The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 18 May 2011

BringBack_leGin · May 21, 2011

Yes.

Will he be anywhere near as much use to us? Doubt it.

Will he be better than them much longer as a combination of injuries and age slow him down? Doubt it.

marvel · May 21, 2011

nicdic said:
Is Ferdinand better than Dawson, Gallas and Kaboul?

When fit, yea imo

brett.spurs · May 21, 2011

Talk about completely missing the point.

rebrab · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
Other than losing the club around 5m in wages, what has Woodgates presence acheived over the past two seasons?

The other thing I'd say is, if Ferguson is writing off a player from being useful, then a club like us who aspires to that level shouldn't go within a mile. I would never want us to sign a player that Utd didn't actually want to keep.

purely as a matter of interest... Berbatov? If Fergie decided to sell him

nicdic · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
Yes.

Will he be anywhere near as much use to us? Doubt it.

Will he be better than them much longer as a combination of injuries and age slow him down? Doubt it.

I agree that over the last couple of years he hasn't played as much because of injuries, but when he has played he's been quality. You can't deny that, and he's got a good few years left in him yet I reckon. And even if we only got a year out of him and it got us back in the CL would that not be worth it? Why does every transfer have to be a youngster with years and years ahead of them. We can't always buy potential.

brett.spurs said:
Talk about completely missing the point.

Is the point of transfers not to improve? Did I miss something?

Viva la Tottenham · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
Other than losing the club around 5m in wages, what has Woodgates presence acheived over the past two seasons?

The other thing I'd say is, if Ferguson is writing off a player from being useful, then a club like us who aspires to that level shouldn't go within a mile. I would never want us to sign a player that Utd didn't actually want to keep.

what about when he shifted RVN and Beckham

specspurs · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
We have a boy who is widely considered a huge talent in Caulker. Huge talents develop by getting chances, not by having Rio put ahead of them. In Kaboul we have a tall, strong, fast centre back who is comfortable on the ball, great in the air and a quality tackler. He doesn't become the centre back he was destined to be by having Rio put ahead of him. Then there's King, who when fit is the best centre back anywhere, Dawson, who is our heartbeat, and Gallas, who has just had a superb season for us. We're cutting a great centre back loose in Woodgate, and shipping out the very capable Bassong because he can't get a sniff. Massive wages and a squad place going to Rio would be a huge waste in every sense.

Perfectly put.Repped.

BringBack_leGin · May 21, 2011

Yes, and his performance against us this season in the 0-0 when we should've pasted them was immense. Aside from King I think he's the best centre back this country has produced in the past two decades. However, I don't think he's got a good few years left, I think he's got a good few games over a period of a few years. I guess this is where we differ.

Why keep King you might ask, knowing that I'm in full support of keeping King? Well, we're already going to be paying King another 3m quid so it would be daft not to get what use out of him that we can. Would I want us to sign King though were he the exact same player, with the exact same problems and record, but for another club over the past decade and not a Spurs great? Absolutely not, for the exact same reasons that I would not sign Ferdinand now.

brett.spurs · May 21, 2011

Ok nic, if you could have the top 33 yr old of every position, you'd buy them(on their massive wages) and stick them in ahead of our current players aslong as they're better?

So what happens 3 years down the line when the existing players have all long gone, all below their real market value whilst these "better" players are all ready to retire. Where's our team? We've pumped millions into wages and now we have no one left, what then?

punky · May 21, 2011

nicdic said:
But punky you have chosen to ignore any links to anybody that doesn't fit. We're linked with Osvaldo, Falcao, Hulk, Drogba, Adebayor, Marin, Hazard, Sakho, Gervinho, etc. Yet Harry only wants aging pros who are all past it and will have a bad influence etc.

It's just silly.

No it's not silly. I'm going on quotes direct from Harry's mouth not journalist speculation. I can appreciate that you work in the newspaper industry and maybe journos carry more weight with you but until Harry starts talking about it I will treat it as what it is - speculation. If you think Harry is going to keep talking about what a winner Neville is and how we need him when secretly he is bidding for Aguero then that's just wishful thinking. I'm not holding nmy breath. History tells us that if Harry is talking about a player (like Bellamy, a "leader") then he wants that player is trying for him.

You know better than any of us that that the vast majority of the 200 or so players we are linked to in the media every window are completely baseless. You want to grasp at straws, go right ahead but i'm not.

If you want to talk being silly, then dismissing me as anti-Harry when I have

a) carefully chosen words that specifically critique his transfer policy and not the man
b) have an opinion which differs from yours

is beyond silly.

BringBack_leGin · May 21, 2011

Viva la Tottenham said:
what about when he shifted RVN and Beckham

Beckham, in 8 seasons since leaving Utd, has had one good half season for Madrid. Anything greater than that being claimed is merely the Beckham spin machine.

RVN I'll give you, but he was far younger than Ferdinand is when Fergie shifted him and he's still had the most awful injury problems since leaving anyway, however good he might have been when fit at Madrid.

StartingPrice · May 21, 2011

punky said:
If you really don't think so then that's your perogative. We'll agree to disagree nd move on.

Speaking of the two Kyles though when the transfer went through there was plenty of ITK (and i'm sure media reports) that, like the Sandro transfer, it wasn't entirely a Redknapp descision.

But that is the whole point. It is the manager's job to delegate. He delegates. He trusts the employees he dleegates to, that's why he is prepared to delegate to them. He listens to their conclusions and then makes a decision. That is the way it works. Why do you have a problem with that:shrug:

nicdic · May 21, 2011

brett.spurs said:
Ok nic, if you could have the top 33 yr old of every position, you'd buy them(on their massive wages) and stick them in ahead of our current players aslong as they're better?

So what happens 3 years down the line when the existing players have all long gone, all below their real market value whilst these "better" players are all ready to retire. Where's our team? We've pumped millions into wages and now we have no one left, what then?

Where have I said let's replace all of our players with old players? Where has Harry said that? Parker and Ferdinand would improve us, so would Drogba. I'd take them all if they improve us. It wouldn't mean we'd lose all of our young players.

punky said:
No it's not silly. I'm going on quotes direct from Harry's mouth not journalist speculation. I can appreciate that you work in the newspaper industry and maybe journos carry more weight with you but until Harry starts talking about it I will treat it as what it is - speculation. If you think Harry is going to keep talking about what a winner Neville is and how we need him when secretly he is bidding for Aguero then that's just wishful thinking. I'm not holding nmy breath. History tells us that if Harry is talking about a player (like Bellamy, a "leader") then he wants that player is trying for him.

You know better than any of us that that the vast majority of the 200 or so players we are linked to in the media every window are completely baseless. You want to grasp at straws, go right ahead but i'm not.

If you want to talk being silly, then dismissing me as anti-Harry when I have

a) carefully chosen words that specifically critique his transfer policy and not the man
b) have an opinion which differs from yours

is beyond silly.

I'm not grasping at anything, just saying I'd be happy for us to sign anyone that improves us. I want us to be successful. If that means signing Parker and Ferdinand then fine, if it means signing some unknown youngsters, then fine, if it's players from on the continent, then fine. If it's a mix, that's fine. I don't care who the players are if they improve us.

I could understand some of the attitudes when Distin was linked, or if we did heaven forbid, sign Carlton Cole like people joke, but Rio Ferdinand is still one of the best centre backs in the league! It's laughable that firstly, people are saying they wouldn't want him, I can understand reservations about his fitness, but if he was fit enough, it's a no brainer. Secondly, that some ITK saying Harry wants Rio is somehow a negative thing on Harry. I'm not specifically saying you, though it has seemed like you are anti-Harry, but how is Harry wanting to improve the team a bad thing?

punky · May 21, 2011

StartingPrice said:
But that is the whole point. It is the manager's job to delegate. He delegates. He trusts the employees he dleegates to, that's why he is prepared to delegate to them. He listens to their conclusions and then makes a decision. That is the way it works. Why do you have a problem with that:shrug:

When I have ever say I had a problem with it? And it was always clear that Sherwood worked with the academy.

However if Redknapp delegates buying youngsters to Sherwood and Sherwood effs-up then it is still Redknapp's responsibility.

specspurs · May 21, 2011

nicdic said:
But punky you have chosen to ignore any links to anybody that doesn't fit. We're linked with Osvaldo, Falcao, Hulk, Drogba, Adebayor, Marin, Hazard, Sakho, Gervinho, etc. Yet Harry only wants aging pros who are all past it and will have a bad influence etc.

It's just silly.

I think the problem here is that we're all worried.Worried about this transfer window because of the history of the previous.Worried because of Harry's stream of statements to the press.Worried because for the first time in a long time we can all see the our beloved Spurs could be really close to glory but we need the right signings to make it happen.Worried because we're not sure that Harry has the imagination and the foresight to sign a couple of the exciting,up and coming younger talents from Europe and combine them with the leaders from the EPL that he craves.

sunnydelight786 · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
Beckham, in 8 seasons since leaving Utd, has had one good half season for Madrid. Anything greater than that being claimed is merely the Beckham spin machine.

RVN I'll give you, but he was far younger than Ferdinand is when Fergie shifted him and he's still had the most awful injury problems since leaving anyway, however good he might have been when fit at Madrid.

He left because he had a massive falling out with SAF behind the scenes, not because of footballing reasons.........

http://mufc-pics.blogspot.com/2011/04/ruud-van-nistelrooy-on-united-and-his.html

LukaMotion · May 21, 2011

BringBack_leGin said:
Beckham, in 8 seasons since leaving Utd, has had one good half season for Madrid. Anything greater than that being claimed is merely the Beckham spin machine.

RVN I'll give you, but he was far younger than Ferdinand is when Fergie shifted him and he's still had the most awful injury problems since leaving anyway, however good he might have been when fit at Madrid.

Pique?

nicdic · May 21, 2011

punky said:
When I have ever say I had a problem with it? And it was always clear that Sherwood worked with the academy.

However if Redknapp delegates buying youngsters to Sherwood and Sherwood effs-up then it is still Redknapp's responsibility.

And if it goes well it's down to who? Because I see very few people giving Harry any credit for Sandro...

specspurs said:
I think the problem here is that we're all worried.Worried about this transfer window because of the history of the previous.Worried because of Harry's stream of statements to the press.Worried because for the first time in a long time we can all see the our beloved Spurs could be really close to glory but we need the right signings to make it happen.Worried because we're not sure that Harry has the imagination and the foresight to sign a couple of the exciting,up and coming younger talents from Europe and combine them with the leaders from the EPL that he craves.

Last season Harry improved the squad with Gallas (Prem proven, experience, quality), van der Vaart (top of his game, experience) and Sandro (upcoming youngster). He did it last year, why all the worry?

Matt C · May 21, 2011

nicdic said:
Where have I said let's replace all of our players with old players? Where has Harry said that? Parker and Ferdinand would improve us, so would Drogba. I'd take them all if they improve us. It wouldn't mean we'd lose all of our young players.

I'm not grasping at anything, just saying I'd be happy for us to sign anyone that improves us. I want us to be successful. If that means signing Parker and Ferdinand then fine, if it means signing some unknown youngsters, then fine, if it's players from on the continent, then fine. If it's a mix, that's fine. I don't care who the players are if they improve us.

I could understand some of the attitudes when Distin was linked, or if we did heaven forbid, sign Carlton Cole like people joke, but Rio Ferdinand is still one of the best centre backs in the league! It's laughable that firstly, people are saying they wouldn't want him, I can understand reservations about his fitness, but if he was fit enough, it's a no brainer. Secondly, that some ITK saying Harry wants Rio is somehow a negative thing on Harry. I'm not specifically saying you, though it has seemed like you are anti-Harry, but how is Harry wanting to improve the team a bad thing?

Drogba is still a world class striker and he has a good fitness record, he has struggled this season but that is because of malaria which is a very demanding illness, next season he will be top notch again.

The main reason I don't want Ferdinand is his fitness record over the last 2 seasons and with his age that won't get any better, I don't see a massive case for needing a new CB but if we get one we should get someone at the top of his game who can put in a few years someone like Cahill not a man approaching his mid 30's who has hardly kicked a ball in anger the last 2 years.

sunnydelight786 · May 21, 2011

LukaMotion said:
Pique?

No way was Pique getting infront of the best CB partership in European football, and J.Evans was seen at that time as a better prospect.....

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