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No 'Yid flags' for our Carling Cup tie

Mr-T

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Older Spurs fans that I know and who have been living abroad for many years now do not like the Yid thing including me.

It was never a Jewish club in my day. It simply had some Jewish supporters same as the Filth.

Jews lived around the Library more than Tottenham.

As I grew up, there seem to be a slight anti Jewish feel, nothing serious, nothing violent, just something our parents seem to hold within in them. They kind of made fun of them on occasions (the Jewish did dress funny and had funny haircuts).

And yet we went to war (my Dad included) partly because of what the Germans had done to the Jewish.

My parents are not alive now so I cant ask them.

But certainly Tottenham was never a Jewish club per say.

There can be allegiances that bring a passionate support. Rangers fans always displayed the Union Jack and also wore orange tops sometimes. Celtic fans unfurl the Irish tricolor.

Northern Irish protestants proudly display allegiance to Glasgow Rangers and to England with flags on occasions.

The Star of David could be a rallying call for Spurs fans these days I suppose.

I have mixed feelings because of my time in England as a young Spur.

I await with interest where this goes.
Just a couple of points. I thought we went to war because Germany invaded Poland and that the apalling genocide of Jewish people was discovered afterwards.

And the Rangers / Celtic thing is as far as I can see sectarian. One denomination of Christian against another (yes I know there are many various underlying things like rich vs poor and the Eire / Northern Ireland as well). The point is its religious and not racial.
 

Kendall

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There is a woman at work who seems to think it's ok to say things like "yeah, she's always a bit funny, a bit short, she's jewish though, so you know what they're like" etc.
 

Rocksuperstar

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'front wheel skid' is derogatory and I feel crosses the line between using the word Yid in connection with Spurs and racism.
I think it was meant as a joke as much as my Raspberry jus and Kendalls Mountain Dew was. To be honest, anyone younger than about 30, i'd be really surprised if they even made that connetion - hardly anyone since my grandad's generation has used a phrase like that.

If that pisses you off, i'd suggest never watching South Park - Cartman knocks rhyming slang into a top hat when it comes to antisemitism...
 

Jaispurs

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I think it was meant as a joke as much as my Raspberry jus and Kendalls Mountain Dew was. To be honest, anyone younger than about 30, i'd be really surprised if they even made that connetion - hardly anyone since my grandad's generation has used a phrase like that.

If that pisses you off, i'd suggest never watching South Park - Cartman knocks rhyming slang into a top hat when it comes to antisemitism...

And surprise surprise created by Jews so its acceptable. Same as Sacha Baron Cohen and his anti semetic characters. Its a parody.
 

riggi

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Maybe he feels its just offensive as 'Joe Daki', both are rhyming slang for a harsher word. Personally i think words are only offensive if you let youreself be offended by them, that said i dont belong to a minority group so i guess i cant really comment on it.
 

KentuckyYid

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Maybe he feels its just offensive as 'Joe Daki', both are rhyming slang for a harsher word. Personally i think words are only offensive if you let youreself be offended by them, that said i dont belong to a minority group so i guess i cant really comment on it.

I think it's 2050 that Briton's become the minority, or something like that.

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Mr-T

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Maybe he feels its just offensive as 'Joe Daki', both are rhyming slang for a harsher word. Personally i think words are only offensive if you let youreself be offended by them, that said i dont belong to a minority group so i guess i cant really comment on it.
Now this is something a bit different. 'Paki' is used the world over much the same as 'Aussie' and causes no offence at all. Yet misused by a minority of idiots in this country, it becomes derogatory and offensive.
 

riggi

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Now this is something a bit different. 'Paki' is used the world over much the same as 'Aussie' and causes no offence at all. Yet misused by a minority of idiots in this country, it becomes derogatory and offensive.

Am i wright in thinking it was origanally used in cricket to refere to the pakistani team?
 

Rocksuperstar

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Now this is something a bit different. 'Paki' is used the world over much the same as 'Aussie' and causes no offence at all. Yet misused by a minority of idiots in this country, it becomes derogatory and offensive.
As a cricket fan i know that it's not viewed as offensive by most, unless used in an offensive context but, lets be real, if required of me i don't doubt i could make pretty much any abbreviated country of origin sound offensive and it's not like you hear the French moaning about being dubbed "frogs" - they just slung it straight back, tagging us "Les Rosbif", which we also took in good humour or offense, depending entirely on it's context.

It's not about the word, or the meaning, it's about when it was popularised, why it was popularised and having the common decency to only use it amongst familiar company, or those who are comfortable with it.
 

Mr-T

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As a cricket fan i know that it's not viewed as offensive by most, unless used in an offensive context but, lets be real, if required of me i don't doubt i could make pretty much any abbreviated country of origin sound offensive and it's not like you hear the French moaning about being dubbed "frogs" - they just slung it straight back, tagging us "Les Rosbif", which we also took in good humour or offense, depending entirely on it's context.

It's not about the word, or the meaning, it's about when it was popularised, why it was popularised and having the common decency to only use it amongst familiar company, or those who are comfortable with it.
The crux of it can be summed up by Martin Luther King - "Racism is in its intent".
 

tylaw

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If one thinks that the rhyming slang version of a word is more offensive / derogatory than the original unrhymed word then one is being offensive / discriminatory towards users of rhyming slang, who tend be Londoners or other similar loveable characters.

I am not even going to dignify ‘riggi’ (if that even is his real name) with a response; I really don’t think he could have missed the point more if he tried.
 

Kendall

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You can call it something else if you'd prefer. I wasn't going to use the term 'white'...

But you get the gist of it, it's about demographics is all.

I didn't understand what you meant. You see, for me, a Briton is someone who was born in Britain, irrespective of race.
 
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