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How has he set us back 5 years?
Why are you calling our own manager deadwood?
Why do you want Capello or Benitez having previously whinged about boring managers?
Anything else?
So, you got what you wanted...
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How has he set us back 5 years?
Why are you calling our own manager deadwood?
Why do you want Capello or Benitez having previously whinged about boring managers?
Anything else?
jimbo
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I think tonight suggests that the rot may not have been AVB, or at least not exclusively. We were as bad tonight as we were at our worst this season.
AVB has gone, we have to move on, but I can understand some people beginning to ask bigger questions, particularly about the running of the club.
barry
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In reality it wasn't really 442, Ade was basically playing a free roll, and fucking good he was too, but if it helps you to blame a man with 2 days training with the squad after what was largely an OK performance with a poor defensive plan against long balls, due in part to players who weren't match fit (Rose, Ade) being taken off early, so be it. Go mad.
dvdhopeful
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If AVB had made those substitutions tonight people would have been scathing. I'm not pro-AVB nor anti-Sherwood, but everybody should at least be critiqued with the same criteria.
What did us was, as you said, pathetic defending and also being generally shit in front of goal, but neither of those things are exclusively the managers doings.
Rout-Ledge
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Assertion from who? Who are you even talking about?
Our football under AVB was appalling to watch, genuinely appalling, but we were getting results and doing well in the league. Then results started to turn and the football didn't get any better.
We lost 3-0 to West ham at home, not something I can even begin to imagine any of the other top sides doing. We got absolutely pummelled by City, worse than they've pummelled any other side since the money came in. And they've delivered some massive thrashings. None as massive as the one we got though. Losing 5-0 to Liverpool at home. The worst home defeat in 16 years.
The one thing we were proud of following the tedious season opening was our cracking defensive record, but that utterly fell to shit in the most embarrassing way imaginable.
I'm not saying it's all AVB's fault. It clearly wasn't. But something needed to be done because things were going terribly, awfully wrong.
I don't think changing the manager will be a miracle solution to our problems, because Levy loves to meddle and has too many voices buzzing around him to achieve clear and effective strategy.
But seriously: our football under AVB was fucking terrible and always had been. Watching Spurs bored me to fucking tears and it's supposed to fun isn't it? Remember that. It's hardly a surprise people were getting fed up with it all.
kaz Hirai
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Bullshit...bullshit!
It's an old excuse based on the last 10 league games of the season only
nedley
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WINNER.
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It was clear that even against a crap team it wasn't getting us anywhere.
The wingers did nothing, there was no link between midfield and attack and a better team would have walked through our midfield.
Yes defensive problems ultimately caused the goals but 4-4-2 doesn't and will never work. If it's what Sherwood plans to do then we're screwed. But at the moment that's still an if.
PeeEyeEmPee
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at some point, blame is going to have to be directed at the players. too many of them are simply not doing their job
formations aren't inherently attacking or defensive either. the idea that 4-4-2 is more attacking than 4-2-3-1 is fallacious
formations aren't inherently attacking or defensive either. the idea that 4-4-2 is more attacking than 4-2-3-1 is fallacious
matthew.absurdum
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If we burn down WHL, how about the turfies? 
jimbo
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Did you watch us at Cardiff away? What about at Old Trafford last season? We had some good games under AVB, and some good results. That doesn't mean he should have stayed, but he wasn't a total lame duck either and to make him out as useless from start to finish is revisionist history.
What we've got now, in my opinion, is worse than what we had. So we need a new manager quickly, and we need to move on.
mpickard2087
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I think Rose and Adebayor were planned subs, the Townsend injury threw a spanner in the works. You could argue, and I would like to have seen, Eriksen instead of either Chadli or Holtby but neither were outrageously bad.
npr60
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Om dog - The levels of hysteria in here are frankly laughable.What are you going to do, threaten to bitch endlessly if we don't win and withdraw your valuable f-in wisdom and support for the team - grow a pair!
Stevie_ni2003
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The football was shit last year.
Time and time again we struggled to break teams down and time and time again bale scored a wonder goal.
KingKay
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Not part of theexcellenttriffic core British group
Almost sounds like Redknapp mark 2 ... wait a minute!
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Marcus_spur
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slow?
Whichever of these might be the reason, you are firing off strawmen with startling imprecision here.
1) Noone claimed AVB was the only problem.
2) Everyone agreed that players needed bedding in, the team needed gelling.
3) Poor defending, yes. WOuld´ve been even worse with a high line (As we saw last time 0-3)
4) Doesn´t make sense.
5) I believe you are now contributing more to turning "he fanbase into a seething cesspool of negativity, disunity and resentment" than practically any other person on here.
No need to get smutty.
CowInAComa
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I certainly enjoyed the first hour very much. And we didnt lose by 3. (Or 5. Or 6.)
So it was well worth it. Tangible improvement. Upward trends.
Looking forward to Southampton.
