The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I don't agree with your reasoning at all, i think it's too simplistic and it's the same rationale which saw George Graham given the job with us. I think the CV can be one thing to consider, but if CV were all important than Barcelona should have gone for Rafa instead of Pep, BD for Rafa instead of Klopp, Liverpool for Rafa instead of Rogers and so on.

In terms of the CV itself, I also think it's wrong to simply look at the successes and ignore the failures and in particular the reasons for the failures.

Sloth, it isn't reasoning. It's a feeling. That's all I can offr, Rafa feels the best bet for me.

 

[markieboy]

Yes, I don't think Sky have put us on for the match but the interview after.

Are we on the Comedy Channel?

 

[markieboy]

Sloth, it isn't reasoning. It's a feeling. That's all I can offr, Rafa feels the best bet for me.

See.......I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

 

[HoltbiusMac]

Apart from he's won stuff, what draws you to Benitez?

Can organise a defence - would have saved us a fair few points and a whole load of humiliation this season.
Would be respected by the players due to his experience.
Uses his tactical acument to win games - rotates the squad but in a meaningful way in order to get results. Willing to deploy players in a variety of ways and positions. Both of which our squad is set up to do.

 

[TheGreenLily]

I don't think FDB's style is similar to AVB's at all. Yes they both 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 most of the time and like to keep possession and that is about where it ends.

Firstly FDB adapts the way his team plays sometimes in the style changes in the game like when they beat Barca with 10 men (Check out the video posted by absolute bobbins on page 21 of the "who do you want to be our manager next season?" thread.).

FDB's team don't hold onto the ball to then pass backwards or sideways, there is a lot of one touch/two touch passing. They also go through the middle or spread it out wide for the full backs to cross. Also, when the pass is on they will play an early long ball from the back if the % to keep the ball is in their favor (not scared to plat risky passes).

FDB doesn't play a high line.

Another thing I like about FDB, is he teaches his players how to play more intelligently so they make correct decisions without needing to think about it (second nature), imagine if he could get this through to Dembele, what a player he could become.

Read this article posted by only1waddle, it is quite a good read.

http://afootballreport.com/post/22661498743/frank-de-boers-vision-the-whole-is-greater-than-the

I just read that...

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DITHERING LEVY, YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER NUMB NUT...

Jesus, that contained everything that is wrong with our club and what we need to fix it.

It is a no brainer.

 

[sloth]

Sloth, it isn't reasoning. It's a feeling. That's all I can offr, Rafa feels the best bet for me.

Mate, are you sure that's not just indigestion?

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Mate, are you sure that's not just indigestion?

To be honest I just want Sherwood gone. Any of the three candidates would do for me. I do not envy DL's decision although it would appear FDB is the choice of many on SC.

I have taken my rennie just in case.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Well said, m8.



Yeah, how about you think of Van Persie, Van Nistelrooy, Suarez, etc!?!? lol
And just an FYI, last I checked Bruno Alves was a central defender, not a striker.
For someone who claims that "we don't know our asses from our elbows", you sure sound like you don't know much either.

D'oh, Alfonso Alves.

And it's not me saying it's a weak league based on that, I'm just saying what other people think.
I know as well as anyone lots of strikers come from Holland and score for fun.

It's worth noting that a lot, not all , of the prolific ones from Holland are Dutch though. But this is side tracking. The point I was attempting to make was that a lot of people think the Dutch league is weak as some players scored a lot there but not here, that's all.

 

[sloth]

Can organise a defence - would have saved us a fair few points and a whole load of humiliation this season.
Would be respected by the players due to his experience.
Uses his tactical acument to win games - rotates the squad but in a meaningful way in order to get results. Willing to deploy players in a variety of ways and positions. Both of which our squad is set up to do.

Benitez has had his fair share of failures too. With him in charge we could easily have done worse as well as the same or better.

I agree he would be respected, but as would any good coach/teacher.

Every coach under discussion uses his tactical acumen to win games, and rotates his squad and will deploy players in a variety of ways and positions.

Basically none of this supports or refutes the view that Benitez is a good fit for us, its merely a description of what any coach does.

 

[kd2000]

For some reason we have been selected to be on sky sports this Sunday. Why us???? It's a meaningless game, unless something might be announced and sky have been given the heads-up. FDB in the crowd?

Maybe levy will sack sherwood during the game but tell some in the crowd before sherwood and watch chinese whispers spread through the stadium. He can then sack sherwood (who has already heard it from the crowd) at half time. Sky can film all of this and levy and lewis can watch it over and over maniacly laughing as they eat caviar and sip champagne off the naked bodies of some ladyboys

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I don't think FDB's style is similar to AVB's at all. Yes they both 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 most of the time and like to keep possession and that is about where it ends.

Firstly FDB adapts the way his team plays sometimes in the style changes in the game like when they beat Barca with 10 men (Check out the video posted by absolute bobbins on page 21 of the "who do you want to be our manager next season?" thread.).

FDB's team don't hold onto the ball to then pass backwards or sideways, there is a lot of one touch/two touch passing. They also go through the middle or spread it out wide for the full backs to cross. Also, when the pass is on they will play an early long ball from the back if the % to keep the ball is in their favor (not scared to plat risky passes).

FDB doesn't play a high line.

Another thing I like about FDB, is he teaches his players how to play more intelligently so they make correct decisions without needing to think about it (second nature), imagine if he could get this through to Dembele, what a player he could become.

Read this article posted by only1waddle, it is quite a good read.

http://afootballreport.com/post/22661498743/frank-de-boers-vision-the-whole-is-greater-than-the

This is all very well and good but FDB is managing a team full of players that were brought up in the same academy he himself graduated from. In that respect he isn't going to be deviating much from what they have already been taught their whole footballing lives.

It will be much more different for him to manage a team full of players that have graduated from different academies all over the world. Where they haven't been taught all to play the same system and same philosophy he himself was brought up on.

As for teaching the players to play more intelligently and make decisions for themselves in match situations, AVB was also a proponent of this method of coaching - as is Mourinho...

http://blogs.thescore.com/counterat...training-methods-of-mourinho-and-villas-boas/

I do like FdB but people need to realise that there is no guarantee that his methods will adapt to the prem or our team where only 2 players have graduated from the Ajax academy.

This is what I think Poch has over him, the fact his methods and philosophy have already been proven to be adaptable to the league.

 

[tototoner]

According to journalist Paul Smith, who had firstly tweeted that Mauricio Pochettino is now the front-runner, added on de Boer that - “I think you'll find the compensation issue [with Ajax] is minor. It's more to do with De Boer shouting his mouth off”.

 

[Breezer]

Maybe levy will sack sherwood during the game but tell some in the crowd before sherwood and watch chinese whispers spread through the stadium. He can then sack sherwood (who has already heard it from the crowd) at half time. Sky can film all of this and levy and lewis can watch it over and over maniacly laughing as they eat caviar and sip champagne off the naked bodies of some ladyboys

Fingers crossed lol

 

[markieboy]

According to journalist Paul Smith, who had firstly tweeted that Mauricio Pochettino is now the front-runner, added on de Boer that - “I think you'll find the compensation issue [with Ajax] is minor. It's more to do with De Boer shouting his mouth off”.

Who cares what he said............if he is the BEST man for the job......give it to him.
What he said during Sherwoods tenure will be forgotten in a few weeks.............we are talking about the future of the club FFS!

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't think FDB's style is similar to AVB's at all. Yes they both 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 most of the time and like to keep possession and that is about where it ends.

Firstly FDB adapts the way his team plays sometimes in the style changes in the game like when they beat Barca with 10 men (Check out the video posted by absolute bobbins on page 21 of the "who do you want to be our manager next season?" thread.).

FDB's team don't hold onto the ball to then pass backwards or sideways, there is a lot of one touch/two touch passing. They also go through the middle or spread it out wide for the full backs to cross. Also, when the pass is on they will play an early long ball from the back if the % to keep the ball is in their favor (not scared to plat risky passes).

FDB doesn't play a high line.

Another thing I like about FDB, is he teaches his players how to play more intelligently so they make correct decisions without needing to think about it (second nature), imagine if he could get this through to Dembele, what a player he could become.

Read this article posted by only1waddle, it is quite a good read.

http://afootballreport.com/post/22661498743/frank-de-boers-vision-the-whole-is-greater-than-the

Sounds more encouraging to me then if the above is the case. Mixing up or varying your style in response to the way a certain game is going is a plus to as far as I'm concerned - as opposed to repeating the same thing over and over when its clear as day not working.

Would you say they moved the ball quicker than we did under AVB? You know offered more of a change of pace to their passing and movement? That's a big thing for me in terms of the passing and movement being sharper.

Have to say though, I was under the real impression they did play with a high line.

 

[Mr Pink]

I tend to agree with this.

We are a broken club atm. Players are not performing to their best down to poor coaching/management.

On the one hand FDB would definitely sort out the coaching side of things (at least from what I am reading about him and his coaching team); but on the other hand the Premier League is like no other in Europe, the pace of the game is different and Benitez understands that. I'm not sure FDB does.

FDB will adapt of course, given time, but given the fical nature of the board will he be given this opportunity? I'm not sure he will. I think his outspoken nature will eventually rub Levy up the wrong way and we will be back to square one in 18 months or so.

Benitez is a mature manager who showed dignity when managing Chelsea, who has a proven track record; and can get the job done.

Why not Pochettino then? Is currently proving that he's an excellent coach and is doing so in this League.

 

[tototoner]

Interesting point of view in this blog

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/if-you-dont-want-tim-sherwood-you-dont.html

If you don't want Tim Sherwood you don't want Frank De Boer

Frank de Boer has once again confirmed Tottenham have informally spoken to Ajax despite the official denial.

"They talked informally with Ajax about my contract," said De Boer. "I think they are quite happy with their manager, but it is normal that they get information about a possible successor, as have Liverpool in the past. Liverpool had four candidates and asked me if I was interested. That time I said I wanted to stay at Ajax.

"I'm very happy here, but if a club came with an interesting perspective and a good team, I would consider the proposal. I want to understand what contribution I could give."
The approach was not official and therefore the Tottenham statement that they have not contacted any clubs about coaching appointments is legally correct, if not actually correct. Two friends have just had a chat, that's all, nothing illegal about that.


"We have not contacted any club regarding coaching appointments."

Compare this situation where Spurs can't actually tell the truth to that of Head Coach Tim Sherwood who tells the truth and gets insulted and abused by mindless supporters.
If these supporters are moaning at Sherwood for telling the truth then they won't want Frank de Boer here either will they, he tells the truth also. The claim is Sherwood embarrasses the club when he speaks which is of course nonsense, but if it is what you claim then what Frank de Boer is consistently saying has to be viewed in the same light. He is forcing Spurs to officially deny something that is true, but legally untrue.
Isn't the truth better than playing this media game to avoid being sued for breaching employment law. But then there is little chance of football being a clean game, poaching or tapping up of players and managers will always take place, as will informal phone calls.

 

[Drexl]

A successful manager will make Levy tens of millions in CL money, i doubt he would sacrifice that over someone being a bit gobby to the media, he is a businessman first and foremost

 

[tototoner]

Who cares what he said............if he is the BEST man for the job......give it to him.
What he said during Sherwoods tenure will be forgotten in a few weeks.............we are talking about the future of the club FFS!

you are right but we are Tottenham and Levy rarely has the best interests of the club in mind

he wants to be in control and do everything on the cheap, he wants Champagne football on a Lemonade budget

 

[Flashspur]

According to journalist Paul Smith, who had firstly tweeted that Mauricio Pochettino is now the front-runner, added on de Boer that - “I think you'll find the compensation issue [with Ajax] is minor. It's more to do with De Boer shouting his mouth off”.

this is just infantile...really major retard infantile - so he is our numebr one target until he talks about the appointment. As soon as that happens its - Frank De who????? Seriously?

This is either lazy journalism to sell papers or Levy is a really stupid little man who carries grudges and will cut off his nose to spite his face.

FFS - the stories coming out about the club are bloody farcical!!