Luis Suarez Racism inquiry

sunnydelight786 · Dec 23, 2011

JerryGarcia said:
I just saw that, disgusting people!

For too long these vile ***** have been getting away with various shit and we should just accept it as it's LFC/YNWA/lovable rogues image. Sorry but that is horse shit. If they aint robbing tickets off each other at CL finals, they are filling cups full of shit and lobbing them down at United fans in the tier below or causing mayhem abroad resulting in 39 innocent Juve fans losing their lives hence getting us all a ban. I'm sick to death of them and their self righteous ways. What they really are are a bunch of scum bags who are full on grief junkies!!!:evil:

Spurs_Bear · Dec 23, 2011

It's the media's fault for building Liverpool up as some sort of institution rather than what they are.

Their whole response to this Suarez thing from the statement on their website to the behaviour of Dalglish and the players wearing those t-shirts shows them up to be the disgusting ****s that they really are.

nightgoat · Dec 23, 2011

How long before Liverpool start selling the Suarez t-shirt in their club shop?

Mattspur · Dec 23, 2011

Liverpool seem to forget that the N word is also used in this country and in music, TV and movies to mean "mate" eg "What's up my N..."

Like it or not, it's only a certain type of person who can use this word and it not have racial connotations. Suarez is not that person. It's like one of us calling someone a N and then when we get into trouble saying that you were just calling him mate.

I think the ban should be longer and that Liverpool should also be punnished for effectively saying it's ok to insult people racialy on the pitch.

How many black players do Liverpool have?

Marty · Dec 23, 2011

Mattspur said:
Liverpool seem to forget that the N word is also used in this country and in music, TV and movies to mean "mate" eg "What's up my N..."

Like it or not, it's only a certain type of person who can use this word and it not have racial connotations. Suarez is not that person. It's like one of us calling someone a N and then when we get into trouble saying that you were just calling him mate.

I think the ban should be longer and that Liverpool should also be punnished for effectively saying it's ok to insult people racialy on the pitch.

How many black players do Liverpool have?

Very few compared to the rest of the league actually, off the top of my head I can only think of Glen Johnson...

jimtheyid · Dec 23, 2011

brasil_spur said:
The word Negrito is not a racist word in Uruguay, so despite the fact that he should understand that it may be interpreted that way in the UK and thus shouldn't use it, it's not like he said 'nigger' - which is what most people think the word means. I've given a fuller explanation of this over the last couple of days that you can find a few pages back.

I can tell you for a fact that it doesn't mean nigger. The connotation is completely different, for example the 'ito' bit of the end is using the diminutive form of the word (which happens in most European languages) and is a sign that the word being used is meant to be endearing.

Obviously he's used it in an offensive way, but the point is that in Uruguay the word he used is not a racist word, and frankly given that this word doesn't exist in English, i struggle to see how it could be deemed racist here. Although i do concede that he shouldn't use it and that the punishment he got is ok.

Do you even know what the word Negrito means?

Probably not.

One final point from me, Pele - the finest Brazilian footballer in the world, is a nickname given to him based on the colour of his skin, the name basically translates to 'darky' - so should we all now start calling him Edson Arantes do Nascimento? Next time that someone labels an up and coming player as the next Pele - should we say hang on a minute you can't say that, it's racist?

I dontq give a fllying fuck. Negrito in england has racist connotations.

riggi · Dec 23, 2011

Quite ironic that alot of you are up in arms over this racisim thing, yet a few of you are classing all liverpool fans under one blanket.

KentuckyYid · Dec 23, 2011

Agree with Riggi. Is there really much difference in saying liverpool fans are ****s to saying people from wherever are ****s?

I think if it had been a Tottenham player the club and its fans would support him. It might have been said he's been a silly boy but no intent was meant. It's not like Suarez is a card carrying Klan member like he's being portrayed here by some of you.

peter_the_yid · Dec 23, 2011

I'm all for weakening the opposition so I'm glad he's out for 2 months.
Ultimately though he probably isn't racist and as the guy above said, is it worse than any
other abusive name, racist or not, we all use?
Probably not.

DJS · Dec 23, 2011

riggi said:
Quite ironic that alot of you are up in arms over this racisim thing, yet a few of you are classing all liverpool fans under one blanket.

I am proud to be Liverpool-ist.

JerryGarcia · Dec 23, 2011

KentuckyYid said:
I think if it had been a Tottenham player the club and its fans would support him. It might have been said he's been a silly boy but no intent was meant. It's not like Suarez is a card carrying Klan member like he's being portrayed here by some of you.

I wouldn't. I wouldn't care if it was Rafa, Bale or Modders, there are certain things that aren't acceptable. We're only saying that Suarez is guilty of what he's been charged with, something that he has personally admitted.

Anyway, here's some more hilarity from RAWK...

Ive been thinking for a while that a European Super League was on the cards and it was just a matter of time before it happened. I wonder if anyone at LFC is thinking now might be the time to start the push for it to happen sooner rather than later?

I was always, always against it. But it has to happen now. We have to get our club out of England and away from these morons. It's actually embarrasing.

KentuckyYid · Dec 23, 2011

Right that's it. They can all go fuck off now. Anybody want more European intergration is an enemy in my book. May they forever walk alone the thieving bindipping bastards!!!

Spurger King · Dec 23, 2011

I think our players should wear Evra t-shirts when we play at Anfield.

IamCelestial · Dec 23, 2011

this has been blown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion, I don't see anything bad with what Suarez said. PC at its finest here.

Mullers · Dec 24, 2011

brasil_spur said:
The point is though that in his culture, whilst it being an offensive term it isn't seen as a racist insult, certainly not in the way it is being made out here.

Also whilst i don't want to defend Suarez, he didn't call Evra black, or nigger, or wog, he called him Negrito - and my point is that that word doesn't mean the same thing as those words i've just used.

There is where the distinction is for me - the word he used is from his own language and in his language is not racially offensive in the same way that a similar word is here in the UK.

He was having a go at the guy, but in his mind what he wasn't doing was racially abusing him.

It is irrelavent that the word isn't considered offensive in his own language, the word black in itself isn't considered offensive but can still be used in a racial context. He made reference to Evra's color when he was having a go at him, so obviously he didn't mean it in a friendly sense. Not only that but he said it 10 times! Not once or twice.

Mullers · Dec 24, 2011

KentuckyYid said:
Agree with Riggi. Is there really much difference in saying liverpool fans are ****s to saying people from wherever are ****s?

I think if it had been a Tottenham player the club and its fans would support him. It might have been said he's been a silly boy but no intent was meant. It's not like Suarez is a card carrying Klan member like he's being portrayed here by some of you.

Not me, I would be ashamed to call myself a spurs fan, if the supporters and the club had acting in the same way that Liverpool have done. The way the club and fans have conducted themselves is very disappointing.

Mullers · Dec 24, 2011

Now there is some fella on radio 5 blaming Evra for provoking a racist response out of Suarez.v :roll:

Tryph · Dec 24, 2011

IamCelestial said:
this has been blown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion, I don't see anything bad with what Suarez said. PC at its finest here.

I don't know if you are being purposely antagonistic, so I am going to paste an email I wrote to my Liverpool mate who said the same thing as you did. And if you have an appropriate response, I'd be happy to hear it.

I have Pakistani friends. And I call them, as a term of endearment, pakis. The term Paki is a term of endearment (watch Only Fools and Horses during the 80s). However, as we all know, the term is also used as a racial slur.

Now, let's say I am Suarez and Evra is Pakistani. It is a heated derby. He gets angry at me kicking him and I say "come on Paki, get over it".

So I have two questions for you:

1. In the above analogy, does Evra - a person I don't know outside of this match - have a right to be upset and why it can be construed as racial abuse?
2. Can I really use the "term of endearment", "but I have Pakistani friends" and "his mates call him a paki" excuse as a defense? REALLY?!?!

If we cannot agree on these two questions, we are just going to have to agree to disagree and end the debate there.

Now how is the above analogy different from the actual negrito situation in any way shape or form? If Suarez doesn't understand this then he should not be banned for 8 games. He should be banned from having children as no one that stupid should be allowed to procreate and inflict children with that same level of intelligence on the human race.

What is more disappointing is Liverpool's reaction. Again, using the above analogy, they could have said that while Luis Suarez is clearly not a racist we understand that Luis made a mistake because using this term on the football pitch should not be permitted no matter how innocently it was intended. That, in my opinion would hold more weight in reducing the ban. But no, by digging their heels in they have not only looked petty and childish but they are taking a stand against kicking racism out of football, and the club should be heavily punished for that.

Marty · Dec 24, 2011

Tryph said:
I don't know if you are being purposely antagonistic, so I am going to paste an email I wrote to my Liverpool mate who said the same thing as you did. And if you have an appropriate response, I'd be happy to hear it.

I have Pakistani friends. And I call them, as a term of endearment, pakis. The term Paki is a term of endearment (watch Only Fools and Horses during the 80s). However, as we all know, the term is also used as a racial slur.

Now, let's say I am Suarez and Evra is Pakistani. It is a heated derby. He gets angry at me kicking him and I say "come on Paki, get over it".

So I have two questions for you:

1. In the above analogy, does Evra - a person I don't know outside of this match - have a right to be upset and why it can be construed as racial abuse?
2. Can I really use the "term of endearment", "but I have Pakistani friends" and "his mates call him a paki" excuse as a defense? REALLY?!?!

If we cannot agree on these two questions, we are just going to have to agree to disagree and end the debate there.

Now how is the above analogy different from the actual negrito situation in any way shape or form? If Suarez doesn't understand this then he should not be banned for 8 games. He should be banned from having children as no one that stupid should be allowed to procreate and inflict children with that same level of intelligence on the human race.

What is more disappointing is Liverpool's reaction. Again, using the above analogy, they could have said that while Luis Suarez is clearly not a racist we understand that Luis made a mistake because using this term on the football pitch should not be permitted no matter how innocently it was intended. That, in my opinion would hold more weight in reducing the ban. But no, by digging their heels in they have not only looked petty and childish but they are taking a stand against kicking racism out of football, and the club should be heavily punished for that.

QFT. Excellent post.

brasil_spur · Dec 24, 2011

jimtheyid said:
I dontq give a fllying fuck. Negrito in england has racist connotations.

But YOU don't even know what the word means and i bet had never even heard of the word until last week.

How can a word have racist connotations if it doesn't exist in that language - people like you have no clue what you're on about and instead of a rational discussion you whip out the race card instantly.

Mullers said:
It is irrelavent that the word isn't considered offensive in his own language, the word black in itself isn't considered offensive but can still be used in a racial context. He made reference to Evra's color when he was having a go at him, so obviously he didn't mean it in a friendly sense. Not only that but he said it 10 times! Not once or twice.

How the flying fuck in all that is holy can the word 'black' be used as a racist insult, you're describing the colour of someone's skin. :bang:

Yes you could call someone a black ****, but then the black bit isn't the offensive bit.

Frankly any word you chose to take in the English language (and Spanish apparantly now :roll

can be put into a racist context.

:bang:

Really it amazes me how some of you guys don't get the point at all, and you think Suarez is the narrow minded one? !

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