The VAR Thread

nailsy

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Need to change it to a review system giving each team two reviews per match. Put it up on the big screen stating what the review is for, get it wrong you lose your review. Make it entertainment don’t use it to rule out goals leaving everyone confused because you have failed to communicate
VAR is meant to prevent the rules being broken. What you're suggesting is a half measure that doesn't solve anything. You'd still get var decisions that nobody agreed with and we'd just end up with refs still being blamed for missing game changing decisions.

I really really hope they scrap VAR (was in favour) it and shit refs are ruining football
You can't have it both ways. You either have to accept that refs are human and will make mistakes, or back VAR in some form to help them out.
 

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VAR is meant to prevent the rules being broken. What you're suggesting is a half measure that doesn't solve anything. You'd still get var decisions that nobody agreed with and we'd just end up with refs still being blamed for missing game changing decisions.
Much like in cricket and tennis, it should be used to cut out clear and obvious errors, not to enforce every rule. Subjectivity always remains, for example the first Norwich goal comes from a free kick that should never have been given. VAR doesn’t remove that, so I would argue we should put its use in the hands of teams and if the deign to use reviews up in the situations they shouldn’t have and that proves to be their unsticking. So what, they will learn to be smarter with it’s use
 

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VAR is meant to prevent the rules being broken. What you're suggesting is a half measure that doesn't solve anything. You'd still get var decisions that nobody agreed with and we'd just end up with refs still being blamed for missing game changing decisions.



You can't have it both ways. You either have to accept that refs are human and will make mistakes, or back VAR in some form to help them out.
I was hoping it would help the game, but it hasn't, and with shit refs who now bottle giving a penalty a lot of the times, and still get the spotlight because not only they get it wrong but so are the ref in the VAR box.
 

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Much like in cricket and tennis, it should be used to cut out clear and obvious errors, not to enforce every rule. Subjectivity always remains, for example the first Norwich goal comes from a free kick that should never have been given. VAR doesn’t remove that, so I would argue we should put its use in the hands of teams and if the deign to use reviews up in the situations they shouldn’t have and that proves to be their unsticking. So what, they will learn to be smarter with it’s use
what 1st Norwich goal? if your talking about the Spurs game, it was conceded because Foyth lost the ball outside the area
 

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Much like in cricket and tennis, it should be used to cut out clear and obvious errors, not to enforce every rule. Subjectivity always remains, for example the first Norwich goal comes from a free kick that should never have been given. VAR doesn’t remove that, so I would argue we should put its use in the hands of teams and if the deign to use reviews up in the situations they shouldn’t have and that proves to be their unsticking. So what, they will learn to be smarter with it’s use
It should just be for clear and obvious decisions, but the review system you're backing would only help a small amount of the issues and you'd still end up with games ruined by poor decisions that var could have overturned. What's the point in having a system and not using it when it's actually needed?

I was hoping it would help the game, but it hasn't, and with shit refs who now bottle giving a penalty a lot of the times, and still get the spotlight because not only they get it wrong but so are the ref in the VAR box.
Personally I think the refs are caught in the middle here and aren't quite sure what to do at the moment. They don't want to give a decision if they aren't sure, but the system is currently set up to protect the ref, rather than get the right decision. You can solve it by letting the ref look at a replay.

what 1st Norwich goal? if your talking about the Spurs game, it was conceded because Foyth lost the ball outside the area
He means the Brighton game, when there was no contact by Winks on their player, but they got the free kick.
 

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Personally I think the refs are caught in the middle here and aren't quite sure what to do at the moment. They don't want to give a decision if they aren't sure, but the system is currently set up to protect the ref, rather than get the right decision. You can solve it by letting the ref look at a replay.
and the really annoying thing about it is the time it takes to make those decisions the ref could get to the screen and review it again himself
 

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I was hoping it would help the game, but it hasn't, and with shit refs who now bottle giving a penalty a lot of the times, and still get the spotlight because not only they get it wrong but so are the ref in the VAR box.
That's because it's it's not being used correctly. All those goals being chalked off because of a few millimetres should have stood, the players would have been deemed to be level.

FIFA UEAFA or whoever should put a directive to the EPL/FA and tell them it should only be used for clear and obvious mistakes ang that the ref must use pitch side monitors and he should make the decision not someone who is miles away
 

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Clear & obvious should be the watch word & they should able to do that in 15 secs & the Ref should use the pitch side monitors or not be considered good enough to Ref in Europe or at the WC.
 

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Has to be that one, it was a dive. Nothing wrong with either Norwich goal apart from our own stupidity.
I don't think they would review it, as it was a reckless challenge which is a free kick anyway. They only review offsides if it leads to a goal or interferes with play that leads to a goal. Penalty decisions hand balls that lead/stop goals. Not everything is reviewed and if the referee does not want to use VAR he does not have to.
 

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I don't know who originally mentioned it, but they were talking about it on MoTD and the suggestion was the offside rule should be changed, where the only part of the body that needs to be level or behind the defender is the feet. Ian Wright said as a striker they are used to bending their runs as a ball is played through, so his feet stay on side, but that sometimes means the top half of their body would now be in an offside position.

If they changed the rule to only look at the feet it will get rid of the armpit offsides that have now appeared with VAR
 

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Don't have to change the offside law just have to look for clear & oblivious & stop looking for mm.
 

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At least IFAB know the PL have fucked it up, and are telling it like it is. New guideline reminders to be sent out soon and expect significant changes at the latest at the start of next season.


In general terms, that advice will be that technology cannot definitively make a ruling on offside as it can over whether a shot has crossed the goal line, and that therefore VAR should only be used to correct “clear and obvious” mistakes.

“Clear and obvious still remains - it’s an important principle. There should not be a lot of time spent to find something marginal,” Brud told PA Sport.

“If something is not clear on the first sight, then it’s not obvious and it shouldn’t be considered. Looking at one camera angle is one thing but looking at 15, trying to find something that was potentially not even there, this was not the idea of the VAR principle. It should be clear and obvious.”
 

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IFAB are saying VAR shouldn’t be being used in these marginal offside calls, in fact their existing guidance says the technology can’t be relied on to make these kind of calls.


You really have to wonder why the FA, PL and PMGOL have ignored this.
Because the powers that be in England really just do not give a shit.
 

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At least IFAB know the PL have fucked it up, and are telling it like it is. New guideline reminders to be sent out soon and expect significant changes at the latest at the start of next season.

Next season isnt good enough. This thing is an unmitigated disaster and it must be changed.
 

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Next season isnt good enough. This thing is an unmitigated disaster and it must be changed.
It's mental that the PGMOL have taken the approach they have. It's right there in the article, The Ifab stressed the guidance on offside will not be new advice. That means it's the English who have fucked it, again.

I just don't trust them to make a mid-seasom change. They'll argue that they can't have different interpretations at different points of the season, even if they've got it completely wrong the first time.
 

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It's mental that the PGMOL have taken the approach they have. It's right there in the article, The Ifab stressed the guidance on offside will not be new advice. That means it's the English who have fucked it, again.

I just don't trust them to make a mid-seasom change. They'll argue that they can't have different interpretations at different points of the season, even if they've got it completely wrong the first time.
While it would mean teams get hard done by, they cant keep compounding the issue when it gets worse and worse every week. Especially when it isnt an interpretation and its really just a blatant disregard for the rules.
 

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The VAR decision in the Villa game just show how crazy this is getting. The VAR Room interfering with every decision being made by the referee. First the armpit and today the heel of a boot.
 

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I don't know who originally mentioned it, but they were talking about it on MoTD and the suggestion was the offside rule should be changed, where the only part of the body that needs to be level or behind the defender is the feet. Ian Wright said as a striker they are used to bending their runs as a ball is played through, so his feet stay on side, but that sometimes means the top half of their body would now be in an offside position.

If they changed the rule to only look at the feet it will get rid of the armpit offsides that have now appeared with VAR

I agree with that but not as a solution to the VAR offside issue. The issue with VAR isnt really the offside rule itself, its the damn lines...

If the offside is not obvious to the naked eye using the monitor then the goal should be given... none of these lines. Even if you have feet as the point of contention youre still going to be using the lines regardless UNLESS the use of lines are stopped.

I think VAR as a whole is working ok with the exception of offsides and the inability to listen to the conversation which i think should be bought in.
 
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