We need a new Chairman

[Mullers]

In my experience your over all argument is made more robust if you put forward the strong evidence and resist the urge to pad it out with spurious fluff. When you do the latter you come across as agenda driven, trying to prove a prejudice rather than inquire after a truth.

Ah well, if I cared about how I come across I probably wouldn't post at all.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

How do you know its not Joe Lewis who is instructing Levy to do the sackings? In that case it wouldn't matter who was the chairman, it must all be ratified by him.

I can picture him now; Lewis the Megalomaniac sitting aboard his Billionaire yacht in the Bahamas, stroking his pussy (ahhem weird) finger hovering over the "TELL LEVY TO SACK HIM" button.....NEXT Whhhoooaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Mullers]

How do you know its not Joe Lewis who is instructing Levy to do the sackings? In that case it wouldn't matter who was the chairman, it must all be ratified by him.

I can picture him now; Lewis the Megalomaniac sitting aboard his Billionaire yacht in the Bahamas, stroking his pussy (ahhem weird) finger hovering over the "TELL LEVY TO SACK HIM" button.....NEXT Whhhoooaaaaaaaaaaa

You could be right, rumour has it he wanted Harry gone.

 

[SteveH]

"Does an AVB", you mean get 5th place in season one and 7th place, 5 points behind Man City in 4th place you mean?

No falls apart with bad loses to West Ham, Man City Liverpool etc. As you well know.

You have a problem to overcome or you are going to be a miserable bunny an even bigger miserable bunney when supporting your team. Get over Levy.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

In my experience your over all argument is made more robust if you put forward the strong evidence and resist the urge to pad it out with spurious fluff. When you do the latter you come across as agenda driven, trying to prove a prejudice rather than inquire after a truth.

There is truth in this, we're all guilty of it, both the anti-Levyites (spits in disgust) and the BSoDL (good ol' boys to a man)

 

[SpurSince57]

How do you know its not Joe Lewis who is instructing Levy to do the sackings? In that case it wouldn't matter who was the chairman, it must all be ratified by him.

I can picture him now; Lewis the Megalomaniac sitting aboard his Billionaire yacht in the Bahamas, stroking his pussy (ahhem weird) finger hovering over the "TELL LEVY TO SACK HIM" button.....NEXT Whhhoooaaaaaaaaaaa

There was ITK that Lewis wanted Harry out, although the reasons for this were never made clear (perhaps Harry humiliated him at golf or something). That's the only time he's been mentioned, except for some dubious ITK that Pochettino was his choice.

 

[sloth]

Ah well, if I cared about how I come across I probably wouldn't post at all.

Doesn't matter how you come across, but you clearly want to convince others of your thesis, otherwise why post?

 

[chinaman]

How do you know its not Joe Lewis who is instructing Levy to do the sackings? In that case it wouldn't matter who was the chairman, it must all be ratified by him.

I can picture him now; Lewis the Megalomaniac sitting aboard his Billionaire yacht in the Bahamas, stroking his pussy (ahhem weird) finger hovering over the "TELL LEVY TO SACK HIM" button.....NEXT Whhhoooaaaaaaaaaaa

Does Joe have only one eye?

 

[greaves4FR]

For all but the mega rich owned clubs, it is just like any other business.

Nonsense. If it were, spurs, and the rest of P.L. Would have been transplanted to asia long ago. It has nothing in common with most businesses. It is in almost every respect a closed, or false market. Which happens to be why we are all on here now. If the quality of your car or any other product proved faulty and unreliable, you wouldn't go straight out and buy the same model again, but were still here because we, the customers, are essentially a captive market. And the majority of clubs are run by owners whose primary motvation is not profit. A chairman/owner is entitled, as a businessman , to try to make a profit, but not at the expense of the integrity of the club.

Mullers is quite right to draw the distinction between telling a manager to aim for top4, and expecting it. After all by your argument it's a business, and it is proven that except in rare exceptional cases such success is bought and payed for by the richest clubs, then only a deluded idiot would hire a manager with as little experience and success as poch and EXPECT that. He, like us, can only hope.

And that is why Levy is a failed chairman. Not because he's bad at hiring managers, he is, but few if any are good at it, there are always too many unknown factors. But because there is a huge disparity between his expectations and what he/Lewis are prepared invest to achieve them. He spends, for example, too much time acting the johnny big-bollocks chasing spectacular deals that don't come off, instead of quietly doing the modest deals, going for the realistic targets that are appropriate for the amount of money he's actually prepared to invest. He chases bargains but fails to get them because he like you, doesn't seem to realise football is not a business like any other. If it were, he'd have been sacked long ago.

 

[Mullers]

Doesn't matter how you come across, but you clearly want to convince others of your thesis, otherwise why post?

Just for fun I guess.

 

[Mullers]

No falls apart with bad loses to West Ham, Man City Liverpool etc. As you well know.

You have a problem to overcome or you are going to be a miserable bunny an even bigger miserable bunney when supporting your team. Get over Levy.

So are you saying if Pochettino is 7th in the league 5 points behind the 4th place side with 16 games played but the team has some humiliating defeats, he should be sacked?

 

[SteveH]

So are you saying if Pochettino is 7th in the league 5 points behind the 4th place side with 16 games played but the team has some humiliating defeats, he should be sacked?

No

at the time in question with AVB I can see why he went

Lets hope it dosnt come to that.

Look I like Levy and I think he is doing a good job. You dont, lets move on.

 

[sloth]

Nonsense. If it were, spurs, and the rest of P.L. Would have been transplanted to asia long ago. It has nothing in common with most businesses. It is in almost every respect a closed, or false market. Which happens to be why we are all on here now. If the quality of your car or any other product proved faulty and unreliable, you wouldn't go straight out and buy the same model again, but were still here because we, the customers, are essentially a captive market. And the majority of clubs are run by owners whose primary motvation is not profit. A chairman/owner is entitled, as a businessman , to try to make a profit, but not at the expense of the integrity of the club.

Mullers is quite right to draw the distinction between telling a manager to aim for top4, and expecting it. After all by your argument it's a business, and it is proven that except in rare exceptional cases such success is bought and payed for by the richest clubs, then only a deluded idiot would hire a manager with as little experience and success as poch and EXPECT that. He, like us, can only hope.

And that is why Levy is a failed chairman. Not because he's bad at hiring managers, he is, but few if any are good at it, there are always too many unknown factors. But because there is a huge disparity between his expectations and what he/Lewis are prepared invest to achieve them. He spends, for example, too much time acting the johnny big-bollocks chasing spectacular deals that don't come off, instead of quietly doing the modest deals, going for the realistic targets that are appropriate for the amount of money he's actually prepared to invest. He chases bargains but fails to get them because he like you, doesn't seem to realise football is not a business like any other. If it were, he'd have been sacked long ago.

It is a business and also a competition. If it were only a business then the likes of Utd, Arsenal, and us, would all, in recent times, be considered successful, along with the likes of Southampton and Swansea, we've all seen our market cap rise greater than the investment put in. Add to that list Chelsea, Liverpool and City, who currently are worth less than total level of money invested, but who could argue they're playing a longer term game which will mean they should have a more certain longer term return than if the investment had never gone in.

It's not only a business though, it's a competition too and in that sense fewer clubs can be said to be successful. Look at it like this, in the smart phone market there are three main players at the moment, Google, Apple and Samsung, they've all been successful in their own rights, but if they were in a league then Apple would have dominated the last few years and we'd be saying they were successful while the other two were doing something wrong, had failed despite the resource they've put in. What you could say about them, however, is that despite not winning the big prize they're getting closer to success in those terms, the direction of travel for them is reason to be optimistic. This is what you can also say about us: a successful business and a club closer to winning the league than when ENIC took over.

As for the rest of the post, as has been done to death in this thread, there's no evidence to back the assertion Levy expects 4th or you're sacked. Or no more evidence than asserting he sacks managers because they didn't come first. Or because he follows astrology and reacts to the planetary alignments. If you can't make the assertion stack up then the rest falls apart.

 

[parklane1]

Why did you post it then?

Do you have to ask that to know why

 

[Mullers]

It is a business and also a competition. If it were only a business then the likes of Utd, Arsenal, and us, would all, in recent times, be considered successful, along with the likes of Southampton and Swansea, we've all seen our market cap rise greater than the investment put in. Add to that list Chelsea, Liverpool and City, who currently are worth less than total level of money invested, but who could argue they're playing a longer term game which will mean they should have a more certain longer term return than if the investment had never gone in.

It's not only a business though, it's a competition too and in that sense fewer clubs can be said to be successful. Look at it like this, in the smart phone market there are three main players at the moment, Google, Apple and Samsung, they've all been successful in their own rights, but if they were in a league then Apple would have dominated the last few years and we'd be saying they were successful while the other two were doing something wrong, had failed despite the resource they've put in. What you could say about them, however, is that despite not winning the big prize they're getting closer to success in those terms, the direction of travel for them is reason to be optimistic. This is what you can also say about us: a successful business and a club closer to winning the league than when ENIC took over.

As for the rest of the post, as has been done to death in this thread, there's no evidence to back the assertion Levy expects 4th or you're sacked. Or no more evidence than asserting he sacks managers because they didn't come first. Or because he follows astrology and reacts to the planetary alignments. If you can't make the assertion stack up then the rest falls apart.

So if Pochettino gets two 5th place finishes in a row playing good football, you believe that he will keep his job?

 

[only1waddle]

So if Pochettino gets two 5th place finishes in a row playing good football, you believe that he will keep his job?

I picture you like this now Mullers...

ARE YOU DANIEL LEVY?

 

[nidge]

So if Pochettino gets two 5th place finishes in a row playing good football, you believe that he will keep his job?

He should considering who will we be in competition for top 4. In reality it will be looking more like a top 6 as City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United are all only going to get stronger. Unless we get stronger with them we will miss out regardless of the man we have as Head Coach.

I doubt Levy sees it that way though.

 

[Shadydan]

So if Pochettino gets two 5th place finishes in a row playing good football, you believe that he will keep his job?

Didn't Jol keep his job for finishing 5th twice?

 

[Mullers]

Didn't Jol keep his job for finishing 5th twice?

No.

 

[Shadydan]

No.

So he got sacked because he finished 5th twice then?