The Luis Suarez Saga: It's official. He's gone.

[talkshowhost86]

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FIFA sources say Suárez' punishment has to reflect reality:"What's the difference between what he did & a head butt, or a deliberate elbow?"

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AS English ‏@English_AS 19m

Suárez minimum ban would be as for violent conduct: four matches, though could be more. All to be served with national team.

There's a certain amount of rationality behind that (although personally I think biting is much worse than either headbutting or elbowing someone), but surely the football governing bodies have to take into account that this is a repeat offence.

If someone was suspended for violent conduct three times all for headbutting someone, shouldn't their punishment increase each time? Otherwise what's the incentive for the player to stop doing the same thing again and again?

I just don't understand how they can separate this from his previous actions. The punishment HAS to reflect the fact that he's not learning at all otherwise there's really no point.

 

[Phantom]

Players routinely go in for - illegal - tackles that threaten other player's careers and get no ban at all even retrospectively. I'd much rather se them punished severely.

Don't worry BC Suarez has that aspect covered as well....:



(Quite an old clip but you get the point)

 

[Mr Pink]

There's a certain amount of rationality behind that (although personally I think biting is much worse than either headbutting or elbowing someone), but surely the football governing bodies have to take into account that this is a repeat offence.

If someone was suspended for violent conduct three times all for headbutting someone, shouldn't their punishment increase each time? Otherwise what's the incentive for the player to stop doing the same thing again and again?

I just don't understand how they can separate this from his previous actions. The punishment HAS to reflect the fact that he's not learning at all otherwise there's really no point.

Well if its only a four game ban they're clearly not treating it as a repeat offence which is disgusting given this is the world Governing Body of football.

Like you say, if the punishment doesn't reflect the fact that he's failed to learn from previous punishments its gross incompetence from FIFA IMO.

Its not like the prior incidents were of a varying nature - they were all biting someone.

I just find it inexplicable really. Its also teaching the younger generation, associated with football, that at the end of the day you can get away with it as the punishment isn't commensurate with the act - and crucially in this case, repeated acts.

I could understand him getting a four game ban had this been his first offence. Ignoring the prior incidents is removing all context that is required to reach a suitable punishment.

 

[wadewill]

I think the English media are really making a big deal of this because of what has gone on before, particularly during and after the England game last week. They were waiting for him to mess up after what he said and low and behold it took him a matter of days. They guys is scum.


But come on, a lifetime ban? A few games internationally. Its not in normal human nature and its more weird to see someone doing it as its so unaccepted in our society. I think if it was someone who didn’t play in the prem and didn’t just single handedly beat England the press would not really give a sh1t, as it is, and its him they are going to go on and on and on about this to milk it for all its worth.


We need to be realistic, its primitive and the guy clearly has mental issues but it’s a petty stupid thing, not something that is going to end a career or the like.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

forget justice or rationality.. Suarez not playing for the bindippers next season . either through a ban or transfer


pretty please Karma

 

[Mr Pink]

He'll get the International ban but I also think Liverpool will sell him. They can't afford for this to happen again. The situation is already extremely precarious for them but if it happens again they could be looking at a global ban and a player they can't sell who's value is diminishing rapidly all the time he's not playing.

They might lose out on a few quid on him now but obviously they'd still receive a huge fee for him. I think they'll weigh it up and they'll sell him if one of the big boys come in hoping to get him for a bit less than what they would of had to pay.

Its a risk Liverpool can't afford to take now. They know the probability of him doing it again will be high, especially if the ban he receives now is relatively lenient.

Could be that he goes for 60-70 million now, as opposed to 80 million plus. That would be my guess anyway. If there is a release clause I'm sure Liverpool won't be putting up much of a fight if its triggered now.

 

[HobbitSpur]

Sorry to disagree with you wadewill, but this is having the same effect all over Europe and North & South America.

Yes we may be relating to it more as he plays in the PL and has form, but I am sure that if we had qualified top of the group the reaction would be exactly the same.

 

[HobbitSpur]

forget justice or rationality.. Suarez not playing for the bindippers next season . either through a ban or transfer


pretty please Karma

Who's Karma, does he work for FIFA


EDIT: On reflection I realise how off the mark my attempt at a witty quote was. How could there be any Karma within FIFA

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Don't worry BC Suarez has that aspect covered as well....:



(Quite an old clip but you get the point)

See, shit like that gets me far more annoyed than the stupid bitty shit. I'd happily see heavy bans for stuff like that.

 

[Matthew Gilbert]

Maybe there is some hope... Keyword being "maybe"!

"A senior Fifa official tells Sky News the Uruguay striker should face a lengthy ban for allegedly biting an opponent."

http://news.sky.com/story/1288800/fifa-suarez-must-face-severe-sanction

 

[portogirl]

Maybe there is some hope... Keyword being "maybe"!
"A senior Fifa official tells Sky News the Uruguay striker should face a lengthy ban for allegedly biting an opponent."

http://news.sky.com/story/1288800/fifa-suarez-must-face-severe-sanction

yes, maybe. However, if FIFA was a fit for purpose organisation then they wouldn't comment or prejudge the position ahead of the disciplinary meeting.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think the English media are really making a big deal of this because of what has gone on before, particularly during and after the England game last week. They were waiting for him to mess up after what he said and low and behold it took him a matter of days. They guys is scum.


But come on, a lifetime ban? A few games internationally. Its not in normal human nature and its more weird to see someone doing it as its so unaccepted in our society. I think if it was someone who didn’t play in the prem and didn’t just single handedly beat England the press would not really give a sh1t, as it is, and its him they are going to go on and on and on about this to milk it for all its worth.


We need to be realistic, its primitive and the guy clearly has mental issues but it’s a petty stupid thing, not something that is going to end a career or the like.

So if a player punched another player, was suspended for 7 games, then came back and punched someone else, was suspended for 8 games and then came back and punched someone else again you don't think he'd deserve a severely lengthened ban?

What about if someone did the same with spitting?

Neither are going to end a career, but both are things that should be completely wiped out of the game. It's the same with biting.

It's clear Suarez isn't learning following the bans he's been given. The only option is therefore to increase the bans, and allowing him to hide behind the fact that he did it at international level rather than club level is pathetic in the extreme.

Yes the English press are a bit of a nightmare...but the guy has bitten three separate people! Why wouldn't they have it in for him? They are right to.

 

[DuDe]

Bullying Our Legend Luis. Oh Crazy Kop Stupidity.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

just in case the high horse is getting a bit precarious ... JD taking a lump out of a spammer in 2006

 

[Mr Pink]

In this case the British Press are quite right to be all over this.

Somebody has to treat this in a serious manner FFS.

 

[Donki]

just in case the high horse is getting a bit precarious ... JD taking a lump out of a spammer in 2006

This can't be ignored for sure but the big difference with Louis is this is the third time in for seasons. I can see frustration getting to a player, I can see a random act out of rage. 3 times? Come on he's takin the piss and his comments after the game shows he hasn't learnt a thing and all his past appogies were nothing but horse shit.

I want harsher punishments for all malicious activity, dangerous fouls, head butting, spitting etc.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

just in case the high horse is getting a bit precarious ... JD taking a lump out of a spammer in 2006

He did it once and it seriously undermined his credibility as a footballer in my opinion.

Headbutting and elbowing and OTT challenges cannot be condoned but they do sometimes flow as a natural extension of aggressive play. Biting doesn't.

It also carries risks which go far beyond a bruise or even a career threatening injury, although I accept this is at the rather extreme end of the scale of probabilities. Nevertheless, medical staff wear gloves to prevent the risk of transferred infection, and a player who is bleeding is not allowed to carry on playing until there is no blood evident.

Biting is a different order of offence, with different risks attached, from most other types of violent conduct ever encountered on a football pitch.

 

[yankspurs]

Imagine a 4 game international ban from FIFA for his 3rd biting incident and 4th punishable offense. Meanwhile the bans for the first bite was 7 games. The racial incident was 8 games. The 2nd bite was 10 games. Its quite obvious that the 25 games total ban he's received for his 3 priors have not effected him in the least. A minimum full season ban from competitve football should be at play here and thats the bare minimum. In reality, he should receive at least 2 seasons ban from competitive football. Should be more like lifetime. It really should have happened after the 2nd bite. 3 strikes, you're done. This is his 4th! How many more is he allowed? Time to step up and take a stand.

 

[Shanks]

You're incorrect.

Of the top of my head.

England 2003 Rugby
England 2005 Cricket
Bradly Wiggins 2012
Andy Murray.. I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

oh fuck it I cant be bothered.

Give me ten nasty sides/individuals that have won something global (and before you say the Ashes isnt global it was basically the world cup final at that time)

You are good poster but you are so off the mark here.

Ah see, the difference is, I'm talking about football specifically, not any other sport.

That I give you, other sports are capable of winning fairly, but you rarely see it in football - I'm open to being told of teams that one, fairly, without any cheating or nastiness what so ever, but I cannot think of any.

You are also a good poster, but I'm not off the mark here at all.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Personally I think that a punch, kick or even head butt are in one class of aggression & biting is a whole other level.

I've got kids & one has to teach them behavioural norms.

When a kid punches or kicks someone, it's an incident and you have a chat & explain why it's wrong & that.

A small percentage of kids bite. When this happens it's far more serious & one starts to think about bringing in counsellors. If a kid continued biting, & did it 3 times I would totally expect him or her to be excluded from school & to be obliged to take serious counselling,, probably with the parents.

Biting is just taboo. Probably because we all know deep down that it's abnormal. It's Norse Berserker mentality going on. It's scary.