The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 4th July 2014

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The fact that Kono is available for £12m, the more I find it incredible that Levy isn't all over it.

We should look to take advantage of players in their last year of contract.

I'm sure that Richards is another one in the last year of his contract.

Maybe the scouts who are employed by the club have deemed him not suitable for us.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He is, but has he thrown one with us? From what little has emerged about his falling-out with Villas-Boas it appears the Bearded Wonder was at least 50% to blame (let's face it, if it really was over Ade wearing a beanie to training, as one version has it, the guy had to be seriously insecure to make a massive deal of that). If he needs his ego massaged a little a manager with any sense will massage it (and bloody hell, a lot of people wanted Berbatov back in January, and he caused us far more grief than Ade has). We definitely meed back up, though—even if Soldado recovers to the extent that he totters into double figures, like Pavlyuchenko in his second season, it won't be anywhere near enough.

Come on SS, a glance back through the back catalogue of Adebayor's previous managers reveals a litany of pissed off former gaffers. I will defend Ade the footballer all day long, but he has fucked off every single fotmer manager going back to his days in France. It's pretty well documented. If AVB was to blame it was only for not tolerating his bullshit.

 

[haydsmith]

He might score the odd goal but in the round Sigurdsson is a bang average player who never should have been bought.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Come on SS, a glance back through the back catalogue of Adebayor's previous managers reveals a litany of pissed off former gaffers. I will defend Ade the footballer all day long, but he has fucked off every single fotmer manager going back to his days in France. It's pretty well documented. If AVB was to blame it was only for not tolerating his bullshit.

Was going to say the same. Harry redknapp is pretty much the only manager he didn't rub the wrong way. Its obvious that is the one with the chip on his shoulder. And reading between the lines in an old Danny rose interview redknapp was a soft touch with players like ade and ekotto

 

[Barry Mead]

Griezmann has been strongly linked with a move to Atl Bilbao over the last two days. Although its probably bullshit as i think the original story came from Marca, if there is any truth to it then i would think we could successfully compete with them with for his signature. I agree though, i would br very surprised if we end up getting him but there are enough other very good left wingers out there that we shouldn't need to settle for J Rod or Remy.

Griezmann has an affection for Sociedad as they took him as a youngster, he's obviously more familiar with that area of Spain now, but he's French not Basque and rather has the world at his feet so I imagine will have lots of better options after the WC.
Bilbao do have CL this season but they are just as likely to miss it next season as Sociedad did this season, so I don't see him moving there. There was a lot of talk about PSG but I imagine he'll have plenty of choices other than that

 

[absolute bobbins]

I think getting Ade shipped out has to be a priority, we've seen with France that the team is more important than the individuals and Ade is a player who pulls in his own direction.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Never like being too critical about any of our players, but I do hope we move Siggy on. I know he hasn't been used correctly for the most part but he's just too peripheral for me, too weak on the ball as well as he gets brushed off it way too easily. The team needs to be built around him and he's not good enough to warrant that at Tottenham, nowhere near it.

Think it would be a good move all round if he goes back to Swansea.

Scored almost a goal every other game for Reading and Swansea and something like a goal every six games for us. Always seems that when we buy a player who has a respectable goals to games ratio they just crash and burn.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I think getting Ade shipped out has to be a priority, we've seen with France that the team is more important than the individuals and Ade is a player who pulls in his own direction.

Yup fourteen goals in twenty five games is no use to us.......sell him to the first bidder. Be rid of this useless twonk.

 

[SpurSince57]

Come on SS, a glance back through the back catalogue of Adebayor's previous managers reveals a litany of pissed off former gaffers. I will defend Ade the footballer all day long, but he has fucked off every single fotmer manager going back to his days in France. It's pretty well documented. If AVB was to blame it was only for not tolerating his bullshit.

Oh yes, right from his bust-up with Monaco over the ANC. Let's be honest, if he didn't have the reputation he has we wouldn't have him. However, we don't know the details of what happened between him and Villas-Boas, and the only hints that have come out have suggested it was started off by something incredibly trivial. Given that we know Levy takes a very dim view of anything that brings the club into disrepute, wouldn't he have backed Villas-Boas if Ade had done something totally outrageous? Instead, it seems that Villas-Boas' point-blank refusal to patch things up was the final straw for Levy.

If Pochettino thought he could handle Osvaldo, who seems to be a genuine psycho rather than a case of arrested development, he can surely handle Ade.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think getting Ade shipped out has to be a priority, we've seen with France that the team is more important than the individuals and Ade is a player who pulls in his own direction.

Yes, we should have packed him off last summer. Our season would have been so much more successful without him.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Another reason why we shouldn't be spending large amounts on a new striker. We have a good set of forwards and unless Ade go's to Monaco i don't see the need to bring in another whilst we have more pressing issues such as defence and LW.

As far as i can see a team scoring just 55 goals has never won the PL. I could be wrong on this but to suggest that Spurs have more pressing issues in defence just does not make sense. I just do not see that we have a good set of forwards at all based on last season.

 

[SpurSince57]

He presses in only fits and starts. Also, his pressing his negated by the fact he is incredibly weak in the tackle.

In fact, he won 82% of his tackles last season, marginally better than Paulinho's 80%. He also put in as many pro rata as Paulinho.

Oh no! I just brought Paulinho into, didn't I?

 

[HappySpur]

So Adebayor is leaving? ITK like this worries me as we are leaving ourselves a bit bare. And I don't want to be worried up until the last second about a potential replacement.

 

[ilikeost]

So Adebayor is leaving? ITK like this worries me as we are leaving ourselves a bit bare. And I don't want to be worried up until the last second about a potential replacement.

Where is the ITK on Ade?

 

[HappySpur]

Where is the ITK on Ade?

Everybody was talking about him so I assumed there was some. I just assumed it had been posted by somebody on my ignore list.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Come on SS, a glance back through the back catalogue of Adebayor's previous managers reveals a litany of pissed off former gaffers. I will defend Ade the footballer all day long, but he has fucked off every single fotmer manager going back to his days in France. It's pretty well documented. If AVB was to blame it was only for not tolerating his bullshit.

If he was good enough for Jose and Wenger (two very large extremes of management) then he should be good enough for Poch.

If you look at Ade's volume of work over his career he has always scored goals, and that's one thing Spurs have not done this past decade. To suggest that "Adebayor's previous managers reveals a litany of pissed off former gaffers" is simply unfounded. Wenger was pissed when he wanted to leave for Man Citeh, but what manager wouldn't be? Name me a Spurs manager who was jumping for joy when Bebartov, Carrick, Modric, Keane and Bale stuck in a transfer request? AVB pissed everyone off at Chel$ea fact. That's one of the reasons he was fired, and another for his short tenure at Spurs. He simply lost the players motivation to play for him.

Like him or loathe him Sherwood got Ade back into the side in in half a season he scored fourteen goals. I'd take that next season because i simply cannot see that return coming from the other two. No way.

 

[Greenspur]

Everybody was talking about him so I assumed there was some. I just assumed it had been posted by somebody on my ignore list.

You have an ignore list?

 

[SpurSince57]

Everybody was talking about him so I assumed there was some. I just assumed it had been posted by somebody on my ignore list.

Amongst much, much else, Ali Z posted: 'Ade is on ridiculous wages so very hard to move him on'.

When we signed Ade two years ago the Telegraph, which is probably the most trustworthy paper for this sort of thing, reported that he was on £100k a week and had taken a £4m signing-on fee to compensate for the cut in wages from £170k a week. That doesn't strike me as being 'ridiculous'.

 

[Jamturk]

Amongst much, much else, Ali Z posted: 'Ade is on ridiculous wages so very hard to move him on'.

When we signed Ade two years ago the Telegraph, which is probably the most trustworthy paper for this sort of thing, reported that he was on £100k a week and had taken a £4m signing-on fee to compensate for the cut in wages from £170k a week. That doesn't strike me as being 'ridiculous'.

Best chance would be Monaco or 1 of the Turkish teams as their is little tax on high earners.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Yup fourteen goals in twenty five games is no use to us.......sell him to the first bidder. Be rid of this useless twonk.

Yes, we should have packed him off last summer. Our season would have been so much more successful without him.

Ok, neither of you seem to grasp what I'm saying. I never said he was useless, never said he didn't get us out of a jam last season but the fact remains that we need players who, when the manager says jump, ask 'how high' not 'why?'

Look at the French side, left Nasri at home despite having a very good season because by all accounts he's an arsehole and they're performing far beyond the French public's expectations.

I want Pochettino to succeed at Spurs and the fact is that he has a better chance of doing that without a player who is clearly willing to do what he wants, question and defy the head coach in front of the rest of the team.