The Case for Frank de Boer

[nicdic]

From the CL games I saw, they played it forward with pace with 1-2 touch passing. I haven't seen them in the league much but they have scored a good amount of goals. Since De Boer took over they have been in the top 2 scoring teams.

Goals scored in De Boer's time at Ajax
12/13 - 83
11/12 - 93
10/11 - 72 (De Boer took over 1/2 through)

Goals scored before De Boer took over
09/10 - 106
08/09 - 74
07/08 - 94

Now at first glance that might not look great, but the 3 seasons before De Boer took over, Ajax had amazing strikers like Suarez (09/10 - 35, 08/09 - 22, 07/08 - 17) and Huntelaar (07/08 - 33). Compare that to the strikers De Boer has had to work with. (he has even tried Eriksen and De Jong as CF):

El Hamdaoui - (10/11 - 13)
Bulykin (11/12 - 9)
Sigþórsson (11/12 - 7*, 12/13 - 7*) * - Injured half the season
Hoesen (12/13 - 5)

I've not watched any of Ajax, I'm just relaying what the initial article said, and what appears to be the frustrations of many Ajax fans.

 

[Flashspur]

its the arrivederci league innit....thats like managing in Scotland

 

[MarkyP]

if we appoint FDB.. Levy needs to follow suit with how the Liverpool board have treated Rogers.
Give him time.. last season finishing 7th... with some pretty poor results.. they have stuck with him, he has had time to implement his ideas and stamp his philosophy onto their playing style, and has been given the players he wants.. and boom.. they are now challanging for the title.

this constant hiring and firing of managers never allows them to get the team playing the way they want and start picking up results. Would think that if FDB is spoken to about the job..he should be using the Rogers example when asking for time to implement his style.

 

[SpursDave88]

I just wanted add the I don't think Rodgers needed time, just better players...last year he had to build the squad around Shelvey and Borini, he bought Coutinho and Sturridge in January and they have been doing well ever since then. I think they were initially playing good football but without the personnel to make it count, hence their poor league finish.

 

[beats1]

if we appoint FDB.. Levy needs to follow suit with how the Liverpool board have treated Rogers.
Give him time.. last season finishing 7th... with some pretty poor results.. they have stuck with him, he has had time to implement his ideas and stamp his philosophy onto their playing style, and has been given the players he wants.. and boom.. they are now challanging for the title.

this constant hiring and firing of managers never allows them to get the team playing the way they want and start picking up results. Would think that if FDB is spoken to about the job..he should be using the Rogers example when asking for time to implement his style.

Hi Marky this has been mentioned a couple of time but this bollocks about giving him time and accept a bad is season is exactly that, bollocks.

Rodgers got them playing well in the second half in the season and they didnt go backwards under Rodgers, depending on what happens this season. Us finishing 7th is the equivalent of Rodgers finishing either 9th or 10th last season. So hardly comparable. Also if they did go backwards under Rodgers I doubt their players would stay, under Rodgers at the end of the season it felt like they were go forwards whereas them finishing behind the likes of Swansea and West Brom their players would of potentially looked to jump ship.

 

[parklane1]

if we appoint FDB.. Levy needs to follow suit with how the Liverpool board have treated Rogers.
Give him time.. last season finishing 7th... with some pretty poor results.. they have stuck with him, he has had time to implement his ideas and stamp his philosophy onto their playing style, and has been given the players he wants.. and boom.. they are now challanging for the title.

this constant hiring and firing of managers never allows them to get the team playing the way they want and start picking up results. Would think that if FDB is spoken to about the job..he should be using the Rogers example when asking for time to implement his style.

Have to agree with this, the problem with our club is as soon as we lose a few games some fans start bitching and Levy panics.

 

[mpickard2087]

Hi Marky this has been mentioned a couple of time but this bollocks about giving him time and accept a bad is season is exactly that, bollocks.

Rodgers got them playing well in the second half in the season and they didnt go backwards under Rodgers, depending on what happens this season. Us finishing 7th is the equivalent of Rodgers finishing either 9th or 10th last season. So hardly comparable. Also if they did go backwards under Rodgers I doubt their players would stay, under Rodgers at the end of the season it felt like they were go forwards whereas them finishing behind the likes of Swansea and West Brom their players would of potentially looked to jump ship.

Yep agree with all this. Rodgers went through transition and got his ideas across without dropping away any further (League table wise). The signs were there at the end of last season that 'Pool would be set for a good season this time round, they were playing far better, coherent football than us at this time last year. They have even managed to refine it further and sacrifice some possession for greater threat in front of goal.

 

[beats1]

Have to agree with this, the problem with our club is as soon as we lose a few games some fans start bitching and Levy panics.

Funny how fans are trying to rewrite history.

People didn't fucking panic after some loses, people were angry because we didnt look like we knew what we doing!

AVB's started to lose support during the second half of last season, the performances were terrible and bale was saving us with great moments of brilliance. However some people claim it was part of his plan, having seen AVB manage alot at Porto, the performance by us were nothing like his philosophy. Then people say he didnt have the squad, which is just making excuses for him.

However it has been said the guy would refuse to budge and vetoed the signings of Isco and Pjanic as another option to Moutinho. If you can only work with one player to base your system on then you are flawed as manager. People last season would of loved to work with a squad of Bale, Ade, Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele and etc.

Now one fact you cant dispute is that he got our highest points total of all time in the PL, however the statistic do show that is down to the bottom half getting a very low points tally BUT if you consider that Timothy may get the next highest points total this season. Does that mean he should be considered as one of our best managers?

If we get to 74 points, I hope if the people calling for his heads are doing it because he is shit and not because he is english and doesn't have a philosophy(which we don't is true). Though I fear the people saying give Tim time if we do get to 74 points!

 

[SlickMongoose]

Though I fear the people saying give Tim time if we do get to 74 points!

Let's say we do win our next five games. And not only that, but look increasingly impressive doing it, scoring 3+ goals per game. Would people really still be so upset if he stayed?

 

[beats1]

Let's say we do win our next five games. And not only that, but look increasingly impressive doing it, scoring 3+ goals per game. Would people really still be so upset if he stayed?

Personally, yes but my reason are different to others as some of the stuff I was led to believe hasn't turned out to be true in relation to the him during his previous role.

 

[parklane1]

Funny how fans are trying to rewrite history.

People didn't fucking panic after some loses, people were angry because we didnt look like we knew what we doing!

AVB's started to lose support during the second half of last season, the performances were terrible and bale was saving us with great moments of brilliance. However some people claim it was part of his plan, having seen AVB manage alot at Porto, the performance by us were nothing like his philosophy. Then people say he didnt have the squad, which is just making excuses for him.

However it has been said the guy would refuse to budge and vetoed the signings of Isco and Pjanic as another option to Moutinho. If you can only work with one player to base your system on then you are flawed as manager. People last season would of loved to work with a squad of Bale, Ade, Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele and etc.

Now one fact you cant dispute is that he got our highest points total of all time in the PL, however the statistic do show that is down to the bottom half getting a very low points tally BUT if you consider that Timothy may get the next highest points total this season. Does that mean he should be considered as one of our best managers?

If we get to 74 points, I hope if the people calling for his heads are doing it because he is shit and not because he is english and doesn't have a philosophy(which we don't is true). Though I fear the people saying give Tim time if we do get to 74 points!

They do like to bitch though, the problem as i see it is that because some of them win games on FIFA they think football in real life is as easy.

 

[rabbikeane]

Let's say we do win our next five games. And not only that, but look increasingly impressive doing it, scoring 3+ goals per game. Would people really still be so upset if he stayed?

If we win our remaining games then it will be because we face teams that are far less talented than ourselves.
When we are up against the best teams it's been obvious that we're not very well organized and that Sherwood struggle to match the best managers in the league. Sherwood might get there somewhere down the line, but he definitely has a way to go and that need to be done in a lower team than Tottenham Hotspur, who's supposed to compete with the best in the game and have the financial clout to outspend all but 10 or so clubs in european football. Furthermore, Sherwood has shown that he's too passionate, struggle to handle his emotions and act in a very unprofessional manner at times. We need a stronger man, more experience and qualified manager.
If he want to manage, let him do so in another club. Somewhere he can co-operate with the development team at Spurs, loan players and further aid in young players development. Don't leave him here to lead world class talent.

 

[StartingPrice]

if we appoint FDB.. Levy needs to follow suit with how the Liverpool board have treated Rogers.
Give him time.. last season finishing 7th... with some pretty poor results.. they have stuck with him, he has had time to implement his ideas and stamp his philosophy onto their playing style, and has been given the players he wants.. and boom.. they are now challanging for the title.

this constant hiring and firing of managers never allows them to get the team playing the way they want and start picking up results. Would think that if FDB is spoken to about the job..he should be using the Rogers example when asking for time to implement his style.

I am amazed at the thralldom in which the Liverpool love-in media have got so many, especially spurs fans, over a self-serving diatribe by Rodgers.
For a start, there is no evidence whatsoever that if it had been him rather than AVB who had created issues behind the scenes (and, of course, led his team to some right dickings rather than having some excellent form) he would be the one heading for a third summer at his club. So they haven't done anything other than not fired him half-way through a season because he has been doing well and not causing any problems so far as we know behind the scenes.

Secondly, RDB has stated that FDB was offered the Liverpool job. He didn't clarify when that was - but logically I would guess it was either during the process to appoint Rodgers, making a mockery of his claim that he be the only candidate, or, as seems more likely to me, the summer just past, making a mockery of his claim that the board has shown loyalty at all. The hint is that if FDB had been willing to join Liverpool, Rodgers would have been out on his elbow after one season. And yet this comment has been totally swept under the carpet. No one has pursued it, or suggested it made Rodgers' diatribe appear a little disingenuous, at best. If that was a Spurs manager, you can bet your bottom dollar that the meeja wold have pursued and harassed him relentlessly demanding to know if his job had been offered to someone else, and how that related to his claims of board loyalty.

Thirdly, I had think Roy Hodgson is looking back fondly upon his time at his time in Dip-Ville thinking Wow, the LFC board were just so amazingly loyal and patient with me.

The fact is that in a strictly linear temporal sense, and in terms of his court-case, etc., Dan Levy showed more loyalty to Mr Redknapp than the Liverpool board did to Brendan Rodgers' predecessors, and, potentially, to him if it is correct that they offered his job FDB last summer.

Don't just swallow everything someone like Rodgers says, especially when the Liverpool love-in media are helping him promote it with such vigour and lack of critique.

Oh, and another thing - if Brendan Rodgers had been offered the Tottenham job he would have grabbed it with both hands /of!

 

[yojambo]

I am amazed at the thralldom in which the Liverpool love-in media have got so many, especially spurs fans, over a self-serving diatribe by Rodgers.
For a start, there is no evidence whatsoever that if it had been him rather than AVB who had created issues behind the scenes (and, of course, led his team to some right dickings rather than having some excellent form) he would be the one heading for a third summer at his club. So they haven't done anything other than not fired him half-way through a season because he has been doing well and not causing any problems so far as we know behind the scenes.

Secondly, RDB has stated that FDB was offered the Liverpool job. He didn't clarify when that was - but logically I would guess it was either during the process to appoint Rodgers, making a mockery of his claim that he be the only candidate, or, as seems more likely to me, the summer just past, making a mockery of his claim that the board has shown loyalty at all. The hint is that if FDB had been willing to join Liverpool, Rodgers would have been out on his elbow after one season. And yet this comment has been totally swept under the carpet. No one has pursued it, or suggested it made Rodgers' diatribe appear a little disingenuous, at best. If that was a Spurs manager, you can bet your bottom dollar that the meeja wold have pursued and harassed him relentlessly demanding to know if his job had been offered to someone else, and how that related to his claims of board loyalty.

Thirdly, I had think Roy Hodgson is looking back fondly upon his time at his time in Dip-Ville thinking Wow, the LFC board were just so amazingly loyal and patient with me.

The fact is that in a strictly linear temporal sense, and in terms of his court-case, etc., Dan Levy showed more loyalty to Mr Redknapp than the Liverpool board did to Brendan Rodgers' predecessors, and, potentially, to him if it is correct that they offered his job FDB last summer.

Don't just swallow everything someone like Rodgers says, especially when the Liverpool love-in media are helping him promote it with such vigour and lack of critique.

Oh, and another thing - if Brendan Rodgers had been offered the Tottenham job he would have grabbed it with both hands /of!

Take Gerrard and Suarez out of the team and then you'll find out how good Rodgers is. Lose those 2 and Liverpool will be like us without Bale and Modric. They have had a great season but they aren't set up for long term success imo. Not taking anything away from them, they deserve to be where they are but its because they have a couple of very good footballers not because Rodgers is the second coming.

 

[spurs9]

Take Gerrard and Suarez out of the team and then you'll find out how good Rodgers is. Lose those 2 and Liverpool will be like us without Bale and Modric. They have had a great season but they aren't set up for long term success imo. Not taking anything away from them, they deserve to be where they are but its because they have a couple of very good footballers not because Rodgers is the second coming.

Sturridge is good too.

Suarez though, what a player. 9 goals ahead of the 2nd top scorer and 8 assists ahead of 2nd place.

Also to put his acheivement (so far) into perspective.

Suarez this year - P28, G29, A20.

C.Roanldo's best season - P34, G31, A8.

Henry's best season (Goals)- P32, G30, A2
Henry's best season (Overall productivity)- P37, G24, A25

 

[shelfboy68]

I am amazed at the thralldom in which the Liverpool love-in media have got so many, especially spurs fans, over a self-serving diatribe by Rodgers.
For a start, there is no evidence whatsoever that if it had been him rather than AVB who had created issues behind the scenes (and, of course, led his team to some right dickings rather than having some excellent form) he would be the one heading for a third summer at his club. So they haven't done anything other than not fired him half-way through a season because he has been doing well and not causing any problems so far as we know behind the scenes.

Secondly, RDB has stated that FDB was offered the Liverpool job. He didn't clarify when that was - but logically I would guess it was either during the process to appoint Rodgers, making a mockery of his claim that he be the only candidate, or, as seems more likely to me, the summer just past, making a mockery of his claim that the board has shown loyalty at all. The hint is that if FDB had been willing to join Liverpool, Rodgers would have been out on his elbow after one season. And yet this comment has been totally swept under the carpet. No one has pursued it, or suggested it made Rodgers' diatribe appear a little disingenuous, at best. If that was a Spurs manager, you can bet your bottom dollar that the meeja wold have pursued and harassed him relentlessly demanding to know if his job had been offered to someone else, and how that related to his claims of board loyalty.

Thirdly, I had think Roy Hodgson is looking back fondly upon his time at his time in Dip-Ville thinking Wow, the LFC board were just so amazingly loyal and patient with me.

The fact is that in a strictly linear temporal sense, and in terms of his court-case, etc., Dan Levy showed more loyalty to Mr Redknapp than the Liverpool board did to Brendan Rodgers' predecessors, and, potentially, to him if it is correct that they offered his job FDB last summer.

Don't just swallow everything someone like Rodgers says, especially when the Liverpool love-in media are helping him promote it with such vigour and lack of critique.

Oh, and another thing - if Brendan Rodgers had been offered the Tottenham job he would have grabbed it with both hands /of!

Their good season has largely hinged on the fact they have had no European football this year and are fresh going into each game at least seven days apart.
Let's see how they do next year with champions league etc plus if they win the league they will have the added pressure of everyone raising their game to beat the
I can't help feeling a bit envious of them as I wish we could be them but some things ain't meant to be.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Funny how fans are trying to rewrite history.

People didn't fucking panic after some loses, people were angry because we didnt look like we knew what we doing!

AVB's started to lose support during the second half of last season, the performances were terrible and bale was saving us with great moments of brilliance. However some people claim it was part of his plan, having seen AVB manage alot at Porto, the performance by us were nothing like his philosophy. Then people say he didnt have the squad, which is just making excuses for him.

However it has been said the guy would refuse to budge and vetoed the signings of Isco and Pjanic as another option to Moutinho. If you can only work with one player to base your system on then you are flawed as manager. People last season would of loved to work with a squad of Bale, Ade, Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele and etc.

Now one fact you cant dispute is that he got our highest points total of all time in the PL, however the statistic do show that is down to the bottom half getting a very low points tally BUT if you consider that Timothy may get the next highest points total this season. Does that mean he should be considered as one of our best managers?

If we get to 74 points, I hope if the people calling for his heads are doing it because he is shit and not because he is english and doesn't have a philosophy(which we don't is true). Though I fear the people saying give Tim time if we do get to 74 points!

Seeing as most of those points were earn't by AVB i'd say no. He's not one of our best managers.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Seeing as most of those points were earn't by AVB i'd say no. He's not one of our best managers.

I make it Sherwood 32 - AVB 27.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

I make it Sherwood 32 - AVB 27.

So he's half best manager we've ever had.

*slow clap*

 

[YiddoInPoland]

The problem i have with him is the longevity of his appointment. People moan about Levy sacking, but what if this guy turns out as expected? it would be great, but then Barcelona come knocking and he is gone and we are back to being where we were previously, only this time no Levy to blame.

Maybe its thinking of issues before they arise, but it is a real one.