The Daily ITK Discussion thread 9th June 2012

[SpurSince57]

I doubt it. None of our key players are really Redknapp men per se. Parker possibly, but he seems like a smart enough bloke.

Some might grumble that things might not be as fun/casual under the next coach, but when they see how much training and tactics can actually improve them they'll soon become converts.

What, like they did with Juanque?

 

[Blockbuster]

A lot of time has passed since then and in that time Harry let something distract him from the job he was contracted to do. Even you can't ignore that surely?

Whichever way you look at it, Harry's position isn't as strong now as it was back then and at least part of that is his fault. If he's now dicking about over contract negotiations then he's playing a dangerous game and as I said, if Levy doesn't trust him then he shouldn't be manager.

I'm in no way ignoring it but I'm not willing to say its ALL Harry's fault because that would be foolish.

We cannot deny Arsenal had freakishly good luck in a lot of their matches? How many last minute goals?
Also it's not like we played badly, luck just wasn't on our side, fact is we won 1 extra game it would have made all the difference.


If's and but's I know... Yes we ballsed it up but we came so close, it shouldn't be discarded. We wouldn't even be having this chat if Chelsea didn't somehow win the CL. Harry would have that new contract signed and sealed.

 

[Spurvert]

I wonder how important Harry is regarding our potential signings.

I don't like what I'm hearing but it's expected and understandable.

 

[SpurSince57]

Could be that H does not want to work with a Dof... Seems that Levy has been pushing to bring one in.

There's been no information that that's the case, has there? It strikes me that Li'l' Dan enjoys the wheeling and dealing far too much to keep out of that side of things anyway. Comolli certainly didn't seem to get a completely free hand.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

We shouldn't have been relying on Arsenal having "luck" or Chelsea "somehow winning the CL" - that's the truth of the matter. We should take care of our own business, which we didn't do.

Who takes responsibility? The man who's paid, what £4m a year, to make the decisions that matter.

 

[SpurSince57]

Why do we owe Redknapp loyalty when he would have left us if the right offer came along for him?! Him, him, him!

Is this a fact?

There was nothing on the horizon but the England job, was there?

 

[Blockbuster]

We shouldn't have been relying on Arsenal having "luck" or Chelsea "somehow winning the CL" - that's the truth of the matter. We should take care of our own business, which we didn't do.

Who takes responsibility? The man who's paid, what £4m a year, to make the decisions that matter.

If only he was on the pitch, he might have done more that most of our players did.

How much our our players paid to win games?

Because you know...Harry only tells them to go run around a bit, so surely he can't go wrong?

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Is this a fact?

There was nothing on the horizon but the England job, was there?

Which Harry didn't want, of course.... he was busting to stay, that's why he came out and said "I'm staying!!" to settle our players, and then we marched on through the early months of 2012 and finished 3rd at a canter!!!!!

Oh wait... that didn't happen.

 

[talkshowhost86]

It just seems to me that there are a lot of daftly simplistic arguments on both side of this Harry debate.

"We came 4th...he should be given a new contract". Well not if his remit was to get us into the Champions League.

"We didn't get Champions League...he should be sacked." Well not if his remit was to come 4th. In fact in that case we can't sack him without a huge amount of compensation.

 

[McFlash]

If things continue in the manner that they currently are (according to jj), then I can only see a rocky road ahead.
It's never going to work if the chairman and manager are at odds. H will make sure that he gets the press on his side but he'll also be doing similar with the senior players.
There will be too many divisions for the club to operate smoothly.

Unless we've got someone like JM lined up for next season, I really can't see the point of wasting a season and losing ground to those around us. Sounds like a bit of a Fuck up to me.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I wonder how important Harry is regarding our potential signings.

I don't like what I'm hearing but it's expected and understandable.

About as important as Di Matteo is I'd imagine. Levy will surely have been planning that/acting assuming Redknapp wouldn't be here now for at least a year.

I doubt Redknapp knew who Verts was till his ghost writer at the Sun said we were signing at him.

 

[mpickard2087]

Wasnt it Ryan (and he would be arguably best placed ITK on this) who said the other day that there was a 4 year deal on the table a few months back for Harry and he didnt take it? Presumably because he thought the England job was his for the taking.

You cant just turn that down and then when the better job offer evaporates into thin air go back to your current employer and assume the offer that you have already turned down is still there for you. He's negotiating from a far weaker position now.

 

[Dare!]

I doubt Redknapp knew who Verts was till his ghost writer at the Sun said we were signing at him.

You have got to be on the wind up with this one, Dan.

 

[mil1lion]

Harry should just get on with the job and earn a new contract. Had we not hit a slump and finished 3rd instead of 4th i'm sure he would have gotten a new contract. He now has a point to prove. Now is the time to strengthen the squad and mount another push for a top 4 finish. Do that and get yourself the contract you want.

 

[scat1620]

JJ's information in this thread today is very worrying and leaves me really depressed about our prospects for next season. More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision, and all that.

For all Harry's flaws (and there are several), the buck for the fortunes of our club stops with Levy and if he's not prepared to back his manager with a contract longer than beyond the end of the current season and a transfer budget that will allow us to recruit players above the Saha/Nelsen bracket, then he must sack him and bring in someone who he is prepared to back in that fashion. Sitting on the fence with a manager that the Board don't believe in is one of the surest ways available for us to guarantee a lot of misery between now and next May.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

If only he was on the pitch, he might have done more that most of our players did.

How much our our players paid to win games?

Because you know...Harry only tells them to go run around a bit, so surely he can't go wrong?

Sure, the players have to take some responsibility. Some will be moved on as they aren't good enough, some will stay. But ultimately football is a results business for the managers. The buck stops with them, and always has done.

And it's not like it's the first time this happened. 2010/11 pretty much went the same way as 2011/12 - except we all blamed being in the Champions League then. We had nothing to distract us this time. We collapsed, badly. Again.

There was a lot to be frustrated with. What formation suited us best.... how set we were at set pieces.... how much other teams "wanted it" in comparison to our lack lustre performances.... how much the opposition managers "wanted it" more than Harry. Compare and contrasted Paul Lambert and Harry Redknapp. Lambert kicked every ball, shouted instructions from the sidelines for his players to follow.... then pan around to Harry... sat on the bench. Marvellous.

 

[felmani26]

It just seems to me that there are a lot of daftly simplistic arguments on both side of this Harry debate.

"We came 4th...he should be given a new contract". Well not if his remit was to get us into the Champions League.

"We didn't get Champions League...he should be sacked." Well not if his remit was to come 4th. In fact in that case we can't sack him without a huge amount of compensation.

Confusion and conflict is surrounding the whole club - not to mention us mere fans!

Instead of all facets of the club pulling together and moving in the same direction, it seems we are at an impasse and one where there appears to be no obvious solution to.

 

[dazherring]

Wrong boy to talk to, talk to JR instead!!

Well that would be lovely jj but turns out he's not a buddy lol

 

[AngerManagement]

Hopefully those involved know that you can't sell deadwood for the price of Mahogany.

This is all too familiar. Still no Verts announcement yet either? Hmmmmmn...

Adie's nothing to worry about anyway, I heard from my source that he's signed a precontract with Glory Glory or FTL...

...see ya!

Let's hope your source is more reliable than his

 

[Tottenham Tom]

Could be that H does not want to work with a Dof... Seems that Levy has been pushing to bring one in.

Says who? As I recall the respected ITKs have poo pooed such a suggestion.