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You rally think Moutinho is anywhere near Modric's standard?? Dream on, look where he is playing for a start.
Maybe not, but he's a damn sight closer to Modric's level of creativity than Dribbele.
You rally think Moutinho is anywhere near Modric's standard?? Dream on, look where he is playing for a start.
And that is precisely the point - that AVB was judged before he took the reins. That refusal - outright, petty, unreasoned, child-tantrum level refusal - is at least partly to blame for our current predicament.
My esteem to those who actually picked up the point - that during AVB's tenure, as a group we felt it more important to rail against the coach, to sow negativity and discord among the fans than to get behind the man.
And my pity for those of you who STILL. DON'T. GET. IT.
That for all your harping, all your complaining, all your booing, all your hatred, all your mindless armchair management opinions which are backed up with not one joy of actual, professional, experience, we're still in the shit.
You're all so keen to blame someone else - AVB, 'Arry, Adebayor, Levy... Don't you bear some of the fucking responsibility? When do you stand and get counted? When do you learn that all the shit you've been pouring out for the last 16 months has contributed to this miasmic shitstorm we're in right now? And that next time, instead of getting on the manager's back just cause he's not YOUR first choice, you actually support him - even if you think he's not the right man.
Pull your heads out of the sand, get behind the club (and for those who say 'I support the club, not the manager' - the manager is PART of the club, morons!) and stop grinding axes.
We cannot continue like this - it has to stop! I stopped posting on SC because I got tired of the constant sniping, the constant attacks on the manager, the players, the chairman. Not once did I see any of the snipers turn around and say, 'you know what? I bear some of the responsibility for this.'
No, no, no. It was always, 'I pay my money, I have a right to boo', or 'I can criticise all I want - I've been to the Lane 4 billion times'.
Guys, it has to stop. We are damaging ourselves and our club. I know I've gone on a bit of a screed-fest here, but I was trying to make a point, and I apologise for the fury and the ire. Whatever happens next, we have to come back together. We need to celebrate our commonality - our love for our club.
Regardless of income, colour, religion or gender, we are all the same in this one thing.
Please, for the love you have for your club, can we come back together? Can we stop the negativity, can we stop the sniping?
Whatever happens next, let's face it together - without having battle lines drawn. And that applies to all of us - we've all been guilty of vitriol and acting resentfully.
The time to stop is now.
I'm not going to stand up and say that things were perfect with AVB - there were problems, but there were factors that mitigated the problems and also I don't think his removal and the appointment of someone else would solve them.IMO more people were against the. Harry appointment than AVBs? AVBs performances and lack of improvement is why people weren't happy IMO.
So you're telling me that all would be fucking rosy if Levy had signed AVB Moutinho?Firstly, what does the Redknapp quote have to do with what I'm saying? Secondly, certain players aren't up to scratch. I asked people's opinions on Townsend, I don't think he's good enough and doubt he'll make it here. Same as Dawson, Dembele and Naughton. I don't think I'm something special. I have players I don't like too. But the point I'm making isn't about that, it's about the constant merry go round of managers. Because Dembele or Dawson are under performing I don't want the manager sacked. I'd rather he was given time to shape his team, replace the players who aren't up to it with players who could well be. Sacking the manager constantly because players are underperforming will get us absolutely nowhere. And it's the fans and power obsessed levy who I hold responsible for that. Daniel Levy doesn't need much persuading to sack a boss and set us back again so booing like fuck at the first signs of trouble is going to hound the boss out and it did. Levy has way too much say in what goes on he's the most well known chairman around. Whys that? Because he's sacking managers every five minutes and getting involved with the football side of things way too much. All AVB wanted from Levy was Moutinho. Every knows that and because It didn't make sense for Levy we didn't get him. What a fucking player he is and is exactly what we need. Instead we've got AVB sacked a whole bunch of players we are not even sure AVB wanted, a team in disarray and results to match. Let's all fucking boo Sherwood now he hasn't sorted out this great big mess and it's been what 72 hours. Bring back Harry then sack him for Jol and then hopefully we'll sack him too get 2 new directors of football and seven different managers and maybe then we'll start playing like Arsenal. Boooooo
This. Fucking this. I can take all the snide comments all night but until people start realising this we'll never be anything more than small fish with a new manager every five minutes.I'm not going to stand up and say that things were perfect with AVB - there were problems, but there were factors that mitigated the problems and also I don't think his removal and the appointment of someone else would solve them.
But that isn't really the area I'm focusing on. Tonight really brought it home. I was out for dinner with my work colleagues and my boss (who supports Norwich) and I were chatting about football and about the match while it was going on. When we went 2-1 down, I overheard a guy a couple of tables along say, 'we're 2-1 down against the Spammers' to his mate. They were Spurs fans. Whereas before, I would have gone over and chatted - it's always nice (or at least it used to be nice) to meet a fellow Spurs fan - I held back. Because I didn't know what type they were - anti-AVB, pro-AVB, anti-this, pro-that.
We've become splintered and bitter. There seems to be no joy in our support of the club - only resentment and criticism. And this has an effect - it reduces us. It impacts on players, on the coaching staff, on the chairman.
Let's say we had a manager who was getting a string of bad results and yet the fans sang for him every game. Wouldn't Levy at least pause before he pulled the trigger. And so we need to decide which is better - for us to pour our scorn on someone because we think he's doing a bad job, or to give someone, whoever it happens to be, a chance at consistency, a chance to build something slowly. If we do that, then others in the club may do the same and we may then reap bigger and better rewards than we have so far. There are no guarantees - it may not work. But sacking manager after manager, getting on the back of manager after manager hasn't worked. Why not give a new approach a try?
I can guarantee you one thing, though - hard times or good times, winning or losing, top of the table or in the relegation zone, as a fanbase we can contribute more by being united than by being so partisan. Likewise, being supportive will bear more fruit than sniping all the live-long day.
IMO more people were against the Harry appointment than AVBs? AVBs performances and lack of improvement is why people weren't happy IMO.
fancy that the manager wanting things done his way. He's the fucking manager that's the very least he should get. Every other successful manager gets successful by doing things his way not by pandering to an over involved chairmanSo you're telling me that all would be fucking rosy if Levy had signed AVB Moutinho?
Sounds to me like AVB was rigid and wanted everything his way.
He should have grown up and adapted to work with the squad he had.
Jesus Christ what a terrible contributor you have been.Harry - is that you? Can we have our Carroll back please!
I'm not going to stand up and say that things were perfect with AVB - there were problems, but there were factors that mitigated the problems and also I don't think his removal and the appointment of someone else would solve them.
But that isn't really the area I'm focusing on. Tonight really brought it home. I was out for dinner with my work colleagues and my boss (who supports Norwich) and I were chatting about football and about the match while it was going on. When we went 2-1 down, I overheard a guy a couple of tables along say, 'we're 2-1 down against the Spammers' to his mate. They were Spurs fans. Whereas before, I would have gone over and chatted - it's always nice (or at least it used to be nice) to meet a fellow Spurs fan - I held back. Because I didn't know what type they were - anti-AVB, pro-AVB, anti-this, pro-that.
We've become splintered and bitter. There seems to be no joy in our support of the club - only resentment and criticism. And this has an effect - it reduces us. It impacts on players, on the coaching staff, on the chairman.
Let's say we had a manager who was getting a string of bad results and yet the fans sang for him every game. Wouldn't Levy at least pause before he pulled the trigger. And so we need to decide which is better - for us to pour our scorn on someone because we think he's doing a bad job, or to give someone, whoever it happens to be, a chance at consistency, a chance to build something slowly. If we do that, then others in the club may do the same and we may then reap bigger and better rewards than we have so far. There are no guarantees - it may not work. But sacking manager after manager, getting on the back of manager after manager hasn't worked. Why not give a new approach a try?
I can guarantee you one thing, though - hard times or good times, winning or losing, top of the table or in the relegation zone, as a fanbase we can contribute more by being united than by being so partisan. Likewise, being supportive will bear more fruit than sniping all the live-long day.
No, what I did was pour scorn on people saying that was a better performance than what had gone before. Why don't you go and revisit what I wrote during AVB's early games, or for that matter Sunday's.
Or you could read one of the posts I've made saying I was happy for Sherwood to given a go if no better options were found.
I open mindedly think that some stupid decisions were made tonight and we paid the price in game that became a mess. That is me open mindedly calling it as I saw it. If next game he makes good choices, we play with some degree of control and the performance is better, I'll say that too. And no doubt, you'll disagree.
Harry - is that you? Can we have our Carroll back please!
West Ham beat us 3-0 last time did they? Sorry, peeps that won't sodding well wash!
The assertion was always that the bad results were AVB's fault ONLY.
OK. He's gone. Finito. Done with. So what's the excuse this time?
Maybe we have a load of payers who need to bed in? Nope - that didn't excuse AVB.
Maybe it's that high line that leaves us exposed at the back. Why did we lose again tonight? Wasn't it our defence?
Or perhaps we've got injuries? Such a shame that all out injuries happened since Monday. Wait a moment!
Or the line striker? Yeah we scored a shedload tonight, didn't we?
Now, the haters have got everything they wanted. Having turned the fanbase into a seething cesspool of negativity, disunity and resentment, this is the fucking result!
Excellent work! You just be really fucking proud!
Jesus Christ what a terrible contributor you have been.
Do you actually have an opinion though or are you just here to try and come across as a funny guy?Well i agree and i apologise, i don't know what i was thinking! The quality of debate up here is of such a high standard! I feel I let my self down, you down, the club and SC........ goes and sits on the naughty step.......
Do you actually have an opinion though or are you just here to try and come across as a funny guy?
Getting rid of AVB is the biggest fucking mistake we've made in ages. The sad thing is it's a mistake we've made over and over for my whole life.
I'm so fucking sick of Tottenham Hotspur right now, there's only so long I can defend them. They just let me down over and over again.