The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[FinnYid]

From Ajax's point of view, FDB has said he wants to go if Spurs want him. They have a history of selling their top players

So have we, all I'm saying is Levy (and some fans) have to able to take similar public comments coming from Spurs manager too. If they're not, better look for other alternatives, such who don't conduct differently in public.

 

[kungfugrip]

Yep, if Pochettino is appointed then we can copy Man Utd and unfurl a nice banner 'The cheap one' , in honour of Levy.

Ramos and AVB weren't cheap. Doesn't matter if they are big names, big wages, wear slick suits or anything. What matters is the right man, for our club, at this particular point in time.

 

[felmani26]

So have we, all I'm saying is Levy (and some fans) have to able to take similar public comments coming from Spurs manager too. If they're not, better look for other alternatives, such who don't conduct differently in public.

You're argument is flawed to say the least!

 

[FinnYid]

Would @Eric_S care to enlight what's to dislike?

 

[FinnYid]

You're argument is flawed to say the least!

Why?

 

[cornelius knob]

Yep, if Pochettino is appointed then we can copy Man Utd and unfurl a nice banner 'The cheap one' , in honour of Levy.

Surely such a banner should be used in honour of Sherwood

 

[EastLondonYid]

That's without doubt one of the worst things I've read on the whole situation.

It reads like it was written by a child and if the author honestly can't see the difference between FDB confirming an approach and Sherwood shooting his mouth off week in week out about the players and saying how fantastic he is then I despair for them.

If anything the club made the FDB situation ridiculous by denying it rather than ignoring it. Everyone knows that the club is scraping around desperately trying to replace Sherwood - coming out and denying an approach that has clearly been made just looks foolish.

I am not sure that alot of this has not been created by Overmars, maybe he has his own scum adgenda... why would he want us to get a top coach?..

I do agree we should have ignored it though, as if we are worried about what Tim would do or say if that was what we were worried about.

As usual, nothing is done right.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Surely such a banner should be used in honour of Sherwood

she said cheap not shit

 

[Veuve Clicquot]

Will this do (stolen from another site):-

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

I am not sure that alot of this has not been created by Overmars, maybe he has his own scum adgenda... why would he want us to get a top coach?..

I do agree we should have ignored it though, as if we are worried about what Tim would do or say if that was what we were worried about.

As usual, nothing is done right.

we have a junior level manager who's main skill seems to be manipulation of information .. forget Arsegooner Overmars.. every time there is bullshit in the press i suspect 'arsegooner tim'

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Will this do (stolen from another site):- View attachment 11513

To think somebody has took the time to put that ****s mug over the top of the original picture

 

[Bobbins]

No, but if he is fine on how FdB is conducting now (I've no problem with it), then he should be fine when FdB pines after bigger things publicly while on helm of Spurs. Bit like 'arry and England job, well apart from timing.

Well there are a few points to that.

The first is that the Spurs job is arguably a bigger job than the Ajax one (hence FdB being interested in moving to us), so you might reasonably expect him to be happier for longer here. He would after all be managing in the biggest league in world football, and his team would be watched by hundreds of millions of people. Very different from Ajax. He'd also have more money to spend, a bigger squad, and just a generally higher profile and more powerful club to play with. Whilst we're also a selling club, we tend to sell as players come into their prime value period - which is not unusual for most clubs. Ajax are in a position where they're generally forced to sell as soon as a player starts to look promising, and tend to find it tough to hold on to any player.

Second, is that whilst we all tended to get fed up with Harry's inability to keep his mouth shut, we have little evidence that Levy saw it this way. I think he was happy to put up with the minor annoyance of Harry talking too much as long as he was bringing success on the pitch - which by and large he was. Combine his mouth with his well-documented intention to leave for England regardless though, plus his new contract demands and his second successive season of collapsing results allowing Arsenal to finish above us - then it probably became more of a problem.

Finally third, is that Levy will be well aware of the tendency for European managers and players to be much more open in talking about transfers and leaving clubs etc - it's much less of an issue on the continent, especially for a selling club like Ajax.

I very much doubt Levy is too bothered that Frank is an honest man, and if he is, then he will need to just man up and deal with it. Imagine if we'd actually got LvG - Levy would've had much bigger worries about him but by all accounts he was the number 1 choice. He obviously doesn't mind as long as the team is successful.

 

[FinnYid]

The first is that the Spurs job is arguably a bigger job than the Ajax one (hence FdB being interested in moving to us), so you might reasonably expect him to be happier for longer here.

Hardly related to the point, there are bigger and better jobs than Spurs and it was about how to conduct oneself in public when such opportunity arises. I don't have much of an issue with how FdB is conducting now and hence I accept it equally when and if it happens on Spurs. Just that Levy and other fans should too, at least if they have no problem with it now.

Second, is that whilst we all tended to get fed up with Harry's inability to keep his mouth shut, we have little evidence that Levy saw it this way.

On general note, agreed. But thought that when it came to talking about England job, according rumors Levy hardly liked it.

Finally third, is that Levy will be well aware of the tendency for European managers and players to be much more open in talking about transfers and leaving clubs etc - it's much less of an issue on the continent, especially for a selling club like Ajax.

Agree on this one too, but Daniel- and moreover some fans - need to be able to take it too when the time comes and not go on throwing the rocks -spree.

 

[Bobbins]

Hardly related to the point, there are bigger and better jobs than Spurs and it was about how to conduct oneself in public when such opportunity arises. I don't have much of an issue with how FdB is conducting now and hence I accept it equally when and if it happens on Spurs. Just that Levy and other fans should too, at least if they have no problem with it now.

On general note, agreed. But thought that when it came to talking about England job, according rumors Levy hardly liked it.

Agree on this one too, but Daniel- and moreover some fans - need to be able to take it too when the time comes and not go on throwing the rocks -spree.

I honestly don't think it's going to be a problem - AVB was pretty honest at times as well but it didn't seem to bother Levy. I think he prefers employees who will be honest with him rather than Yes Men. Doesn't mean he'll always agree with them of course.

We'll have to see - but I'd certainly rather have a forthright and honest FdB than a make-it-up-as-you-go-along Sherwood or a bloke who refuses to speak English in publich like Pochettino.

 

[SpursOldBoy]

Why not Pochettino then? Is currently proving that he's an excellent coach and is doing so in this League.

No question about his ability as a coach but I'm not sure about how he would deal with the senior players here throwing their toys out the pram when they don't get their own way.

 

[beats1]

From Ajax's point of view, FDB has said he wants to go if Spurs want him. They have a history of selling their top players, and the touted 5 million in compensation is nothing to be sniffed at for a manager.

It's a tricky situation for the Ajax board, their fans are unanimous in wanting FDB to stay, but he clearly wants a move, and regardless of what Overmars/Cryuff etc say about wanting him to stay to appease the fans, they won't stand in his way when he does go.

For all we know, Ajax have asked him to go public to drum up interest in him for the compensation, in fairness, it was Overmars who broke the news, not FDB, so he cant be blamed for the questions being asked of him in the media, he's just being honest.

I think Ajax aren't too bothered if he goes, he has won 4 league titles he spent 3 and half years there and been loyal when others haven't.

They also aren't fussed if he leaves or not as the goal for next season is for them to go to the next level and make the last 16 of the CL. Though it is worth noting that if they get a draw like they have for the last 3 years it will be very hard for them.

 

[ardiles]

So what? Levy should consider it more from an viewpoint of Ajax, I mean we might be in their shoes in short time if we appoint Frank and he is succesful.

Well it depends on what do you mean by 'successful ' in this context.

If he comes and help us win a cup or two, and/or get us into the CL, I wouldn't begrudge him if a bigger club comes a-calling and lures him away.

How much 'success ' have we had from our recent managers?

 

[beats1]

I am not sure that alot of this has not been created by Overmars, maybe he has his own scum adgenda... why would he want us to get a top coach?..

I do agree we should have ignored it though, as if we are worried about what Tim would do or say if that was what we were worried about.

As usual, nothing is done right.

He has a good relationship with Levy apparently and did sell us Vertonghen and Eriksen

 

[Yid]

Talking Spurs here. Not a team of Superstars in a weak Portuguese league...............................................................
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Portuguese Primeira Liga is pretty far from a weak league.
Just so you know, it's in the top 5 major leagues of Europe.
People are so quick to draw conclusions without proper facts to back them up, it's getting .

They would be the same superstars that did nothing the season before and only really became superstars at Porto under AVB?
And that would be the weak Portuguese league that regularly produces teams that hand the superior English teams their arses in Europe?

Exactly my point.

 

[idontgetit]

Portuguese Primeira Liga is pretty far from a weak league.
Just so you know, it's in the top 5 major leagues of Europe.
People are so quick to draw conclusions without proper facts to back them up, it's getting .



Exactly my point.

Compared to the Premier League it's weak. Over 20 points behind the Prem on coefficient rankings and like I said before, English clubs have taken 8 CL finalist spots since the Portuguese had one a decade ago. I'm not trying to slag the Portuguese off, I'm just saying that making a team with players like Moutinho, Hulk and Falcao in to a league winning side isn't amazingly impressive