The Daily ITK Discussion thread January 16th 2012

StartingPrice · Jan 17, 2012

Gilzeanking said:
In connection with SPs comment , I thought it interesting that Cahill who was reportedly asking for 120 Gs went down to reportedly 80 Gs at Chelsea .

Is this the first sign that the tide has turned for the massive wages ?

There was the that, the fact that they absolutely wouldn't do what was necessary to get Modric even though a blind cricket fan could see that he was exactly what they needed, and Mancini wingeing to the press that he has to sell before he buys in order to comply as the Sheikh hsa to be careful what money he hands over from now on.

vonn · Jan 17, 2012

Cloud_Nine said:
Don't get carried away with Ancelotti naming the strikers he's been offered. He is a massive wind up merchant and after naming the strikers he had a cheeky little grin. He was pulling the interviewers legs.

The fact he mentioned Pav means it must have been a joke. Talk about odd one out!

Paolo10 · Jan 17, 2012

It's the stalling that is beginning to grate, the last windows in memory have had PLENTY of itk and little in the way of follow through and certainly little spent.

Look at our most recent transfers after our qualification for the CL:

Sandro (£8m-ish = Relatively cheap with a club we're linked with)
Gallas (free)
Pletikosa (loan)
VdV (£8m - done last minute...on the cheap)
Khumalo (£1.5m from a club we're linked with)
Pienaar (£3m, on the cheap, running out of contract)
Friedel (free)
Adebayor done last minute (and only a loan, in an area we have crucially need upgraded permanently since Berbatov left)
Parker (£5.5m...last minute, which left us weak at CM in two massive games)

We outlayed a bit on Sandro which now looks a bargain, we could sell him for more than double that.

Add into the equation, CL money, higher profile of the club and now our first potential challenge for the league and you have to wonder why we haven't been more active.

You could factor in sales of players as well and there should be a fair bit of money in the coffers. Well, only a couple of weeks left to make that statement we heard so much about.

Any bets on deadline day yet a-fucking-gain?

spurslenny · Jan 17, 2012

PT said:
Which they won't, or can't - the process of enforcing will be a legal minefield and all the big clubs which it would most affect know this.

That's fine, but apparently it was the owners of the super clubs (Real, Chelsea, Bayern, Barca) that were the ones that cajoled UEFA into drawing up the FFP regs in the first place iirc.

Without really having any in depth knowledge of the FFP regs, if the above is true, then surely some sort of agreement would be made where no legal proceedings would be enforced if a club contravened the FFP?

Mr Pink · Jan 17, 2012

Paolo10 said:
It's the stalling that is beginning to grate, the last windows in memory have had PLENTY of itk and little in the way of follow through and certainly little spent.

Look at our most recent transfers after our qualification for the CL:

Sandro (£8m-ish = Relatively cheap with a club we're linked with)
Gallas (free)
Pletikosa (loan)
VdV (£8m - done last minute...on the cheap)
Khumalo (£1.5m from a club we're linked with)
Pienaar (£3m, on the cheap, running out of contract)
Friedel (free)
Adebayor done last minute (and only a loan, in an area we have crucially need upgraded permanently since Berbatov left)
Parker (£5.5m...last minute, which left us weak at CM in two massive games)

We outlayed a bit on Sandro which now looks a bargain, we could sell him for more than double that.

Add into the equation, CL money, higher profile of the club and now our first potential challenge for the league and you have to wonder why we haven't been more active.

You could factor in sales of players as well and there should be a fair bit of money in the coffers. Well, only a couple of weeks left to make that statement we heard so much about.

Any bets on deadline day yet a-fucking-gain?

There is you're first mistake right there. Attributing blame to a process we know nothing about, and presuming that at least some ITK should lead to deals coming to fruition.

vonn · Jan 17, 2012

SpursTillIDie1882 said:
Cavani .... yes please!!!!! Do it LEVY!!!! DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

mg:

I'm sure your response was a jokey one, but for anyone else, we have zero chance of getting Cavani, or Hazard for that matter. Just not going to happen. I know we all like to dream a little but come on.

I think we have to accept that at the moment we are in a third tier of clubs players would like to join behind the giants (Man U, Barca, Madrid, Milan) and the new money (Man C, Chelsea, PSG).

Said the last window and the one before that but surely we should be scouting the next level down players. I'm sure there are plenty of diamonds out there.

Paolo10 · Jan 17, 2012

When there's enough ITK from respected people there's no smoke without fire.

Unless of course it's a big conspiracy theory of misinformation going on.

Mr Pink · Jan 17, 2012

Paolo10 said:
When there's enough ITK from respected people there's no smoke without fire.

Unless of course it's a big conspiracy theory of misinformation going on.

Might be the case a lot of the time, but equally it means that information posted may be accurate at that precise point in the chain of events but a later obstacle scuppers the deal which then looks like the info posted wasn't accurate....which of course, a lot of the time is not the case in all probability.

pablo73 · Jan 17, 2012

jamefms said:
Fellow yids please watch this video I made I have a feeling you will like it coys... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZnMRLqILRI

very amusing

Paolo10 · Jan 17, 2012

If that information is correct at that time it means we were actively looking players.

Great results then.

Mr Pink · Jan 17, 2012

Paolo10 said:
If that information is correct at that time it means we were actively looking players.

Great results then.

Big difference between looking and completing a deal for somebody, you could probably fit Africa between the two.

Lilbaz · Jan 17, 2012

Mr Pink said:
Might be the case a lot of the time, but equally it means that information posted may be accurate at that precise point in the chain of events but a later obstacle scuppers the deal which then looks like the info posted wasn't accurate....which of course, a lot of the time is not the case in all probability.

Unless you are getting the info from the Board or Harry it is all second/third/4th hand rumours.

Paolo10 · Jan 17, 2012

Unless we are looking at bring these kind of players in we will eventually falter.

For instance how long now has the Leandro talk went on?

You'd negotiate less if you were fucking selling your children.

Bobbins · Jan 17, 2012

I've always assumed that the CL money we got (around £35m altogether when expenses are taken into account) went straight into the kitty for the new stadium - it's a significant chunk of cash which could make a real difference, but it isn't a revenue stream so was never going to be spent on wages which would be unsustainable and not even very likely to be spent on players, who would only bring more wage demands, and end up with us not being able to comply with FFP rules.

I'm sure our CL adventure will result in steel and concrete rather than players and wages. I'm also convinced that any further CL appearances we make will be used for much the same purpose (if we qualified every season we could pay the cost of the stadium in ten years assuming we qualified from the group stage each time and given the increased prize fund for finishing in the top 4 of the PL) until we actually build the new stadium.

We could be, and probably are, looking at 4-6 years before we are paying the kind of wages people want to pay, and competing for the kinds of players people want us to compete for.

I'm pretty sure Levy has factored all this in and hence the restraint on transfers these days. We're actually very well set up for the next ten years or so as a club, providing we do go ahead and invest in a new stadium.

brasil_spur · Jan 17, 2012

Bobbins said:
I've always assumed that the CL money we got (around £35m altogether when expenses are taken into account) went straight into the kitty for the new stadium - it's a significant chunk of cash which could make a real difference, but it isn't a revenue stream so was never going to be spent on wages which would be unsustainable and not even very likely to be spent on players, who would only bring more wage demands, and end up with us not being able to comply with FFP rules.

Actually a lot of that money dissapeared in player bonuses for CL and the large wage bill we had that year, i honestly think we'll be not much worse off with this seasons accounts even without the CL revenue due to the lack of CL player bonuses and reduced wage bill.

Mr Pink · Jan 17, 2012

Paolo10 said:
Unless we are looking at bring these kind of players in we will eventually falter.

For instance how long now has the Leandro talk went on?

You'd negotiate less if you were fucking selling your children.

Leandro talk? Do you know for sure what conversations have taken place between Levy and the Inter president/chairman?

Look I get your point but a lot of this is totally based on assumptions, Chineses whispers, lazy journalism and at the end of the day is all completely speculative until you see it on the OS.

Yes we obviously have an interest in Leandro, for example, but we have no way of knowing what stage its at, and if anything is going to be concluded, or when....why get your're knickers in a knot about something when you arn't privy to the process?

pablo73 · Jan 17, 2012

Mr Pink said:
Leandro talk? Do you know for sure what conversations have taken place between Levy and the Inter president/chairman?

Look I get you're point but a lot of this is totally based on assumptions, Chineses whispers, lazy journalism and at the end of the day is all completely speculative until you see it on the OS.

Yes we obviously have an interest in Leandro, for example, but we have no way of knowing what stage its at, and if anything is going to be concluded, or when....why get your're knickers in a knot about something when you arn't privy to the process?

Everything you say is true but if you look at the cold, hard facts we have had six or seven transfer windows since we sold Berbatov and in all that time have managed to bring in one decent striker, on loan. Regardless of whether we know the ins and outs of what has gone on, it's pretty poor.

nailsy · Jan 17, 2012

Wasn't there a post from a well respected source yesterday saying we'd had some positive feedback about Leandro?

phil · Jan 17, 2012

nailsy said:
Wasn't there a post from a well respected source yesterday saying we'd had some positive feedback about Leandro?

JJetset

$hoguN · Jan 17, 2012

pablo73 said:
Everything you say is true but if you look at the cold, hard facts we have had six or seven transfer windows since we sold Berbatov and in all that time have managed to bring in one decent striker, on loan. Regardless of whether we know the ins and outs of what has gone on, it's pretty poor.

How many top quality strikers have moved in the last 7 windows though? Milito was a huge gamble, as was Falcao at the time, Villa joined Barca, Benzema went to Madrid, Torres joined Chelsea, Eto'o went to Anzhi for a King's ransom, and then there are City's clutch of striking talent. If we are truly honest there has been very few top quality strikers on the market and when they have been people have paid far more than we could hope to muster for them.

Maybe people could argue we should have snapped up Rossi, but for the life of me I struggle to think of too many others that have been available.

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