Redknapp Out; Villas-Boas In

StartingPrice · May 9, 2011

steve said:
We've had a fantastic year according to Harry on MOTD2 just now. When quizzed on the recent shortcomings you can see him start to stiffen up mg: and become defensive. I don't expect him to collapse in a confession of his own shortcomings, but it's a worrying sign to me.

I'd prefer a younger manager with a vision, someone who wants to create a legacy and attempt to emulate the likes of SAF - not easy I know. I wouldn't be against Moyes - question marks over his use of money remain but he's at the right age and would be around for years to come if successful.

If I thought Harry was going to stick around for 5 years and really learn from his mistakes then I'd be happy for him to stay - I'm just not convinced about either...

:shrug: I thought he did quite well - he is running a formerly genuinely big club with high expectations on an absolute shoe-string. While they aren't pulling any trees up I would say, apart from some terrible starts (sic.) they pretty much hold their own. He hasn't made that many big signings, of necessity, but of the ones he has I can't think of any disasters. Fellani has been good IMHO, Saha definitely worth a gamble, the Yak was good until he was injured. Selling Lescott and then getting Distin and Heitinga in was wheeler-dealing to rival our very own 'Arry. He has also shown a willingness to take risks on lower league players everyone else was looking at with Cahill, and that has been a success - even if driven by the necessity of having little money. At worst, I would say the jury is still out on that one, at best, he looks a shrewd investor.

There's always next year said:
Interesting to see what Levy's reaction will be if we fail to win any other remaining three games and finish 6th or 7th. Levy will see the Europa league as an additional revenue stream, which could net him a few million in gate fees. Without this and the bloated squad and wages assembled by Redknapp could potentially cause investment issues for next year.

He had the Dan Levy look of "I'm going to do something" on Saturday.

talkshowhost86 said:
Just as an aside, does anyone think Levy would actually sack Redknapp at the end of the season, regardless of whether we think he should go or not?

He had the Dan Levy look of "I'm going to do something" on Saturday.

sloth said:
Bloody hell, I've gone from being one of his biggest critics to defender of his job.

I think Redknapp's got plenty of failings however it would be madness for us to sack him. The turmoil that would cause would be far worse than any perceived gain from him going. Even if he's hindering the team not aiding it (and I don't believe that), then we're still good enough for sixth and a cup run, far better to let him go on his own terms and give him the chance to turn it around, than just sack him for the sake of it and hope the ructions don't totally derail next season too!

It's evolution we want not constant revolution.

:grin:
I think that is because even when I disagree with you you are voicing an opinion on where you beleive things could be improved on the pitch (which is what we should all want), whereas some posters just mkae wild, knee-jerk statementsor vent old quarrels that have little to do with the current situation.

Delboy10 · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
Yay! More transition, more managers, more seasons of shit mediocrity, more player changes, then more managers, more transition, no, more....MORE!!!!
MORE MANAGERS, MORE MEDIOCRITY, MORE TRANSITION! I CANT STAND THIS CONSISTENCY, WE ARE GRADUALLY GETTING BETTER, THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, I WANT IT NOW OR A NEW MANAGER!
MORE MANAGERS, MORE TRANSITION, MORE 442, LESS 442, REGARDLESS OF GETTING TO THE QUARTER FINAL OF THE CL THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH 451 OR TOO MUCH 451!!

We are finally carving ourselves into a side worthy of challenging for honours on all fronts, and you want to sack the manager???!!
Someone said we need a manager with the honours to his name worthy of spurs.... What fucking honours? Are you Austin Powers cos it aint the fucking 60s anymore, we have been shit for decades, and FINALLY after sooooo many shit shit managers we have one who has taken us to the promised land of CL. A slight dip in form from a hard season catching up with the players and you want harry out???

I am embarrased to be associated with such clutses!

:clap:

Mr Pink · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
Depends what you class as ill. ill enough to not be in the team? then why was he in the matchday squad? why did he travel with the team?

In reality, he warmed up with the team, got changed and ready to play and then bottled it (pulled a whitey or whatever you want to call it), decided at the very last that he was not fit to play....

Rearranging the team at the 11th hour like this is very disruptive and made us go out in completely the wrong mind-frame. The disappointment is justifiable, he let the team down.

Of course its disruptive but you dont know what happened to Lennon or what way he was feeling.

You think Harry planned to be down to ten men early doors? I think Crouchy's moment of madness was a lot more 'disruptive'...

A bit of perspective like.

DEFchenkOE · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
Depends what you class as ill. ill enough to not be in the team? then why was he in the matchday squad? why did he travel with the team?

In reality, he warmed up with the team, got changed and ready to play and then bottled it (pulled a whitey or whatever you want to call it), decided at the very last that he was not fit to play....

Rearranging the team at the 11th hour like this is very disruptive and made us go out in completely the wrong mind-frame. The disappointment is justifiable, he let the team down.

Why would he?? He has played in big games before in the league, played at a world cup, played at the San Siro. Why would he suddenly bottle it?? He said himself that he wanted to play as much as anyone and the club new about his illness a few days before. Seems like they took him along in hope he would get better (understandable), but then at some point he felt he was too ill to play. Then Redknapp decided to rearrange the whole midfield and the rest is history.

Mr Pink · May 9, 2011

DEFchenkOE said:
Why would he?? He has played in big games before in the league, played at a world cup, played at the San Siro. Why would he suddenly bottle it?? He said himself that he wanted to play as much as anyone and the club new about his illness a few days before. Seems like they took him along in hope he would get better (understandable), but then at some point he felt he was too ill to play. Then Redknapp decided to rearrange the whole midfield and the rest is history.

Exactly this, not sure why its so difficult to comprehend.

MrWoolley · May 9, 2011

Rout-Ledge said:
I agree on the whole, From the Lane. I'm hoping that a summer's break, along with a couple of good signings, will reinvigorate us.

We desperately need a strong start to the season.

I think one quality that Redknapp has is that when we are playing well and getting results, he's a confident guy and this is reflected in the performance of the team. The trouble is when it's not going so well, he get's defensive and suggests that we never had much of a chance to get the top four anyway.

So, COYS, let's give Redknapp the freedom to make the signings he wants to make and have a great start to the new season come August.

I've dreaded coming into this thread. This post is spot on and reflects what I would of put.

sunnydelight786 · May 9, 2011

talkshowhost86 said:
Neither of those achievements are as impressive as getting Spurs into the top four and then into the final eight of the Champions League when we were bottom when Redknapp took over.

That's a matter of opinion.....

DoublePivot · May 9, 2011

Man, go away for the weekend.

Last week I said that Harry would be fired for sixth, but this wouldn't be a good move. But Levy is ruthless and this season will not go over well. The look on his face at this week's match made me even more sure my guess might be spot on. Did not go over well at all. Didn't even matter that its not what I think is best. Just saying it last week got you into a rabid arguement.

This week everybody is now calling for him to go and you'd be unpopular to want to keep him. :roll:

Very fickle

In the long run, I am still sure Levy will move on this. I don't think he should though. Jol had 2.5 good seasons and was undermined and it hurt us. Doing so to Harry could do the same thing. And I imagine it will go this way

Levy: Harry, meet the new director of football
Harry: the what?
Levy: He's here to help spot talent and sign players.
Harry: **** ***** you little ****
Levy (to new DoF): I guess your next job is finding us a manager
DoF: Do you want me to call Wenger, now that he's available
Levy: Nah....If I wanted a shit coach, I'd just bring back Christian Gross

midoNdefoe · May 9, 2011

Mr Pink said:
Of course its disruptive but you dont know what happened to Lennon or what way he was feeling.

You think Harry planned to be down to ten men early doors? I think Crouchy's moment of madness was a lot more 'disruptive'...

A bit of perspective like.

There is no doubting crouch's moment of madness contributed to our demise, that is not the point i'm making.
The disruption caused by lennons last second pull-out may well have contributed to crouch's insanity on the pitch. Though that is not what i am saying either.

If lennon was feeling ill, tell someone, dont leave it to the last second and let everyone down. Apparently the same thing occured while with the england team, he pulled out at the last second and everyone got on his back about it (which would kinda ring true with his seeming alienation from the england set-up even during his on-form spells)

Picking up a knock or tweaking a muscle before kick-off is one thing, refusing to play at the last second because you dont feel right shows a massive lack of commitment. The correct thing to have done would have been to give it a go, and if he is clearly struggling in the first half hour, withdraw him.

Note: Lennon is one of my favourite players at the club.

midoNdefoe · May 9, 2011

Mr Pink said:
Exactly this, not sure why its so difficult to comprehend.

Why would a manager, renowned for his man-management skills suddenly alienate one of his best players?

There has to be something in there, why are you ignoring that...

Mr Pink · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
There is no doubting crouch's moment of madness contributed to our demise, that is not the point i'm making.
The disruption caused by lennons last second pull-out may well have contributed to crouch's insanity on the pitch. Though that is not what i am saying either.

If lennon was feeling ill, tell someone, dont leave it to the last second and let everyone down. Apparently the same thing occured while with the england team, he pulled out at the last second and everyone got on his back about it (which would kinda ring true with his seeming alienation from the england set-up even during his on-form spells)

Picking up a knock or tweaking a muscle before kick-off is one thing, refusing to play at the last second because you dont feel right shows a massive lack of commitment. The correct thing to have done would have been to give it a go, and if he is clearly struggling in the first half hour, withdraw him.

Note: Lennon is one of my favourite players at the club.

Would you rather him of played, feeling weak or whatever and been responsibile for us getting raped down the right hand side.

To even imply, in around about sort of way, that it could of caused Crouch to do that is simply absurd.

Mr Pink · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
Why would a manager, renowned for his man-management skills suddenly alienate one of his best players?

There has to be something in there, why are you ignoring that...

I think the tension arose because of poor communication or interpretation of what Harry said after the game.

midoNdefoe · May 9, 2011

Mr Pink said:
Would you rather him of played, feeling weak or whatever and been responsibile for us getting raped down the right hand side.

To even imply, in around about sort of way, that it could of caused Crouch to do that is simply absurd.

Yes i would much rather have had him play some part. The raping you suggest is speculation.

Crouch was clearly flustered, as where the team. I am purely suggesting that the late withdrawal of lennon had an effect on the team.

midoNdefoe · May 9, 2011

Mr Pink said:
I think the tension arose because of poor communication or interpretation of what Harry said after the game.

so maybe not down to poor man-management?

It is all a bit speculative really, the whole thing. I dont want harry to go, and i want lennon to be as good as we all wish he could become.

Harry is a fantastic manager, and i'm proud that he is here!

Mr Pink · May 9, 2011

midoNdefoe said:
Yes i would much rather have had him play some part. The raping you suggest is speculation.

Crouch was clearly flustered, as where the team. I am purely suggesting that the late withdrawal of lennon had an effect on the team.

and what you're saying regarding how Lennon was feeling before the game is complete speculation...

Crouch has had plenty of Champions League experience, he's a professional.

talkshowhost86 · May 9, 2011

sunnydelight786 said:
That's a matter of opinion.....

Yes but any opinion to the contrary would be wrong :wink:

You surely can't think that winning the Portuguese league with a team that has won that league 4 times in the last 5 years is a bigger achievement than coming 4th in the Premiership with a team that had only got close to doing that once since the Premiership began?

Or that getting to the final of the Europa League is a bigger achievement than getting to the last 8 of the Champions League?

worcestersauce · May 9, 2011

This season has been a bit of a coming of age for us as this season is the season that clubs really took us seriously especially the lower clubs who have afforded us the respect they reserve for top clubs and have set out to stop us, defending in numbers and getting physical.
True we have been found wanting but that is understandable as we have all the difficulties of a top club with none of the experience, we are not a Man utd who have been in this situation for years and quite honestly are not quite as good as them anyway.
Constant improvement is not continuous it is step by step and you deal with each new obstacle as you get to them, hopefully we will address our playing deficiencies in the summer and having learnt from this season's disappointments our approach next year will be on a whole different level, we won't, for example, approach games against the Wigans, Wolves or Blackpool's of next years prem thinking we are better than them and so should beat them, we will know that we have to earn every single victory and fight & work like we were fighting relegation ourselves.

All this has been new territory for Harry Redknapp as well, after all when has he had a club this big in this position and having learnt the lessons this year he'll be better prepared for next so I can't see the sense of getting rid of him, no sense at all I'm afraid.

Bus-Conductor · May 9, 2011

talkshowhost86 said:
Ramos never got the team playing well. I think under him we played well in two games in the Carling Cup and pretty much every other game was a disaster.

Redknapp has shown that he can get the team playing well enough to qualify for the Champions League and to then hold our own in the Champions League. Before February we had 2 seasons of success under Redknapp so 3 months of poor form shouldn't mean his undoing unless that dip in form is a result of the manager being distracted by a future job opportunity elsewhere.

I would say you can draw a direct parallel with Ramos first 3/4 season. This season will also be remembered for two big cup performances and a rapid decline post the last one.

You think the football we played under Ramos was any worse than what we have watched the last three months ? Two years down the line with a vastly improved squad ?

You really believe Redknapp has improved any of our players or moulded us into a cohesive, hard working unit ?

Redknapp is a chancer, he's always been a chancer. When his lucks in, he looks great, but luck is never permanent and when it runs out he trots out his usual "we need to spend big" or "some of by big players have let me down" line, or worse "I can only work with the players I have" bollocks.

As if the reason we have taken 3 points form 18 against the bottom three sides in the league is a lack of spending. Of course it's got nothing to do with his ridiculous team selections and tactics and poor coaching methodology or team preparation.

FFS, we aren't even organised at corners. That's shoolboy stuff.

class of 62 · May 9, 2011

Bus-Conductor said:
I would say you can draw a direct parallel with Ramos first 3/4 season. This season will also be remembered for two big cup performances and a rapid decline post the last one.

You think the football we played under Ramos was any worse than what we have watched the last three months ? Two years down the line with a vastly improved squad ?

You really believe Redknapp has improved any of our players or moulded us into a cohesive, hard working unit ?

Redknapp is a chancer, he's always been a chancer. When his lucks in, he looks great, but luck is never permanent and when it runs out he trots out his usual "we need to spend big" or "some of by big players have let me down" line, or worse "I can only work with the players I have" bollocks.

As if the reason we have taken 3 points form 18 against the bottom three sides in the league is a lack of spending. Of course it's got nothing to do with his ridiculous team selections and tactics and poor coaching methodology or team preparation.

FFS, we aren't even organised at corners. That's shoolboy stuff.

you can see why though... plenty to say on motd2 last night but dont attend his teams training session this morning!.

StartingPrice · May 9, 2011

worcestersauce said:
This season has been a bit of a coming of age for us as this season is the season that clubs really took us seriously especially the lower clubs who have afforded us the respect they reserve for top clubs and have set out to stop us, defending in numbers and getting physical.
True we have been found wanting but that is understandable as we have all the difficulties of a top club with none of the experience, we are not a Man utd who have been in this situation for years and quite honestly are not quite as good as them anyway.
Constant improvement is not continuous it is step by step and you deal with each new obstacle as you get to them, hopefully we will address our playing deficiencies in the summer and having learnt from this season's disappointments our approach next year will be on a whole different level, we won't, for example, approach games against the Wigans, Wolves or Blackpool's of next years prem thinking we are better than them and so should beat them, we will know that we have to earn every single victory and fight & work like we were fighting relegation ourselves.

All this has been new territory for Harry Redknapp as well, after all when has he had a club this big in this position and having learnt the lessons this year he'll be better prepared for next so I can't see the sense of getting rid of him, no sense at all I'm afraid.

:clap:

Word to the wise, my friend, any word talking sense ATM is a word wasted:grin:

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