Juande Ramos - Yay or Nay?

joey55 · Sep 28, 2008

Ramos won't be fired. It will be too epxensive, as not only he, but Comolli will have to be paid compensation. On top of that, after the Jol debacle, Levy can't take another hit to his ego. Ramos will be given time and with the squad we've got, will have a couple of good runs, get us into the top 8. Thanks to our terrible start the fans will see this us as heading in the right direction. Some will start saying "see I told you we only needed time to gel." Rather than looking at the bigger picture, which says we were on the verge of the top 4 3 years ago and are now slowly slipping back to mid table mediocrity. They'll see we finished 11th last season and 8th this and see this as progress, rather than looking at the context of how we finished 11th and realising that we aren't making progress.

Midostouch · Sep 28, 2008

rich75 said:
Bit different though, when Burkinshaw got relegated the league was a completely different animal. You actually had a fighting chance of coming back up and staying up then, now???... well we might get back up, we might not if we go down and certainly we can kiss goodbye to european football for what, 5 / 6 years? Financially I have no idea what it would do to the club, but I suspect it wouldn't be pretty. Basically we as a club cannot afford to go down and if that means sacking the fella in charge to avoid it then you can guarantee thats what will happen.

I quite agree - I wasn't for one moment suggesting it would be okay to get relegated, of course it wouldn't. I just feel that we should go with him for a bit longer as it isn't his fault that the transfer window was totally mucked up by the Berba / Keane situation. If he had had his squad for the close season there probably would have been more cohesion.

Having said that I am finding it hard to see how he's going to turn it round, but I'm just blindly optimistic that he will (mainly because I can't think of any alternative). I still can't see that sacking Ramos and leaving Gus in charge would be any better than what we have at the moment.

VegasII · Sep 28, 2008

If he did go soon then there's no way we can go through looking for a manager who will take us on for a few seasons. It'd be a short term appointment....the same as Pleat when Gross left (am I right?) same as Pleat when Hoddle left, the same as Jol when Fruitini left & the same as when (add THFC manager here)

Assistant coaches or interims do well at Tottenham...they usually get to be manager.

Pretty crappy scenario - I hope we rapidly improve.

Midostouch · Sep 28, 2008

VegasII said:
If he did go soon then there's no way we can go through looking for a manager who will take us on for a few seasons. It'd be a short term appointment....the same as Pleat when Gross left (am I right?) same as Pleat when Hoddle left, the same as Jol when Fruitini left & the same as when (add THFC manager here)

Assistant coaches or interims do well at Tottenham...they usually get to be manager.

If we hang on a month or so we could get Kinnear :shrug::wink:

VegasII · Sep 28, 2008

Why not? He said he'd work for free when Jol left...more profit for Levy & co.

You can only laugh at this club...it's the only way to get by.

rich75 · Sep 28, 2008

Midostouch said:
I quite agree - I wasn't for one moment suggesting it would be okay to get relegated, of course it wouldn't. I just feel that we should go with him for a bit longer as it isn't his fault that the transfer window was totally mucked up by the Berba / Keane situation. If he had had his squad for the close season there probably would have been more cohesion.

Having said that I am finding it hard to see how he's going to turn it round, but I'm just blindly optimistic that he will (mainly because I can't think of any alternative). I still can't see that sacking Ramos and leaving Gus in charge would be any better than what we have at the moment.

Me neither, but hey we did it with Jol and Santini and that worked out quite well :wink:

jimtheyid · Sep 28, 2008

bergsuk said:
were not saying get Jol back were saying he shouldnt have been sacked

I'd still take him back in a heartbeat

antlesh · Sep 28, 2008

if ramos goes which I do not think he will as he will struggle to get a job anywhere in europe again I think the only person for the job is: Dick Advocaat built a team with no money and made them champions of the europe!

VegasII · Sep 28, 2008

I thought we should have got Mr Dick Avacado when we ended up getting Fruitini.

sunnydelight786 · Sep 28, 2008

I'm still firmly in the Ramos camp but have got to admit serious questions have got to be asked of him now. WTF was that team selection all about? To say I'm devestated would be a bit of an understatement.

Truth is we have a whole new team now and they are not gelling. Key positions that needing filling were not filled in the summer (CD, DM & LW). Not until we sort these positions we will be nothing more than a midtable team.

VegasII · Sep 28, 2008

sunnydelight786 said:
Truth is we have a whole new team now and they are not gelling. Key positions that needing filling were not filled in the summer (CD, DM & LW). Not until we sort these positions we will be nothing more than a midtable team.

Mmm...that was pretty much said last year. CD, DM, LW haven't been attended to for a couple seasons now. Not since:supered:& Naybet.

I guess we signed Corluka & Woody for CD, but then Ledley's wounded & Dawson's Dawson.

neogenisis · Sep 28, 2008

Im not sure about the sack, my 15 yr old was getting highly pissed off...we were all jumping about the living room telling the lads to at least show some heart...a shot of Ramos and poyet sat down arms crossed pushed us over the edge slightly....at least be on the sideline pushing them forward, shouting instructions...seemed they all thought it was done..

Lennon looked good in flashes when he came on, Pav looked better after the break and i was impressed by Corluka.

haxman · Sep 28, 2008

sunnydelight786 said:
I'm still firmly in the Ramos camp but have got to admit serious questions have got to be asked of him now. WTF was that team selection all about? To say I'm devestated would be a bit of an understatement.

Truth is we have a whole new team now and they are not gelling. Key positions that needing filling were not filled in the summer (CD, DM & LW). Not until we sort these positions we will be nothing more than a midtable team.

I'd gladly take midtable right now. If we don't start winning soon, teams are going to start pulling away from us. 2 wins from the next 2 league games will help. Although Hull proved yesterday they're no pushover. I've never been as worried about the club as I am now.

shelfmonkey · Sep 28, 2008

General Levy said:
Dawson, Bae, Ohara, Zokora are all not good enough. Yet they are the spine of our team.

No leader, no balance. Its time to get rid of Commoli and Ramos and change the system imo.

Get rid of Comolli YES, get rid of Ramos NO. It's time Levy woke up to the fact that this 'Director of Football' bollocks is just that, bollocks. For fuck's sake let the the manager decide which players he wants and needs. If levy doesn't realise this then he's either stupid or he's complicit and endorses the policy of buying young players and selling them for profit with no regard for our team.

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Chris12345 · Sep 28, 2008

spurnut said:
sorry all you jenas lovers he is shite.

You make a good point... :-|

Care to explain why?

:shrug:

jimtheyid · Sep 28, 2008

shelfmonkey said:
Get rid of Comolli YES, get rid of Ramos NO. It's time Levy woke up to the fact that this 'Director of Football' bollocks is just that, bollocks. For fuck's sake let the the manager decide which players he wants and needs. If levy doesn't realise this then he's either stupid or he's complicit and endorses the policy of buying young players and selling them for profit with no regard for our team.

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

Ramos is the coach. He should be motivating our team, yet amazingly, at 2-0 down with 15minutes to go. He was sat in his dugout, arms folded offering no encouragment. As if he had accepted it was over.

It's bollocks, I'm so angry.

jimtheyid · Sep 28, 2008

as neogenesis already said. I missed that.

Chris12345 · Sep 28, 2008

jimtheyid said:
Ramos is the coach. He should be motivating our team, yet amazingly, at 2-0 down with 15minutes to go. He was sat in his dugout, arms folded offering no encouragment. As if he had accepted it was over.

It's bollocks, I'm so angry.

Indeed... on paper, this group of players are the 5-7th best in the Premiership...

jimtheyid · Sep 28, 2008

Ramos does not fear sack

Spurs boss does not believe job is under threat

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4207646,00.html

He better start fearing it

VegasII · Sep 28, 2008

Look good on paper, play like paper. That thin tracing paper variety you get in out of the way khazis.

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