The VAR Thread

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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lads, i'm going to have to stop you both, the good news is you are both correct, the not so good news is that you're both talking about a different var incident.
 

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I don’t get this line of argument, goals have been chalked off since long before VAR got involved. It’s the way it’s being implemented that’s the issue, the time taken to overanalyse and the pretty clear incompetence (or worse, corruption) of the refs making the decisions at Stockley Park.

Clear and obvious errors should be able to be ruled on in less than a minute, anything else should be up to the match day referee.
I've mentioned before, but when your at a stadium you will know if the goal stands within a few seconds, or normally at the same time as it is disallowed.Offside, super easy. The flag will be up. A foul, again you will see the ref clearly not give the goal. It really isn't comparable. On tv, sure. I'll put it this way, one of the most famous disallowed goals was Campbell vs Argentina in 1998. It took less than 4 seconds for the TV to announce that the goal was disallowed. While Campbell celebrated like he has scored the goal was actually never given.

Which leads me to a main point. Before VAR no goal is 'disallowed', this is a footballing term but it is not really reflective on the reality. Because a 'disallowed' goal is simply one that the referee never gives in the first place. After a goal is scored the ref will point to the half way line, if he doesn't it simply Isn't a goal. The process is entirely different.

Also, if Son was sent off I don't see how Maguire wasn't.
 

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"It was human error"

wait... so after costing a shit ton of money and patience, the FA have just basically admitted the single obvious flaw that was pointed out from day fucking one?

Well, i'm sure glad all that research went into the technology so we could basically have a remote-referee, with all the same flaws that the guy on the pitch has.

Mockery.
 

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"It was human error"

wait... so after costing a shit ton of money and patience, the FA have just basically admitted the single obvious flaw that was pointed out from day fucking one?

Well, i'm sure glad all that research went into the technology so we could basically have a remote-referee, with all the same flaws that the guy on the pitch has.

Mockery.
lol yeah I didn't get that BT we're saying that it's not the fault of the computer it was a human error...it's that what VAR is anyway, video assistant referee??
 

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"It was human error"

wait... so after costing a shit ton of money and patience, the FA have just basically admitted the single obvious flaw that was pointed out from day fucking one?

Well, i'm sure glad all that research went into the technology so we could basically have a remote-referee, with all the same flaws that the guy on the pitch has.

Mockery.
Not quite. A remote ref with the same flaws but the benefit of a clear view, slow motion, no players and fans shouting at them and multiple angles of the incident.

Nobody has ever claimed it would remove human error. Plenty of things to argue about with VAR without creating a strawman.
 

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Has it been confirmed that had Bournemouth not scored then the pen wouldn't have been given against them for handball?
 

Marty

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Has it been confirmed that had Bournemouth not scored then the pen wouldn't have been given against them for handball?
I thought the VAR refs were doing a handball check but Bournemouth just happened to score before the ball went out of play/the check was finished. Could be wrong though.
 
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Just catching up with those Burnley highlights, and the VAR bollocks. Honestly, what's even the point in playing sometimes. Just let VAR simulate it all.

Beyond a joke now. It's irrefutably ruined this season.
 

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Why was evertons winner chalked off? Timestamped

Are they saying Siggy was interfering with play? Because it doesn't look like it touched him.

It would help if we heard what the conversation was between the ref and the VAR official like in Rugby, or if the ref gave an explanation afterwards like in American Football.
 

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Are they saying Siggy was interfering with play? Because it doesn't look like it touched him.
The ball doesn't have to touch someone for that person to be interfering with play.

We can argue all night about whether De Gea would've had a chance of saving it had Gylfi not been in the way (he probably wouldn't have), but according to the rulebook this was a correct call but in a bit of a grey area.
 

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The reason he was on the floor in the first place was beacause he got completely cleaned out
 

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The ball doesn't have to touch someone for that person to be interfering with play.
Technically (well almost technically) someone does have to touch someone to be interfering with play.

We can argue all night about whether De Gea would've had a chance of saving it had Gylfi not been in the way (he probably wouldn't have), but according to the rulebook this was a correct call but in a bit of a grey area.
What was determined here was that the player was "interfering with an opponent by preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision".

So I can 100% understand the argument that De Gea was never going to save this even if the opponent wasn't there. My personal opinion is that this was correctly called offside, but I'm open to the argument that it wasn't a clear and obvious error so VAR probably shouldn't have gotten involved. To be honest, this is one of those situations where no matter what the final decision is, one team and their supporters will be pissed off.
 

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I thought VAR had been abandoned. Not used at all in our game despite their being one clear handball in the Wolves penalty area.
 
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