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Coyboy · Apr 12, 2009

Kendall said:
I want Bus Conductor to come and tell me that we kept the ball better under Ramos than we are under Harry.

That's always good fun.

To be fair, he does often give credit where it's due re Rednapp unlike others who come on here to have a go and then disappear when we do well. Good riddance really. Although his 'told you so' posts in January/December look rather ridiculous now.

lishiyo · Apr 12, 2009

Kendall said:
The main thing I disliked from Ramos was that when things were going wrong on the pitch he just stood there.

Earlier in the season I watched as Hull scored at the Lane and Ramos just stood there and did nothing. Phil Brown was gesturing, screaming, organising his side from the touchline and despite our dominance they held on. The same thing happened at Stoke. Pulis was all over the place, Ramos just had a dumb look on his face like he just had no clue what to do. He looked extremely out of his depth, which is surprising given his pedigree and success with Real. But I suppose when things are going your way its easy to look like a good manager.

hm, maybe it was the communication problem and the English players couldn't actually understand his accent. also we had several new players who wouldn't understand anyways, like modric and pav and gio (if he didn't shout in spanish). even so you'd think he'd use more hand signals or something (like rafa lol). during our good pre-CCF run his stoicism didn't seem to be a problem (in fact looked pretty professional) but this season the blank look on his face just looked clueless instead.

spursgirls · Apr 12, 2009

spurdownunder said:
:rofl::rofl::clap::clap:

You'd think Harry would have made light of this repeatedly if it were true!

Surely not our Harry? ;-)

nightgoat · Apr 12, 2009

We've got Newcastle next week, though... :roll:

ExpatFan · Apr 13, 2009

Kendall said:
I think if we can finally get a win on the opening day it could be a catalyst for us. .

I think if we can finally get a home fixture on the opening day, that would also be nice.

dontcallme · Apr 13, 2009

No denying the fact that Harry has done a remarkable job so far. He knows the league and how to work the transfer market so well and he has utilised these strengths to help turn our season into a reasonable season rather than a disaster.

He's so experienced, so I don't think he'll make rookie mistakes and just buy for the sake of buying in the summer. I think he'll bring in a couple of good but unspectacular players in the mould of Kranjkar (sp?), Crouch or Downing and he'll only sell a couple of players that he feels don't fit in or have the right attitude.

Next season we'll be more solid in the same way as Aston Villa and Everton and if Modric, Pav, Lennon and Keane can all start the season as well as they are capable of we might get ourselves back to where we were under Jol's first two full seasons.

Kendall · Apr 13, 2009

ExpatFan said:
I think if we can finally get a home fixture on the opening day, that would also be nice.

I don''t know about that, I bet you the Emirates has the first home game of the season sewn up for the foreseeable.

danielneeds · Apr 13, 2009

Kendall said:
I don''t know about that, I bet you the Emirates has the first home game of the season sewn up for the foreseeable.

I read somewhere, can't remember where, that we usually ask for an away game first to give the relaid turf more time to bed in at WHL. Could be mistaken though.

Kendall · Apr 13, 2009

That would be fucking mental considering our last 3 opening days.

Gilzeanking · Apr 13, 2009

dontcallme said:
No denying the fact that Harry has done a remarkable job so far.
.

I think we need to keep a perspective on this . Harry took over the 15th biggest club in the world with 8 games gone and 30 to go in the league .
...He then spent tens of millions strengthening .

The team look good he's done well we are 9th . But if this is ' Remarkable' then what are Clough's CL victories with Notts Forest ? What would Fergies Treble and other achievements at Utd be called , if Harry's work for us is ' Remarkable ' ?

Instead of repeating forever the 8/2 points/games embarrassing broken record boast , it'd be much more impressive if he said ,'Well , we're off to a good start but we've got a long way to go before we get Spurs to where they should be ' .

His repetition of this 8/2 boast marks him out as still having a Saints/Bournemouth/Pompey perspective where the avoidance of relegation is a major bragging issue . I hope , at his age, he can adapt to our ambitions and throw off his tendency to have a little club mentality and go places he's never been before .

He's doing very well , the omens are good , fingers crossed .

danielneeds · Apr 13, 2009

Gilzeanking said:
I think we need to keep a perspective on this . Harry took over the 15th biggest club in the world with 8 games gone and 30 to go in the league .
...He then spent tens of millions strengthening .

The team look good he's done well we are 9th . But if this is ' Remarkable' then what are Clough's CL victories with Notts Forest ? What would Fergies Treble and other achievements at Utd be called , if Harry's work for us is ' Remarkable ' ?

Instead of repeating forever the 8/2 points/games embarrassing broken record boast , it'd be much more impressive if he said ,'Well , we're off to a good start but we've got a long way to go before we get Spurs to where they should be ' .

His repetition of this 8/2 boast marks him out as still having a Saints/Bournemouth/Pompey perspective where the avoidance of relegation is a major bragging issue . I hope , at his age, he can adapt to our ambitions and throw off his tendency to have a little club mentality and go places he's never been before .

He's doing very well , the omens are good , fingers crossed .

I don't think it lacks perspective to say he has done a remarkable job. We were on our knees when he came, cut off on the bottom of the league. Yes, he has spent money, but he has done it well, and he has been talking about challenging the top four next year, and putting Spurs "where we belong" etc etc...

dontcallme · Apr 13, 2009

Gilzeanking said:
I think we need to keep a perspective on this . Harry took over the 15th biggest club in the world with 8 games gone and 30 to go in the league .
...He then spent tens of millions strengthening .

The team look good he's done well we are 9th . But if this is ' Remarkable' then what are Clough's CL victories with Notts Forest ? What would Fergies Treble and other achievements at Utd be called , if Harry's work for us is ' Remarkable ' ?

Instead of repeating forever the 8/2 points/games embarrassing broken record boast , it'd be much more impressive if he said ,'Well , we're off to a good start but we've got a long way to go before we get Spurs to where they should be ' .

His repetition of this 8/2 boast marks him out as still having a Saints/Bournemouth/Pompey perspective where the avoidance of relegation is a major bragging issue . I hope , at his age, he can adapt to our ambitions and throw off his tendency to have a little club mentality and go places he's never been before .

He's doing very well , the omens are good , fingers crossed .

I don't think winning the Champions league or a treble was possible for us this season. Harry has done very well with the hand he has been dealt. Our league performance since he has taken over has surpassed most peoples expectations. This season from where he took over surviving relegation had to be considered a success.

Harry has made it very clear he wants us to be in the Champions league by the time he finishes, his ambitions match the boards and the fans.

lishiyo · Apr 13, 2009

A lot of the 2pt-8games thing comes from the interviewers who keep asking him about it. Harry did say when he first took over that he wanted to leave us in the top 4. And he has stated more recently that at the very least we should be targeting Europe (ie top 6) next year, which I would be happy with given the strength of Everton, Villa, and probably Man City next year. We do have the fifth highest valued squad (6th after Man City spend a billion this summer), so it'd only be overachieving if we take 5th and challenge for 4th, but I'm fine as long as he gets our squad to perform at the level they're supposed to, perhaps with some nice bonuses like cup runs, developing our kids, playing nice football, good record against the top 4 (victory against the gooners) etc.

davidmatzdorf · Apr 13, 2009

What is "remarkable", as well as being very "un-Spurs", is that we have founded this excellent run entirely on good defence. That is why we are 9th. Good defending. Look at the record of our last 9 league matches:

Arsenal H 0-0 D
Hull A 1-2 W
Boro H 4-0 W
Sunderland A 1-1 D
Villa A 1-2 W
Chelsea H 1-0 W
Blackburn A 1-2 L
West Ham 1-0 W

That's 5 goals conceded and 4 clean sheets in 9 league matches, home and away (we have scored 12). That corresponds to 21 goals conceded over the course of a 38 match season - and 17 clean sheets.

The three teams with the best defensive records in the Premiership at present have conceded 20 or 21 goals in 31 or 32 matches. Unsurprisingly, these three teams are filling the three top positions in the league.

Even more striking: in 12 home league matches under Redknapp, we have conceded only 4 goals and have kept 8 clean sheets (we have scored 15). That record includes home matches against all of the "top 4". That corresponds to 6 home goals conceded over the course of a 19 match home season - and 13 home clean sheets.

None of this has anything to do with Redknapp's player-trading, as Cudicini and Chimbonda have scarcely played and the other six defensive players whom we have seen regularly (Gomes, King, Woodgate, Dawson, Assou-Ekotto and Corluka) predated his arrival.

What it has to do with is steady coaching, a settled defensive line-up and a manager who can instill confidence in his players. That and six extremely talented and capable footballers.

If there is any single factor that would encourage me to think that Tottenham could achieve something next season, it is our discovery of how to defend reliably. If you look at the table, what stands out about the top clubs is less that they score more goals than the others and more that they do not concede as many.

jimmy-jojo · Apr 13, 2009

davidmatzdorf said:
What is "remarkable", as well as being very "un-Spurs", is that we have founded this excellent run entirely on good defence. That is why we are 8th. Good defending. Look at the record of our last 9 league matches:

Arsenal H 0-0 D
Hull A 1-2 W
Boro H 4-0 W
Sunderland A 1-1 D
Villa A 1-2 W
Chelsea H 1-0 W
Blackburn A 1-2 L
West Ham 1-0 W

That's 5 goals conceded and 4 clean sheets in 9 league matches, home and away (we have scored 12). That corresponds to 21 goals conceded over the course of a 38 match season - and 17 clean sheets.

The three teams with the best defensive records in the Premiership at present have conceded 20 or 21 goals in 31 or 32 matches. Unsurprisingly, these three teams are filling the three top positions in the league.

Even more striking: in 12 home league matches under Redknapp, we have conceded only 4 goals and have kept 8 clean sheets (we have scored 15). That record includes home matches against all of the "top 4". That corresponds to 6 home goals conceded over the course of a 19 match home season - and 13 home clean sheets.

None of this has anything to do with Redknapp's player-trading, as Cudicini and Chimbonda have scarcely played and the other six defensive players whom we have seen regularly (Gomes, King, Woodgate, Dawson, Assou-Ekotto and Corluka) predated his arrival.

What it has to do with is steady coaching, a settled defensive line-up and a manager who can instill confidence in his players. That and six extremely talented and capable footballers.

If there is any single factor that would encourage me to think that Tottenham could achieve something next season, it is our discovery of how to defend reliably. If you look at the table, what stands out about the top clubs is less that they score more goals than the others and more that they do not concede as many.

You cannot put our newly found meaness in defence purely down to the 'defenders'. I would argue that the arrival Palacios has coincided with our better defensive solidity.

artyb · Apr 13, 2009

I wouldn't say that Harry has done remarkably well, it's more a case that Ramos started remarkably badly...

lishiyo · Apr 13, 2009

True, a hardworking central mid of Palacios+JJ has given some steel to our side and really helped break up attacks from Villa and Chelsea etc. We have a good defensive home record, but really need to improve our away record where we're in the bottom half for goals conceded. Oftentimes we concede really soft goals from corners or late goals so we need to defend set pieces much better, which would practically cut our goals conceded by about 1/3-1/2.

Gilzeanking · Apr 13, 2009

davidmatzdorf said:
What is "remarkable", as well as being very "un-Spurs", is that we have founded this excellent run entirely on good defence. That is why we are 8th. Good defending.
.

WOW...I'd better leap in quick . An absolutely unique position ,a correctable a DM post...could be the first time ever...

David...

...We're 9th :grin:

Do I get a prize ?

southlondonyiddo · Apr 13, 2009

lishiyo said:
True, a hardworking central mid of Palacios+JJ has given some steel to our side and really helped break up attacks from Villa and Chelsea etc. We have a good defensive home record, but really need to improve our away record where we're in the bottom half for goals conceded. Oftentimes we concede really soft goals from corners or late goals so we need to defend set pieces much better, which would practically cut our goals conceded by about 1/3-1/2.

Spot on

A fully fit JJ and the introduction of Palacios has contributed to the solidity of our excellent back 4.

Playing those 6 regularly in the future give us a great opportunity to push on and challenge for honours although I'm sure Harry would like to bring in (the best right back in britain) Johnson and have Corluka as a fantastic back up in Central Defence

DC_Boy · Apr 13, 2009

I would say so far HR has well/very well

if we get to 7th on top of a final then I would happily use words like tremendous/remarkable

he'll have a better ppg than jol and a better cup record at spurs overall - and if you think of the praise jol gets then any superlatives will be well earned and no spurs manager has taken over the club in a worse position lge-wise for over fifty years and probably considerably longer in terms of relative to the lge they were in

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