at least, don't know if he would have any interest.

Ancelotti isn't available in my mind. I'd be on board with Allegri but I am not convinced he'd be the spark we need.

Allegri is unlikely because he has never left Italy, neither as a player nor as a manager. I'm not saying that fact automatically disqualifies him, but he might just be a person who wouldn't want to leave for a foreign job.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The book. Could be said kanes form and the team went downhill from that date approx 2 years ago.

Kane had his best season in 17-18 (when the book came out).

 

[Timberwolf]

Allegri is unlikely because he has never left Italy, neither as a player nor as a manager. I'm not saying that fact automatically disqualifies him, but he might just be a person who wouldn't want to leave for a foreign job.

Pretty sure he's been learning English for ages and was very strongly linked to Arsenal before they went for Emery. I get the feeling he's achieved everything he can in Italy and is actively looking for a PL job at this point.

 

[Gareth88]

A bad defeat to the filth and this will compound it to record levels

When we lose I am staying off here for a week

 

[Cochise]

I was expecting to come onto SC today and see a lot of negativity. I wasn't expecting a top ITK to basically say unequivocally that it's looking like the end of this particular chapter. Worrying times

We should be in the best place we've been to challenge for decades. We have a great squad, promising youth, new stadium, amazing training ground, and have just signed 2 magnificent footballers and 2 very promising prospects.

If we play like we have so far we will get fucking battered at the shithole next week.

If Poch lost the dressing room then why sign his top targets? Why not part ways in the summer? Not questioning Vals info but all very odd timing.

Please not Mourinho though. Used to think he was fantastic at Porto and his first stint and Chelsea but if Poch has become divisive, then surely Jose should be last on our list?

Personally I hope that Poch buckles down and gets his head out his arse and gets back to being the positive, upbeat manager that has done so well for us for 5 years, and we ride this storm out.

Where was the ITK?

 

[stevenurse]

This has been a long time coming. Even if it was said in a joking way, I'm sure Poch saying he could quit if we won the CL final wouldn't have gone down well with DL. Especially as before he was saying he'd stay for as long as he wanted him etc.

That to me speaks of an ego shift and believing he's the most important man at the club, not DL which rightly or wrongly is the case

 

[Dougal]

A bad defeat to the filth and this will compound it to record levels

Are we only capable in thinking in the negative? Everyone is just torturing themselves here today like SC is lacking a BDSM thread that I thought @Houdini would have set up by now. Let’s see how we feel this time next week, next month, instead of kidding ourselves that this isn’t a knee jerk pit of pessimism we’re intent on drowning ourselves in.

And to think, you’re all usually such a delight after a defeat.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

If Maureen signs for Spurs I might as well just keep the TV off for a whole year, when he has also lost the dressing room. Fuck that, he should be nowhere near my beloved Spurs.