2 Points From 8 Games / 39 Points from 24 Games

[Tickers]

I read somewhere, can't remember where, that we usually ask for an away game first to give the relaid turf more time to bed in at WHL. Could be mistaken though.

Yeah, I've heard that. No idea if it's true. But as our last game of the season this year is also away, surely there's no need for the extra week ahead of next season? Home game, please!

I'd be surprised, to be honest, if it is true. The first game is far more important than just one game. We've had bad starts for three seasons running now after losing away in the north on opening day. Can't believe Levy would be actively seeking a more difficult start to the season.

And, back on topic, go 'Arry! You clever wheeler-dealer/liar, you.

 

[Destroyer]

I read somewhere, can't remember where, that we usually ask for an away game first to give the relaid turf more time to bed in at WHL. Could be mistaken though.

Thats absolute nonsense, if so then why do we always play a friendly at WHL a week before the season kicks off ?? & 2 seasons ago we played two Home friendly games in the run up to the new season at WHL ??

 

[spurs4europe]

I want Bus Conductor to come and tell me that we kept the ball better under Ramos than we are under Harry.

That's always good fun.

Don't be a prat Kendall. We all know that Harry has a much better balanced squad than Ramos have, he does not have Comolli building (or unbalancing) his first team and he also has a settled team with players who have (almost completely) adapted to the PL.

Success breeds confidence and better play, just as failure breeds doubt, loss of belief and worse team play. At times we played some scintillating stuff under Ramos and I still do believe that had some things ended up a little differently, Ramos could have done admirably well here.

That's not to take anything from Redknapp though, who has begun moulding us into a very impressive team. Just as you were right in predicting Redknapp turning good, you were wrong about Gomes being a complete flop in the league.

A little bit of humility would go a long way.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

...We're 9th...

Fixed, thanks.

 

[arnoldlayne]

yep - big big congrats to Harry

his job wa to keep us up - he's done that now

as a big big bonus he took us to a cup final where we matched the european and world club champions minute for minute for over two hours

if on top of all that he leads us back to europe what a fantastic acheivement that will be

Yes mate. I look forward to telling my grandchildren what a fantastic achievement it was to nearly win a cup final and how shit it was to have Ramos actually win one.

How small time we are becoming. "We nearly did this"

I'll reserve my judgment on how talented bent arry is till the end of next season.

This is still a guy who humiliated Spurs supporters earlier this season and who still manages to take all the credit, shift all the blame and still has a lot to do after 30 years of management to make himself look a great manager.

If he wins the premier league then I'll bow down before him. If he comes close, ditto. But I still loathe the man and it would be hypocritical of me to laud him now.

Finally, a little question for you - which manager also has 2 points from 8 games this season and was coveted by many clubs, has won several trophies, nearly became an international manager but currently is struggling?

 

[arnoldlayne]

To be fair, he does often give credit where it's due re Rednapp unlike others who come on here to have a go and then disappear when we do well. Good riddance really. Although his 'told you so' posts in January/December look rather ridiculous now.

:hello:

Hi!

The good riddance bit is very kind - I really enjoy threads when everybody agrees.

Redknapp is a marvel. Ramos is rubbish.

I disagree Redknapp is wonderful and a genius. PS Ramos is rubbish.

Sir you are a cad, how can you not say what an absolute footballing god Redknapp is? PPS Ramos is Rubbish.

Phenomenal debate.

 

[DC_Boy]

Yes mate. I look forward to telling my grandchildren what a fantastic achievement it was to nearly win a cup final and how shit it was to have Ramos actually win one.

How small time we are becoming. "We nearly did this"

I'll reserve my judgment on how talented bent arry is till the end of next season.

This is still a guy who humiliated Spurs supporters earlier this season and who still manages to take all the credit, shift all the blame and still has a lot to do after 30 years of management to make himself look a great manager.

If he wins the premier league then I'll bow down before him. If he comes close, ditto. But I still loathe the man and it would be hypocritical of me to laud him now.

Finally, a little question for you - which manager also has 2 points from 8 games this season and was coveted by many clubs, has won several trophies, nearly became an international manager but currently is struggling?

hi arnold - obviously your views are your views - for me there is absolutely nothing small-time about the performance we put in v man u at wembley

winning is the name of the game, but there would be nothing shameful in telling your grandchildren about the the time we got to wembley and gave the mighty man u one hell of a game

and you don't need to tell me about ramos and winning - cos I was one of the minority on here that voted the carling win season higher than the two previous seasons under jol (laudable though those were)

I also felt that JR had to go, and that had he not instead of looking forward to the chance of europe for 4 seasons running, we would probably be facing the precipice of an English tour to Doncaster leicester west brom loftus road and various other days out to savour

re your question, I haven't a clue as to the answer.

 

[Yid-ol]

:hello:

Hi!

The good riddance bit is very kind - I really enjoy threads when everybody agrees.

Redknapp is a marvel. Ramos is rubbish.

I disagree Redknapp is wonderful and a genius. PS Ramos is rubbish.

Sir you are a cad, how can you not say what an absolute footballing god Redknapp is? PPS Ramos is Rubbish.

Phenomenal debate.

I dont think he meant it that everyone has to agree, i think he was having ago at the posters who come on only to slag the team off and never have anything good to say about the team or players.

 

[Coyboy]

:hello:

Hi!

The good riddance bit is very kind - I really enjoy threads when everybody agrees.

Redknapp is a marvel. Ramos is rubbish.

I disagree Redknapp is wonderful and a genius. PS Ramos is rubbish.

Sir you are a cad, how can you not say what an absolute footballing god Redknapp is? PPS Ramos is Rubbish.

Phenomenal debate.

Stop trying to entertain yourself by attempting to make my reasoning look simplistic when it is you that admittedly has a one-eyed and bitter image of Rednapp that causes you to call him names and try to make out that getting to the final and giving United a damm good game was not an achievement. Did DC Boy say it was, to use your tired cliche, worthy of telling your grandkids? No. He just praised the achievement. Did he say it was better than Ramos' achievement? No.

It is you who, while trying to paint me as a black and white thinker, have gone into simplistic mode. You will find few people, if any, calling Ramos 'rubbish' and you will find as few calling Rednapp a 'marvel'. You will also find few who deliberately put absurdly high standards on his achievement of success. I would say getting a team from bottom to European contention and coming within a whisker of winning a trophy is a great achievement. Is it something I will tell my grandkids while feeding them werthers originals in sixty years time? No but it may a start to an exciting new era which Ramos, for all his successes in the CC and abroad, did not offer us.

Maybe if you get over whatever unreasonable and crippling hatred you have towards our manager you can participate in reasoned debate instead of coming here trying to score cheap shots ('humiliated Spurs fans...'shifted the blame'...he kicked his cat as well didn't he) or in times like these puncture merited praise.

 

[arnoldlayne]

Stop trying to entertain yourself by attempting to make my reasoning look simplistic when it is you that admittedly has a one-eyed and bitter image of Rednapp that causes you to call him names and try to make out that getting to the final and giving United a damm good game was not an achievement. Did DC Boy say it was, to use your tired cliche, worthy of telling your grandkids? No. He just praised the achievement. Did he say it was better than Ramos' achievement? No.

It is you who, while trying to paint me as a black and white thinker, have gone into simplistic mode. You will find few people, if any, calling Ramos 'rubbish' and you will find as few calling Rednapp a 'marvel'. You will also find few who deliberately put absurdly high standards on his achievement of success. I would say getting a team from bottom to European contention and coming within a whisker of winning a trophy is a great achievement. Is it something I will tell my grandkids while feeding them werthers originals in sixty years time? No but it may a start to an exciting new era which Ramos, for all his successes in the CC and abroad, did not offer us.

Maybe if you get over whatever unreasonable and crippling hatred you have towards our manager you can participate in reasoned debate instead of coming here trying to score cheap shots ('humiliated Spurs fans...'shifted the blame'...he kicked his cat as well didn't he) or in times like these puncture merited praise.

What would you like me to do?

Agree with everything you say when I don't?

I'm not asking you to agree with me either. One of you said good riddance to the Redknapp doubters and how we were in effect"hiding" when he wins.

I have NO doubt that HR has done VERY well this season and in some ways he (and some of his supporters!) has proved me wrong and a fool.


I can still dislike can't I?

 

[Coyboy]

What would you like me to do?

Agree with everything you say when I don't?

I'm not asking you to agree with me either. One of you said good riddance to the Redknapp doubters and how we were in effect"hiding" when he wins.

I have NO doubt that HR has done VERY well this season and in some ways he (and some of his supporters!) has proved me wrong and a fool.


I can still dislike can't I?

I am not asking you to agree with me. I am asking that you have a bit of perspective and not be so simplisitc and defensive towards people who defend him against unfair criticism. I believe I said some certainly not all Rednapp critics (not doubters, I would say we are all doubters to some degree) hide when he does well but flash the knives when the team has not done so well. If you spot yourself in that group then maybe that says something but I did not refer to you by name nor thought of you.

Dislike what? Him, if you must. The fact he has done so well? No way as that would mean your hatred of him overpowers your wish for Spurs to do well. I am not happy Spurs are doing well because I can jump up and down on an internet forum and say 'told you so' ( as some did when we went through a rough patch around the turn of the year, again not naming names as to some degree I forget them), no I am happy Spurs are doing well because Spurs are doing well. Simple. Just as I was happy, overjoyed, Spurs won the cup last year even when I never agreed with Ramos being hired at Jol's expense.

What I object to is not so much words like 'hate', 'bent' and anyother negative feelings you may have towards Rednapp, that is your business, but I see it as ridiculous and a pity that such hatred makes you admit such successes through gritted teeth and makes you so defensive towards people who dare to defend a manager who has taken us to 9th after being bottom in November.

 

[Caboose]

I've not read through this thread, just seen the title so just coming in blind. At the Redknapp PPG ratio we'd end up with 63.84 points over a season. Easily 5th place and when you're up there in the mix some of the games we didn't pick up points we might have under him the confidence factor might have made a difference in those games.

I'll put my hands up and admit I wasn't happy with Redknapp and knocked him quite a bit earlier. I didn't particularly like him before he'd joined so he had to do a lot to win me over. My gripe, and I started a thread on it way back was that the performances were what disappointed me, when the results don't come ontop of that i became disallusioned a bit.

Now the ball is on the ground, we retain possession and he's found a great balance to the team. There's also a good team spirit and Modric is great and not talking about a move else where, and more importantly not being linked else where!, the way he celebrated the goal made me smile.

I was vocal in knocking Redknapp before, and I'll praise him now. Great results and really enjoyable performances.

Good work Harry, I thank you!

 

[Jaispurs]

Arry has proved over the years what a great manager he is. He achieved 5th place with West Ham and took Pompey from the depths of the Championship into the top half regularly of the Premier League winning an FA Cup to boot. Do you have any idea how small a club Portsmouth are ? When Arry left Pompey for Southampton they sank like a stone.
Yes he had a poor time at Southampton but the mess he took over was a disaster with Clive Woodward as Director of Football ffs.
When he left Pompey they were comfortably mid table building a good team but when he came back they were on just 18 points and he managed to save them and build a great team with top top players like Defoe, Diara, Distin, James, Johnson and that muppet all wanting to play for him....do you think they wanted to play for Pompey ? Its a dump.

Arry has pulled us up by the scruff of the neck and got us playing some great attacking football.

We have conceeded only 9 goals at home all season (5 of them under Ramos) and not lost to the big 4....... That is an amazing stat.

How anyone can doubt him astounds me ?

 

[scat1620]

2 brilliant posts on this page Coyboy: fair play.

 

[arnoldlayne]

I dont think he meant it that everyone has to agree, i think he was having ago at the posters who come on only to slag the team off and never have anything good to say about the team or players.

Hi.

I think you'll find I rarely criticise the players or the team - sometimes Bent but not many others.

My criticism is not for other posters but for HR - it may appear irrational to some and maybe it is. I can't help how I feel. I never have liked HR and I can't suddenly make myself like him.

What i do object to is some posters suggesting that I have little right to express my viewpoint.

 

[arnoldlayne]

2 brilliant posts on this page Coyboy: fair play.

as the great Brian Clough said "Young man, it's all a matter of opinion!"

 

[arnoldlayne]

I am not asking you to agree with me. I am asking that you have a bit of perspective and not be so simplisitc and defensive towards people who defend him against unfair criticism. I believe I said some certainly not all Rednapp critics (not doubters, I would say we are all doubters to some degree) hide when he does well but flash the knives when the team has not done so well. If you spot yourself in that group then maybe that says something but I did not refer to you by name nor thought of you.

Dislike what? Him, if you must. The fact he has done so well? No way as that would mean your hatred of him overpowers your wish for Spurs to do well. I am not happy Spurs are doing well because I can jump up and down on an internet forum and say 'told you so' ( as some did when we went through a rough patch around the turn of the year, again not naming names as to some degree I forget them), no I am happy Spurs are doing well because Spurs are doing well. Simple. Just as I was happy, overjoyed, Spurs won the cup last year even when I never agreed with Ramos being hired at Jol's expense.

What I object to is not so much words like 'hate', 'bent' and anyother negative feelings you may have towards Rednapp, that is your business, but I see it as ridiculous and a pity that such hatred makes you admit such successes through gritted teeth and makes you so defensive towards people who dare to defend a manager who has taken us to 9th after being bottom in November.

You still seem to have a problem that I express an opinion.

Whatever you say or however simplistic you feel I am isn't really going to change my views, are they?

Because I have a gut instinct to want the best for Spurs I certainly don't want Spurs to flop under Redknapp.

To answer your dislike query, it's Redknapp (as you've probably guessed). I'm not going to say told you so and certainly don't hope Spurs end up in a position where I could have the chance to say that. I think he'll probably do reasonably well at Spurs long-term, partly because of the money thrown at him and partly because you don't get his position that late in life without having some sort of "talent" at football management.

I enjoy Spurs winning too much to worry about HR but if I sit down to think about it, I end up feeling very negative towards the guy. Maybe I need psychotherapy?! Or, maybe not.

 

[arnoldlayne]

hi arnold - obviously your views are your views - for me there is absolutely nothing small-time about the performance we put in v man u at wembley

winning is the name of the game, but there would be nothing shameful in telling your grandchildren about the the time we got to wembley and gave the mighty man u one hell of a game

and you don't need to tell me about ramos and winning - cos I was one of the minority on here that voted the carling win season higher than the two previous seasons under jol (laudable though those were)

I also felt that JR had to go, and that had he not instead of looking forward to the chance of europe for 4 seasons running, we would probably be facing the precipice of an English tour to Doncaster leicester west brom loftus road and various other days out to savour

re your question, I haven't a clue as to the answer.

Actually I got it wrong as I mixed up an FA cup game but 2 points in the last 7 Premier league games, knocked out of Europe in same time, lost 3 games to top 3 = Martin O'Neill

 

[DC_Boy]

Actually I got it wrong as I mixed up an FA cup game but 2 points in the last 7 Premier league games, knocked out of Europe in same time, lost 3 games to top 3 = Martin O'Neill

Arnold

there's no doubt that MON is a good manager - but his record in england is not massively better than redknapp's

I believe he has won one, maybe two lge cups whereas HR has won an FA Cup

of course Harry has been in the job longer, but to be fair to both of them this is the first time either has managed a 'big' (don't like the term but it's convenient shorthand at times) English club

if we finish 7th and Villa 5th or 6th - given that we also made a cup final - then I would say HR's acheivement game for game since he joined will slightly edge MON's.

I believe we are neck and neck in the 'lge table post-Harry' (instead of 2009 AD we should have 2009 AHR

 

[Lilbaz]

Since day 1 I have been a fan of Harry. But I would ask people not to get too carried away. We have not got into Europe (yet) and still have 6 games to go anything can happen.

Next season will be the test, Everton, Villa and Man City will all be trying to catch up to the top 4 and we have to be there or there abouts or else it will be another waste and I'm getting pissed off with waiting for "next year".