The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[FinnYid]

Portuguese Primeira Liga is pretty far from a weak league.
Just so you know, it's in the top 5 major leagues of Europe.
People are so quick to draw conclusions without proper facts to back them up, it's getting .

While Porto & Benfica beef up their UEFA coefficient year in, year out, and Sporting has some resources it's hardly a strong league as a whole. Well Braga ain't complete minnows either (but don't have that much resources tbh), but generally rest of the lot are very poor financially and hence loads of Portuguese players that could play on those teams and home league top flight play all over Europe on leagues that might seem lot weaker on first sight.

 

[only1waddle]

Compared to the Premier League it's weak. Over 20 points behind the Prem on coefficient rankings and like I said before, English clubs have taken 8 CL finalist spots since the Portuguese had one a decade ago. I'm not trying to slag the Portuguese off, I'm just saying that making a team with players like Moutinho, Hulk and Falcao in to a league winning side isn't amazingly impressive

Hulk upped his performance under AvB but to me it looked like he was just encouraged to shoot whenever he got space, which was quite often as there seemed to be nobody closing him down, Falcao's 4 seasons goal tally at Porto/Madrid are 34 38 36 34, AvB season is slightly higher but he is a fairly consistent performer, i wouldn't put any of what Falcao has talent wise down to the ginger king.

 

[spurs9]

http://www.london24.com/sport/tottenham/frank_de_boer_would_definitely_succeed_at_spurs_1_3590565

Frank de Boer would ‘definitely succeed’ at Spurs


Shota Arveladze, who played with de Boer at Ajax and Rangers

“Frank is doing fantastic at Ajax. Frank is a very serious person and he’s always looking to progress,” he told talkSPORT.

“He was a top football player himself so he knows the language of the boys. He knows all of the various generations at Ajax because he’s been with the youngsters for the last four years.

“I believe it’s a big challenge that he wants to come to the Premier League and show his quality. He will definitely succeed whatever the next step is that he takes.”

Kluivert thinks FDB will become a top manager too but that is based on how he was as a player.

http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/...e-boer-top-barcelona-tottenham-linked?cc=3436

 

[THFC 1882]

Sampdoria Coach Sinisa Mihajlovic is being linked with the vacant job at Tottenham.

The tactician has turned the season around for theBlucerchiati, taking them from the relegation zone to mid-table comfort after replacing Delio Rossi.

Samp have made it clear they want to keep Mihajlovicfor next season, but the former Serbia manager has been reticent to commit

http://app.football-italia.net/?ref...-look-mihajlovic#article/footballitalia-48948

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Sampdoria Coach Sinisa Mihajlovic is being linked with the vacant job at Tottenham.

The tactician has turned the season around for theBlucerchiati, taking them from the relegation zone to mid-table comfort after replacing Delio Rossi.

Samp have made it clear they want to keep Mihajlovicfor next season, but the former Serbia manager has been reticent to commit

http://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=http://www.football-italia.net/48948/spurs-look-mihajlovic#article/footballitalia-48948

All the Italian manager's agents are now using us like the players agents do.....looking for a new deal?..say you talked to Spurs (and leak it to the press) and then go into negotiations.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Does anyone believe any Italian media sources? I semi trust Gazzetta but the rest always feel dodgy a fuck

 

[Tom Pops]

Does anyone believe any Italian media sources? I semi trust Gazzetta but the rest always feel dodgy a fuck

We were certain to sign Prandelli, and then we were certain to sign Allegri, as people have said it just feels like dull agent talk.

 

[spurs9]

This is all very well and good but FDB is managing a team full of players that were brought up in the same academy he himself graduated from. In that respect he isn't going to be deviating much from what they have already been taught their whole footballing lives.

It will be much more different for him to manage a team full of players that have graduated from different academies all over the world. Where they haven't been taught all to play the same system and same philosophy he himself was brought up on.

As for teaching the players to play more intelligently and make decisions for themselves in match situations, AVB was also a proponent of this method of coaching - as is Mourinho...

http://blogs.thescore.com/counterat...training-methods-of-mourinho-and-villas-boas/

I do like FdB but people need to realise that there is no guarantee that his methods will adapt to the prem or our team where only 2 players have graduated from the Ajax academy.

This is what I think Poch has over him, the fact his methods and philosophy have already been proven to be adaptable to the league.

According to Cryuff, the model that FDB has installed since he took over is different than the one that was there before, which means that only the really young players would have benefited from his system. When you consider that out of the 11 most played players this season only 2 are under 21, "players that were brought up in the same academy he himself graduated from" wont have had a huge effect when it comes to his training methods, though will have an advantage obviously as they know most of the system.

In regards to the intelligence/decision making part, AVB may have been a proponent of that training method but he failed to get through to the players as their decision making went backwards in his 18 months.

I agree that FDB is no quarentee of sucess but no coach is including Poch. The only thing Poch has over FDB, imo, is that he has managed in the EPL but we have seen many times that a manager who is successful at one club fails at another.

 

[beats1]

Hulk upped his performance under AvB but to me it looked like he was just encouraged to shoot whenever he got space, which was quite often as there seemed to be nobody closing him down, Falcao's 4 seasons goal tally at Porto/Madrid are 34 38 36 34, AvB season is slightly higher but he is a fairly consistent performer, i wouldn't put any of what Falcao has talent wise down to the ginger king.

When Falcao arrived at Atletico, simeone told him his game was too limited and he couldn't play with his back to goal and need to improve his all round game.

His all round game did improve alot under Simeone and worth noting that La Liga has much tougher opposition than Portugal

 

[beats1]

If we get FDB expect us to be looking at Barca B or Barca rejects this summer as he has taken players like Bojan and Cuenca in the last couple of seasons and unlike lvg has a good relationship with Cruyff

 

[matthew.absurdum]

Does anyone believe any Italian media sources? I semi trust Gazzetta but the rest always feel dodgy a fuck

Only di marzio (but is he a media source?)

 

[spurs9]

If we get FDB expect us to be looking at Barca B or Barca rejects this summer as he has taken players like Bojan and Cuenca in the last couple of seasons and unlike lvg has a good relationship with Cruyff

I think they only got those players on loan due to their finances. I would be surprised if he did the same with us. Also has Cryuff got a position at Barcelona?

 

[spurs9]

Only di marzio (but is he a media source?)

He is a journalist and works for Sky Italia, so I would say he is a media source.

 

[beats1]

I think they only got those players on loan due to their finances. I would be surprised if he did the same with us. Also has Cryuff got a position at Barcelona?

Cruyff is currently holding the position of god but seriously new president wants to hire him back at barca this summer and being a ex barca player will always help Frank get players.

 

[spurs9]

Cruyff is currently holding the position of god but seriously new president wants to hire him back at barca this summer and being a ex barca player will always help Frank get players.

Excellent, so if we get a FDB we could potentially have a partnership with Barcelona as well as Real

 

[JohanTheYid]

Excellent, so if we get a FDB we could potentially have a partnership with Barcelona as well as Real

Our best players will have a choice of which Spanish club they join you mean ?

 

[THFC 1882]

Gus Poyet is carefully considering his future as Sunderland manager, due to a clause in his contract which will allow him to walk away from the Black Cats this summer without any compensation being needed


Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/05...id-tottenham-talk/139800/#xoWmFgxyJfCM3ehW.99

 

[TheGreenLily]

Gus Poyet is carefully considering his future as Sunderland manager, due to a clause in his contract which will allow him to walk away from the Black Cats this summer without any compensation being needed


Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/05...id-tottenham-talk/139800/#xoWmFgxyJfCM3ehW.99

No, he should stay there, he has the chance to build something there.

We on the other hand desperately need FDB and for him to be given full control of the football side of things.

 

[MarkyP]

Sounds more encouraging to me then if the above is the case. Mixing up or varying your style in response to the way a certain game is going is a plus to as far as I'm concerned - as opposed to repeating the same thing over and over when its clear as day not working.

Would you say they moved the ball quicker than we did under AVB? You know offered more of a change of pace to their passing and movement? That's a big thing for me in terms of the passing and movement being sharper.

Have to say though, I was under the real impression they did play with a high line.

The Ajax philosophy has always been built around possession football, and is a fairly simple one - if you keep the ball, the other team cannot score - the speed in which they do this has been largely irrelevant and from what I've seen of them under De Boer, it tends to be more incisive that AVB.. being able to identify the pass quicker, and complete that pass.

FDB has re-introduced the basic concepts that were almost lost under previous managers where Ajax started to move towards signing players for large (relative) sums instead of bringing players through the youth system that had been coached in this philosophy. Rinus Michels, Cruyff and Van Gaal get the credit for Ajax way of playing, or what the footballing world came to know as "total football" and possession football- but it was actually a former Spurs player, and Englishman - Vic Buckingham that essentially paved the way for those foundations when he was head coach of Ajax in the late 50's... he recognised the players Ajax were bringing through the youth system had the skills and technique, they just needed the idea's to be given to them... which is where "habit football" essentially came from before being developed into total football.. doing things over and over again, being able to find a player instinctively.. keeping the ball, one and two touches moving up the pitch quickly, all the while.. keeping the ball.... that’s what he looked to re-introduce, successfully it would appear...

 

[Mr Pink]

The Ajax philosophy has always been built around possession football, and is a fairly simple one - if you keep the ball, the other team cannot score - the speed in which they do this has been largely irrelevant and from what I've seen of them under De Boer, it tends to be more incisive that AVB.. being able to identify the pass quicker, and complete that pass.

FDB has re-introduced the basic concepts that were almost lost under previous managers where Ajax started to move towards signing players for large (relative) sums instead of bringing players through the youth system that had been coached in this philosophy. Rinus Michels, Cruyff and Van Gaal get the credit for Ajax way of playing, or what the footballing world came to know as "total football" and possession football- but it was actually a former Spurs player, and Englishman - Vic Buckingham that essentially paved the way for those foundations when he was head coach of Ajax in the late 50's... he recognised the players Ajax were bringing through the youth system had the skills and technique, they just needed the idea's to be given to them... which is where "habit football" essentially came from before being developed into total football.. doing things over and over again, being able to find a player instinctively.. keeping the ball, one and two touches moving up the pitch quickly, all the while.. keeping the ball.... that’s what he looked to re-introduce, successfully it would appear...

Doing that in the Premier League is a different proposition though, and it obviously remains to be seen if we would be more incisive than we were under AVB as we don't know how effective it would end up being, particularly with this group of players - not to say we wouldn't be, we just don't know. And when I say speed, I don't just mean the speed of which we pass the ball - but the tempo we play at, passing, movement, everything - which is more than relevant taking into account how much we lacked it earlier on in the season. I also think being able to identify the pass quicker involves sharper and better movement to.

If those things are improved upon and we look more in sync in terms of an attacking outfit you'll not find me complaining.