Wage Limit - The real problem

[NEVILLEB]

I was against the Olympic Site. To make up the revenue gap, the NDP would be sufficient, providing the debt we took on to develop it was on a par with the debt levels the Gooners took on for the Death Star, c£250m.

The enabling works (flats, supermarket, hotel, museum, cafe's etc) were critical to this.

At £250m, interest levels would be broadly okay to allow us to increase the wage structure.



It is the current intention to get them off the wage bill to free up their wages for players that will improve us.

Most of the players you listed were players that were bought to improve on previous squads (or youngsters worth taking a punt on), so it is more a question of evolution than revolution.

Agreed but why weren't they moved on last summer? Is it because Levy is asking too much?

If we wait until he's shipped them all out then all the best strikers will have been snapped up

 

[StartingPrice]

Ahem...gentlemen, gentlemen...this thread is about the (mythical) wage limit. There is a perfectly good thread in which to discuss the new stadium.

Gawd the gall of the man (me) - complaining about others spammingmg:

 

[jimmy-jojo]

The problem is with the wage limit but I don't think we are not able to compete.

Did anyone see the list recently published of the 100 highest paid footabllers in the world? How can a club like Sevilla afford to pay Kanoute £5m per year and THFC a club that is in the top 10 highest revenue earnng clubs in the world don't have a single player in that top 100 highest paid players?

 

[Breezer]

The problem is with the wage limit but I don't think we are not able to compete.

Did anyone see the list recently published of the 100 highest paid footabllers in the world? How can a club like Sevilla afford to pay Kanoute £5m per year and THFC a club that is in the top 10 highest revenue earnng clubs in the world don't have a single player in that top 100 highest paid players?

Because we're run as a profit making business! Lets be honest... Joe Lewis could pay our player wages with his bank interest money! But Enic do not pay big wages and hope to break-even every year. They're only interested in making PROFIT!

Tottenham is a much bigger and wealthier club than Galatasaray yet they have just signed (or signing) Forlan, Reyes and Ujfalesi. Yet HR tells us we can't get near Forlans wages....

The difference between the two clubs.... Spurs won't break wage structures and risk not making profit yet GALA will pay big wages, not worry about making profits as long as they make enough not to be put into debt!

 

[cusop]

Agreed but why weren't they moved on last summer? Is it because Levy is asking too much?

If we wait until he's shipped them all out then all the best strikers will have been snapped up

To answer that question requires a better understanding the Financial Book Keeping of the Club and the question of intangible assets and how they effect profit and loss.

But to keep it simple follow the Sugar rule.

Problem was that Commoli/Ramos did not the followed the rule Sell Berbatov and Keane. And buy .. Long list of players of which only Modric was a good buy and was bought just before Dimi and Robbie summer sales.

Hence we go Bentley and Dos Santos, Gomes, Pavlochencko Hutton, all at inflated prices!!

Best buys Modric and Bale!

The thing is Harry is a bit dummy at times but when you consider his buys.

kaboul, Robbie, gallas, Kranjar, Freidle, Pieneer Crouch..He will break even or sell all of them at a modest profit.

 

[StartingPrice]

The problem is with the wage limit but I don't think we are not able to compete.

Did anyone see the list recently published of the 100 highest paid footabllers in the world? How can a club like Sevilla afford to pay Kanoute £5m per year and THFC a club that is in the top 10 highest revenue earnng clubs in the world don't have a single player in that top 100 highest paid players?

There is no wage limit.
There is a wage policy.
Viewed from certain angles it appears like a wage limit.
But when you play certain scenarios out it is clear that it is different to a wage limit.
This has been explained hundreds of times....including in this thread.
Please, refer the the limitations imposed by our voluntary wage policy (that most of us wholeheartedly support), and not a wage limit - please!

 

[kkemal]

Without a stadium move or upgrade spurs will never pay more than the £70k pcw mark for a player.

The stadium upgrade has to happen in order for us to pay over £100k pcw for a player. Hence why DL is hell bent on moving as he knows we cant grow in line with the likes of Chels, Ars, Man u and Liverpool.

A wage cap of £70k pcw is still respectable and once we offload Bentley, Bassong, Keane, Nico and Woody(hope he stays and gets fit) we should be able to go in for few tasty additions........

 

[Breezer]

Without a stadium move or upgrade spurs will never pay more than the £70k pcw mark for a player.

The stadium upgrade has to happen in order for us to pay over £100k pcw for a player. Hence why DL is hell bent on moving as he knows we cant grow in line with the likes of Chels, Ars, Man u and Liverpool.

A wage cap of £70k pcw is still respectable and once we offload Bentley, Bassong, Keane, Nico and Woody(hope he stays and gets fit) we should be able to go in for few tasty additions........

Yeh i kinda agree with what you're saying... But how can you forget to list JENAS in the offload list! :rofl:

 

[kkemal]

Yeh i kinda agree with what you're saying... But how can you forget to list JENAS in the offload list! :rofl:

Cause JENAS is better than Modric and should be captain!!:rofl:

 

[Breezer]

Cause JENAS is better than Modric and should be captain!!:rofl:

I hope you take over from HR! :bowdown:

 

[jimmy-jojo]

There is no wage limit.
There is a wage policy.
Viewed from certain angles it appears like a wage limit.
But when you play certain scenarios out it is clear that it is different to a wage limit.
This has been explained hundreds of times....including in this thread.
Please, refer the the limitations imposed by our voluntary wage policy (that most of us wholeheartedly support), and not a wage limit - please!

Wage limit, wage policy or wage structure...whatever you want to call it, it requires a rethink.

 

[beats1]

Without a stadium move or upgrade spurs will never pay more than the £70k pcw mark for a player.

The stadium upgrade has to happen in order for us to pay over £100k pcw for a player. Hence why DL is hell bent on moving as he knows we cant grow in line with the likes of Chels, Ars, Man u and Liverpool.

A wage cap of £70k pcw is still respectable and once we offload Bentley, Bassong, Keane, Nico and Woody(hope he stays and gets fit) we should be able to go in for few tasty additions........

What differences does that make atm, we wouldn't have a stadium til about 2014 at NDP and a longer wait at the OS

Also there is no wage limit atm, and VDV is on £100k a week but madrid pay most of his wages

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Really though I don't think we've seen any proof that there isn't a wage structure. Fact is the proof is in the pudding so to speak and our wage set up seems very structured not to go over a certain ammount. Harry has stated countless times when talking about certain players that we don't pay the sort of wages we'd need to sign so and so. How many times have we lost a player to the barcodes or scousers because of wages. Because of the size of our stadium I just can't believe we don't have a wage structure it would be madness from a financial point of view and you know Levy doesn't practice mad finances lol. If we don't have a wage structure we needto sign Eto'o asap but then Harry just said we couldn't afford his wages.

 

[kkemal]

What differences does that make atm, we wouldn't have a stadium til about 2014 at NDP and a longer wait at the OS

Also there is no wage limit atm, and VDV is on £100k a week but madrid pay most of his wages

great so lets sign aguero and ask ath madrid to pay most of his wages :bang:

my point is that until we increase seating capacity at spurs we wont pay the wages required to sign the next level of players.

 

[kkemal]

I hope you take over from HR! :bowdown:

lol......ok but only if you promise to supply the cacik for half time !! :razz:

 

[kkemal]

Really though I don't think we've seen any proof that there isn't a wage structure. Fact is the proof is in the pudding so to speak and our wage set up seems very structured not to go over a certain ammount. Harry has stated countless times when talking about certain players that we don't pay the sort of wages we'd need to sign so and so. How many times have we lost a player to the barcodes or scousers because of wages. Because of the size of our stadium I just can't believe we don't have a wage structure it would be madness from a financial point of view and you know Levy doesn't practice mad finances lol. If we don't have a wage structure we needto sign Eto'o asap but then Harry just said we couldn't afford his wages.

Well said!!! HR says all the time we cant pay those sort of wages......:clap:

 

[TheGreenLily]

Four words: Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Until it is clear how (or even if) these will be enforced, we can't really do much about the overall age structure, as it ensures we abide by those rules.

Also, I'd be very surprised if Mabbutt knows for sure how much Luka is on, he's probably just reading what has been written as being Luka's wage in the rags.

I'd be very surprised if Luka is on £40k a week.

Oh and there is no wage limit for individual players in place at Tottenham, just a wage cap percentage for thee squad as a whole so if we want to pay big wages for superstar signings we can, we just need to ship out some of the deadwood to free up some extra money.

Simple, 25 man squad x 50k average per week per player. That is your limit.

It would be easy for football federations to set up systems to control this.

Teams that fall outside of this get an automatic 10 point deduction and an automatic ban from the following season in any kind of European football.

If the players complain. Let them and if they go on strike. Sack them. It will only be a few years without a few exceptional players and no long term damage.

Also brings in aspect to title challenges about managing your team correctly, do you go more high paid super stars at the expense of your squad or do you go for a more balanced team. Would also mean there is a greater distrubution of better players amongst clubs make all leagues the world over more competitive and fairer.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Simple, 25 man squad x 50k average per week per player. That is your limit.

It would be easy for football federations to set up systems to control this.

Teams that fall outside of this get an automatic 10 point deduction and an automatic ban from the following season in any kind of European football.

If the players complain. Let them and if they go on strike. Sack them. It will only be a few years without a few exceptional players and no long term damage.

Also brings in aspect to title challenges about managing your team correctly, do you go more high paid super stars at the expense of your squad or do you go for a more balanced team. Would also mean there is a greater distrubution of better players amongst clubs make all leagues the world over more competitive and fairer.

Communist :lol:

 

[Bobbins]

Great idea but the big clubs would simply refuse and break away from UEFA to form a superleague, and that's where all the tv would go.

 

[NEVILLEB]

The problem is with the wage limit but I don't think we are not able to compete.

Did anyone see the list recently published of the 100 highest paid footabllers in the world? How can a club like Sevilla afford to pay Kanoute £5m per year and THFC a club that is in the top 10 highest revenue earnng clubs in the world don't have a single player in that top 100 highest paid players?

:hump: