Scott Parker and woody

spursandbarca · Dec 9, 2010

would chelsea, man utd or arsenil be at all interested in scott parker??? the answer is no.

he is what 28/29 yrs old. we have champions league football it is time to think about better purchases

mattyspurs · Dec 9, 2010

spursandbarca said:
would chelsea, man utd or arsenil be at all interested in scott parker??? the answer is no.

he is what 28/29 yrs old. we have champions league football it is time to think about better purchases

That question has been answered further up

Bus-Conductor · Dec 9, 2010

michaelden said:
WTF? Van Bommel is known for his pace

I've always thought more his engine and dynamism, than his outright pace. I would have absolutely loved Van Bommel a few years ago, even now I wouldn't mind if we picked him up, because he would bring the same kind of leadership Gallas has, but if possible, I'd rather get a younger version who might give us something for more than 12 months.

Zimmy · Dec 9, 2010

spursandbarca said:
would chelsea, man utd or arsenil be at all interested in scott parker??? the answer is no.

he is what 28/29 yrs old. we have champions league football it is time to think about better purchases

Parker is just as good as the likes of Fletcher, Hargreaves and Denilson for that matter.

All this 'he wouldn't get into such and such a team' is such a flimsy basis for an argument it's almost not worth bothering with.

srups34 · Dec 9, 2010

If he helps keep us in the top 4 or higher,well worth the money I think. :wink:

Timberwolf · Dec 9, 2010

As well as being a good player, I think Scott Parker would be a good character to have around in the dressing room. At the moment we have an extremely talented, but rather quiet bunch of players who sometimes seem to lack leadership on the pitch (modders, hudd and jenas who have all led us out in recent years don't strike me as natural captains). Harry has acknowlged this in the past, describing the dressing room as 'quiet' when he first arrived and mentioning spurs' 'soft underbelly'. Obviously in the last 2 years we've gone a long way to alieviating this problem, but I do think we sometimes lack a character in the middle of the field.

With Parker, Gallas and VDV we would have leaders all over the pitch, something that is essential to being a successful team (look at Chelsea, United in recent years).

Mr Pink · Dec 9, 2010

FromTheLane said:
So so true. I think this misunderstanding can only come from people not having ever played any form of team game to any kind of standard. Whatever level a team is playing at, exactly the same principles and underlying ingredients are required in order for it to function and be successful. It goes without saying that you need different types of person in order to give the team the necessary dosage of leadership and passion; in the same way that that tough tackling, beer drinking and loutish lad was integral to the team spirit of your school team and constantly boosted morale by cracking jokes, a player with charisma who inspires people and lifts them is essential, whether this is through their will to win, bubbly nature, or sheer force of example. Note Chelsea's decline in recent weeks in the absence of Lampard and Terry as case in point.

It is obvious that there we still lack a vocal leader aside from Dawson, and especially in the middle of the pitch: Palacios, Huddlestone and Modric, for all their footballing quality, are hardly Churchillian types, and this shows at times when games are in the balance and organisation and initiative need to be taken but they are not.

This is why we need Parker specifically as opposed to another gifted foreign player with low influence.

Absolutely...

Mr Pink · Dec 9, 2010

I am genuinely excited by the prospect of Parker playing in our midfield.

All those away games at Blackburn, Birmingham, Bolton, Stoke, Fulham, Everton, Wolves...etc..if you have a guy like that in your midfield who can battle like fuck, roll his sleeves up when the going gets tough and who would drive us forward when we need someone to physically grab the game by the scruff. Not to mention how our creative talents will benefit from someone winning all those 50/50s and second balls and getting them on the ball more.

The Premiership is still a tough old League, especially away from home. We have so many fantastic talents but we need a few more battlers and he's still a good player on the ball so we arn't compromising anything.

That sort of character, passionate and utterly determined, can be infectious.

A no brainer for me and If I was a Pikey (thank the Lord I aint) I would be sick losing a player like that to Spurs.

Scores some crackers too.

FromTheLane · Dec 9, 2010

Mr Pink said:
I am genuinely excited by the prospect of Parker playing in our midfield.

All those away games at Blackburn, Birmingham, Bolton, Stoke, Fulham, Everton, Wolves...etc..if you have a guy like that in your midfield who can battle like fuck, roll his sleeves up when the going gets tough and who would drive us forward when we need someone to physically grab the game by the scruff. Not to mention how our creative talents will benefit from someone winning all those 50/50s and second balls and getting them on the ball more.

The Premiership is still a tough old League, especially away from home. We have so many fantastic talents but we need a few more battlers and he's still a good player on the ball so we arn't compromising anything.

That sort of character, passionate and utterly determined, can be infectious.

A no brainer for me and If I was a Pikey (thank the Lord I aint) I would be sick losing a player like that to Spurs.

Scores some crackers too.

Quite. Thing is for all the sexy foreign players in the Premiership and hugely increased technical level of teams as compared 10 years ago, it still remains essentially primitive in many ways. I genuinely don't think that Barcelona would necessarily stroll it due to the nature of so many of the battles at northern clubs in particular and the cauldron like atmosphere at the Britannia for example; on such occasions rarely is the quality of one's passing the definitive factor and being able to compete, physically and mentally, not just individually but as a collective, is at least important.

I think tactically Parker will also be hugely important, both as an organiser but also because his presence will allow Huddlestone to sit, and Modric to be even freer of defensive responsibilities, which should improve our creativity; when Van Der Vaart is fit they should be able to link and penetrate in the final third a lot more than they have been able to so far, for example. In turn this will also allow Bale to return to left back where he will rest assured cause even more damage than he has already this season, with his attacking instincts freed by the fact of Huddlestone dropping in as an auxiliary third centre back when we have the ball. This will accelerate his development still further.

Do you see what I am getting at, and do you agree?

Mr Pink · Dec 9, 2010

FromTheLane said:
Quite. Thing is for all the sexy foreign players in the Premiership and hugely increased technical level of teams as compared 10 years ago, it still remains essentially primitive in many ways. I genuinely don't think that Barcelona would necessarily stroll it due to the nature of so many of the battles at northern clubs in particular and the cauldron like atmosphere at the Britannia for example; on such occasions rarely is the quality of one's passing the definitive factor and being able to compete, physically and mentally, not just individually but as a collective, is at least important.

I think tactically Parker will also be hugely important, both as an organiser but also because his presence will allow Huddlestone to sit, and Modric to be even freer of defensive responsibilities, which should improve our creativity; when Van Der Vaart is fit they should be able to link and penetrate in the final third a lot more than they have been able to so far, for example. In turn this will also allow Bale to return to left back where he will rest assured cause even more damage than he has already this season, with his attacking instincts freed by the fact of Huddlestone dropping in as an auxiliary third centre back when we have the ball. This will accelerate his development still further.

Do you see what I am getting at, and do you agree?

I totally see what your getting at and I do agree in theory. I still think Bale will remain on the wing for now but in the future I think he will resort to LB.

Of course Parker coming into our midfield with the circumstances you propose above will be the more than a very good option.

Even if Bale were to stay on the wing Harry will have a choice of Huddlstone, Modric and Parker...fantastic options he can manipulate to best suit the situation and circumstances.

Obvioulsy Modric is a starter for most occasions but to get them all in Bale dropping back to LB is something Harry will obviously consider strongly - we all know he views Bale as a future LB anyway.

A lot depends on who we get in and how that affects team shape and balance, not to mention the continuing development of players like Bale.

I still want him on the wing for now where he is doing a lot of damage but when team shape and personnel choice warrants that we are better overall with Bale at LB and his contribution and effectiveness are just as high, and that of the team is even greater as a result, that will be the time to move him back. Obviously he has more defensive responsibility but full backs these days attack. I still think at the moment he needs to track back more when he's on the wing - like Lennon does.

But if Bale's impact can be as dangerous from deep, and with those runs from deep being harder to pick up and manage from the oppositions point of view, that line up could be seriously good with Hudd sitting and Parker doing a lot of graft with Modric roaming in the from the left and linking up with VDV....and hopefully all this with a top drawer centre forward.

FromTheLane · Dec 9, 2010

Mr Pink said:
I totally see what your getting at and I do agree in theory. I still think Bale will remain on the wing for now but in the future I think he will resort to LB.

Of course Parker coming into our midfield with the circumstances you propose above will be the more than a very good option.

Even if Bale were to stay on the wing Harry will have a choice of Huddlstone, Modric and Parker...fantastic options he can manipulate to best suit the situation and circumstances.

Obvioulsy Modric is a starter for most occasions but to get them all in Bale dropping back to LB is something Harry will obviously consider strongly - we all know he views Bale as a future LB anyway.

A lot depends on who we get in and how that affects team shape and balance, not to mention the continuing development of players like Bale.

I still want him on the wing for now where he is doing a lot of damage but when team shape and personnel choice warrants that we are better overall with Bale at LB and his contribution and effectiveness are just as high, and that of the team is even greater as a result, that will be the time to move him back. Obviously he has more defensive responsibility but full backs these days attack. I still think at the moment he needs to track back more when he's on the wing - like Lennon does.

But if Bale's impact can be as dangerous from deep, and with those runs from deep being harder to pick up and manage from the oppositions point of view, that line up could be seriously good with Hudd sitting and Parker doing a lot of graft with Modric roaming in the from the left and linking up with VDV....and hopefully all this with a top drawer centre forward.

Yeah absolutely. I think that we all know that Bale will ultimately revert to LB as for all his brilliance this season, it is notable that most of his best play has still come when picking up the ball in our half and running with it when he has a chance to get some space in behind the defence. While this will work on occasion and in some instances on the wing, equally his numerous quiet games this season also illustrate that he is markable out of the game on the wing in the way that he is not when marauding from the back-I think that it takes someone with genuinely unbelievable trickery to be a genuine world beater week in week out on the wing these days, and if you look around there are very few what you would call out and out wingers currently operating throughout Europe and even fewer teams with two of them in; the trend is certainly moving more towards roaming attacking midfielders with creative freedom. Nevertheless long term Bale's stint on the wing will benefit his development greatly as if you can learn to manouvre the ball into space from nothing, as he has got much better at without it ever being completely natural, and it will be even easier to make the runs from the back when he does move back, as long as he has the freedom to do so as afforded by having another combative player in the middle.

StartingPrice · Dec 9, 2010

FromTheLane said:
Yeah absolutely. I think that we all know that Bale will ultimately revert to LB as for all his brilliance this season, it is notable that most of his best play has still come when picking up the ball in our half and running with it when he has a chance to get some space in behind the defence. While this will work on occasion and in some instances on the wing, equally his numerous quiet games this season also illustrate that he is markable out of the game on the wing in the way that he is not when marauding from the back-I think that it takes someone with genuinely unbelievable trickery to be a genuine world beater week in week out on the wing these days, and if you look around there are very few what you would call out and out wingers currently operating throughout Europe and even fewer teams with two of them in; the trend is certainly moving more towards roaming attacking midfielders with creative freedom. Nevertheless long term Bale's stint on the wing will benefit his development greatly as if you can learn to manouvre the ball into space from nothing, as he has got much better at without it ever being completely natural, and it will be even easier to make the runs from the back when he does move back, as long as he has the freedom to do so as afforded by having another combative player in the middle.

The last 500 or so times I have explained this to certain people I have been abused, insulted, ridiculaed and (cyber) spat at. Some folk fear the ability of the truth to get in the way of a good opinion:roll:

Timberwolf · Dec 9, 2010

Mr Pink said:
I totally see what your getting at and I do agree in theory. I still think Bale will remain on the wing for now but in the future I think he will resort to LB.

Of course Parker coming into our midfield with the circumstances you propose above will be the more than a very good option.

Even if Bale were to stay on the wing Harry will have a choice of Huddlstone, Modric and Parker...fantastic options he can manipulate to best suit the situation and circumstances.

Obvioulsy Modric is a starter for most occasions but to get them all in Bale dropping back to LB is something Harry will obviously consider strongly - we all know he views Bale as a future LB anyway.

A lot depends on who we get in and how that affects team shape and balance, not to mention the continuing development of players like Bale.

I still want him on the wing for now where he is doing a lot of damage but when team shape and personnel choice warrants that we are better overall with Bale at LB and his contribution and effectiveness are just as high, and that of the team is even greater as a result, that will be the time to move him back. Obviously he has more defensive responsibility but full backs these days attack. I still think at the moment he needs to track back more when he's on the wing - like Lennon does.

But if Bale's impact can be as dangerous from deep, and with those runs from deep being harder to pick up and manage from the oppositions point of view, that line up could be seriously good with Hudd sitting and Parker doing a lot of graft with Modric roaming in the from the left and linking up with VDV....and hopefully all this with a top drawer centre forward.

Its funny how having such a wealth of attacking players is our greatest strength and yet at the same time our biggest weakness...

With both Lennon and Bale fit and on form we are obliged to play with two out and out wingers. That combined with Harry's penchant for 4-4-2, our fine attacking midfielders (VDV, Modders) and our marauding fullbacks, its nearly impossible for Harry to put out a balanced lineup without benching one of our best players. As a result Harry throws caution into the wind, plays all of them at once, and we get crazy games like those against Arsenal and Liverpool in recent weeks. We can score from nothing and scare the living shit out of the opposition, but our imbalance prevents us from ever having full control over games in the way United or Chelsea do (or have done in previous seasons).

The weird thing is I don't quite know how I feel about it all. We are SO exciting to watch and are the true entertainers of the league, a neutral's dream, and I LOVE it. We're the wild stallions of the champions league and football fans all over europe are starting to catch on (at least thats what I like to imagine).

But part of me knows that on another day we would've lost 3-1 to Liverpool at home when in reality our squad is far stronger than theirs. On another day Bale would've missed his shot againse the Arse and they would've cruised to a 4-1 victory. Maybe I'm being cynical and shouldn't be thinking about 'what could have been' but I do believe that sooner or later we're gonna come unstuck playing with our heart on our sleeves and Harrys gonna have to reel us in. Whether that means playing Modric on the right and leaving Lennon on the bench, or moving Bale to LB, at some point down the line I think we're gonna need to shake things up a little.

Mr Pink · Dec 9, 2010

FromTheLane said:
Yeah absolutely. I think that we all know that Bale will ultimately revert to LB as for all his brilliance this season, it is notable that most of his best play has still come when picking up the ball in our half and running with it when he has a chance to get some space in behind the defence. While this will work on occasion and in some instances on the wing, equally his numerous quiet games this season also illustrate that he is markable out of the game on the wing in the way that he is not when marauding from the back-I think that it takes someone with genuinely unbelievable trickery to be a genuine world beater week in week out on the wing these days, and if you look around there are very few what you would call out and out wingers currently operating throughout Europe and even fewer teams with two of them in; the trend is certainly moving more towards roaming attacking midfielders with creative freedom. Nevertheless long term Bale's stint on the wing will benefit his development greatly as if you can learn to manouvre the ball into space from nothing, as he has got much better at without it ever being completely natural, and it will be even easier to make the runs from the back when he does move back, as long as he has the freedom to do so as afforded by having another combative player in the middle.

I think your bang on the money with that.

Mr Pink · Dec 9, 2010

Timberwolf said:
Its funny how having such a wealth of attacking players is our greatest strength and yet at the same time our biggest weakness...

With both Lennon and Bale fit and on form we are obliged to play with two out and out wingers. That combined with Harry's penchant for 4-4-2, our fine attacking midfielders (VDV, Modders) and our marauding fullbacks, its nearly impossible for Harry to put out a balanced lineup without benching one of our best players. As a result Harry throws caution into the wind, plays all of them at once, and we get crazy games like those against Arsenal and Liverpool in recent weeks. We can score from nothing and scare the living shit out of the opposition, but our imbalance prevents us from ever having full control over games in the way United or Chelsea do (or have done in previous seasons).

The weird thing is I don't quite know how I feel about it all. We are SO exciting to watch and are the true entertainers of the league, a neutral's dream, and I LOVE it. We're the wild stallions of the champions league and football fans all over europe are starting to catch on (at least thats what I like to imagine).

But part of me knows that on another day we would've lost 3-1 to Liverpool at home when in reality our squad is far stronger than theirs. On another day Bale would've missed his shot againse the Arse and they would've cruised to a 4-1 victory. Maybe I'm being cynical and shouldn't be thinking about 'what could have been' but I do believe that sooner or later we're gonna come unstuck playing with our heart on our sleeves and Harrys gonna have to reel us in. Whether that means playing Modric on the right and leaving Lennon on the bench, or moving Bale to LB, at some point down the line I think we're gonna need to shake things up a little.

Your right thats exactly what we are doing but the very fact that Harry will tweak this squad again will reflect that he is very much aware of that.

The trick will be keeping our huge attacking threat very much alive whilst tightening up a bit at the same time.

Harry goes on in the media that we will continue to have a go and thats the way we play etc...but he will be thinking long and hard in terms of addressing the balance whilst not sacrificing too much of our attacking play which brings so many compliments and superlatives.

Harry will be fully aware that a Valancia, for example, could carve us right open, particularly away from WHL.

He'll be relishing the prospect of taking this team as far as he can in this competition and knows a few adjustments to team shape and personnel will give us a better chance of progressing further, not to mention its fully necessary for the League too - which is more important.

TwoSaintsComeMarching · Dec 9, 2010

I have always felt Bale at LB would be more beneficial to the team as a whole.

Imagine this team:

Defoe
VDV
Modric Thudd Parker Lennon
Bale King Gallas Corluka
Gomes

Because of the personnel Bale will be playing with, it will still allow him to play to his strengths and attack and get into the box and effectively still play as a LW.

Effectively this is what it will look like when bale gets involved with the attacks:

Code:

                             Defoe

                        VDV

Bale         Modric         Parker           Lennon

                    THudd                  Corluka
     King                      Gallas          

                       Gomes

See what I did there?

Thudd would drop back and the two CBs would split with King becoming a makeshift LB. Effectively the midfield would be Bale, Modric, Parker and Lennon - pretty much what it is now.

So really the dynamism of this team means that we are great going forward with Bale and Lennon providing width, Thudd sitting deep and pinging balls spreading the play. Parker and Thudd to press in the centre and relieving Modric and VDV of any defensive duties and allowing them to create down the middle.

Simples.

This is the future, and I bloody cant wait to see it in action. Best of both worlds.

NB. If we dont get Parker I still have full faith in Palacios, so the same as above applies.

Timberwolf · Dec 9, 2010

TwoSaintsComeMarching said:
I have always felt Bale at LB would be more beneficial to the team as a whole.

Imagine this team:

Defoe
VDV
Modric Thudd Parker Lennon
Bale King Gallas Corluka
Gomes

Because of the personnel Bale will be playing with, it will still allow him to play to his strengths and attack and get into the box and effectively still play as a LW.

Effectively this is what it will look like when bale gets involved with the attacks:

Code:

Defoe VDV Bale Modric Parker Lennon THudd Corluka King Gallas Gomes

See what I did there?

Thudd would drop back and the two CBs would split with King becoming a makeshift LB. Effectively the midfield would be Bale, Modric, Parker and Lennon - pretty much what it is now.

So really the dynamism of this team means that we are great going forward with Bale and Lennon providing width, Thudd sitting deep and pinging balls spreading the play. Parker and Thudd to press in the centre and relieving Modric and VDV of any defensive duties and allowing them to create down the middle.

Simples.

This is the future, and I bloody cant wait to see it in action. Best of both worlds.

NB. If we dont get Parker I still have full faith in Palacios, so the same as above applies.

That lineup would be fantastic. If Hudd can keep his discipline and one of our other CBs covers Bale effectively when he goes forward (something that was distinctly lacking in our home game against Wigan). that team retains our lethal attacking style, while improving our ball retention and defensive shape.

Mouthwatering stuff.

FromTheLane · Dec 9, 2010

TwoSaintsComeMarching said:
I have always felt Bale at LB would be more beneficial to the team as a whole.

Imagine this team:

Defoe
VDV
Modric Thudd Parker Lennon
Bale King Gallas Corluka
Gomes

Because of the personnel Bale will be playing with, it will still allow him to play to his strengths and attack and get into the box and effectively still play as a LW.

Effectively this is what it will look like when bale gets involved with the attacks:

Code:

Defoe VDV Bale Modric Parker Lennon THudd Corluka King Gallas Gomes

See what I did there?

Thudd would drop back and the two CBs would split with King becoming a makeshift LB. Effectively the midfield would be Bale, Modric, Parker and Lennon - pretty much what it is now.

So really the dynamism of this team means that we are great going forward with Bale and Lennon providing width, Thudd sitting deep and pinging balls spreading the play. Parker and Thudd to press in the centre and relieving Modric and VDV of any defensive duties and allowing them to create down the middle.

Simples.

This is the future, and I bloody cant wait to see it in action. Best of both worlds.

NB. If we dont get Parker I still have full faith in Palacios, so the same as above applies.

I completely agree, that team is a genuinely breathtaking proposition, and even more so if you replace Defoe with a mobile, powerful and goalscoring striker.

I actually think that, although the balance of that would be almost ideal, HR might even take it one step further and replace Lennon with another creative midfielder (Pienaar ideally) and then instil an attacking right back in place of Corluka to give us more thrust on both sides as well as additional guile through the middle. I wouldn't be surprised if he went in for Johnson with a view to this (not a signing I would necessarily be ecstatic about but equally wouldn't be overly bothered by) or promoted Walker/Kaboul to that role once someone hopefully gives us a bit of dough for Hutton (again, not that he isn't perfectly adequate). This I feel would free up Lennon to play in his more threatening role of impact sub (ala Walcott for Arsenal) without us having to sacrifice width.

We would then also have a devastating bench as well that could actually make a positive tactical impact, something that I feel we currently lack by dint of having on the whole non-explosive replacements, which at time has increased the workload on the first team I have felt this season, and in doing so not helped the injury situation of first choice players.

brett.spurs · Dec 10, 2010

Would be even better if you took Parker out of it.

FromTheLane · Dec 10, 2010

brett.spurs said:
Would be even better if you took Parker out of it.

You silly tease, brett, nothing if not forthcoming with an opinion.

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