Andre Villas-Boas

Gbspurs · Apr 19, 2014

nightgoat said:
Only in two games, really. One of which was when the defence was Walker, Dawson, Capoue and Naughton. And even then we only conceded two before we were down to ten men. The other was at Man City, who also put six past Arsenal. At the time I seem to remember Arsenal had one of, if not the best defence in the league.

Funny how history rewrites itself isn't it! Last season we improved massively after Christmas. Much of this was placed at Bales door but who's to say that AVB the sort of manager who gets better as the season goes on like Martinez or Moyes before him?

I was disappointed with how we were performing but I didn't think at the time sacking AVB was the right call, and nothing I have seen since has made me change my mind.

I think you can forgive any manager some ropey form following on from selling our best player, bring 7 inexperienced foreign players in and dealing with injuries.

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

0-Tibsy-0 said:
Oh, @FinnYid I thought this would make your day, the reigniting of an AVB thread that you can pour obsessions over

My obsession is with THFC and that snake was worst thing that has happened to Spurs in ages.

Ribble · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
So leaking 3 against Spammers at home was ok whereas leaking 3 at WBA away is catastrophe?

But yeah, erase all the shit results and performances (there is some work to do) and AVB might actually look good.

Conceding 3 goals from open play against a side who has struggled to score all season, one of which was within a minute of kick-off, is rank amateur and speaks volumes in terms of lack of concentration and preparedness. Conceding 3 against a counterattacking side who have taken the lead due to a set-piece is a consequence of taking more risks whilst attempting to even things up.

nightgoat · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
So leaking 3 against Spammers at home was ok whereas leaking 3 at WBA away is catastrophe?

But yeah, erase all the shit results and performances (there is some work to do) and AVB might actually look good.

If you can't see the difference between those two games then I'm afraid no one can help you.

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

nightgoat said:
If you can't see the difference between those two games then I'm afraid no one can help you.

Of course I can see, other was away game where we drew 3-3, other was home game we lost 0-3. Away draw vs. home loss, sure I see the difference even with 3 conceded on both. But supposedly according you in other we had no problems defensively whereas in other we had. Key difference probably was that Spammers could have scored more (shots 16 to 14 to spammers whereas it was 20 to 6 against WBA).

nightgoat · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
Of course I can see, other was away game where we drew 3-3, other was home game we lost 0-3. Away draw vs. home loss, sure I see the difference even with 3 conceded on both. But supposedly according you in other we had no problems defensively whereas in other we had. Key difference probably was that Spammers could have scored more (shots 16 to 14 to spammers whereas it was 20 to 6 against WBA).

Yeah, that confirms it. You've never watched a Spurs home game against a bottom half team in the last ten years.

antti19 · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
Terrible decision was to hire him at the first place, perhaps worst in the whole PL era of Spurs. He took over a side that finished in the top 4 and left it in the shambles we are now, you can go on who he lost this player and that player, but that mastermind also too Chelsea that finished 2nd to 5th by time of his sacking. 5th, with resources of Chelsea. And had them play pointwise worse than malinged Tim is managing Spurs now. How fucking poor is that?

Oh my God. We´ve seen Gross, Hoddle, Ramos and Graham before that. Worst than them? What are you drinking mate...

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

antti19 said:
Oh my God. We´ve seen Gross, Hoddle, Ramos and Graham before that. Worst than them? What are you drinking mate...

They were all appointments made when we were tripe and they held us tripe. Whereas AVB was appointed when we were close to challenging having finished on top 4 2 out of 3 past seasons. AVB managed to turn that side as tripe as our resources allowed, 7th on the table, unable to score, being the dullest team on PL. Terrible, terrible appointment.

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

nightgoat said:
Yeah, that confirms it. You've never watched a Spurs home game against a bottom half team in the last ten years.

I reckon I've seen 98% of those - seems to me we don't generally concede 3 at home against bottom half team, but guess it's just ok to you (unlike conceding 3 away).

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

nightgoat said:
Yeah, that confirms it. You've never watched a Spurs home game against a bottom half team in the last ten years.

Now you must be ecstatic, we played bottom half team on home and merely conceded one.

hodsgod · Apr 19, 2014

Gbspurs said:
Funny how history rewrites itself isn't it! Last season we improved massively after Christmas. Much of this was placed at Bales door but who's to say that AVB the sort of manager who gets better as the season goes on like Martinez or Moyes before him?

I was disappointed with how we were performing but I didn't think at the time sacking AVB was the right call, and nothing I have seen since has made me change my mind.

I think you can forgive any manager some ropey form following on from selling our best player, bring 7 inexperienced foreign players in and dealing with injuries.

Our results improved after xmas, our performances towards the end of the season were poor, we struggled badly to break teams down, and the very last game is the perfect example. It was Bale that won the points. We carried on this season like the end of last, couldn't break teams down, only this season we didn't have Bale

absolute bobbins · Apr 19, 2014

antti19 said:
Oh my God. We´ve seen Gross, Hoddle, Ramos and Graham before that. Worst than them? What are you drinking mate...

Said it before, I'll say it again. He's jealous AVB, a Portuguese public schoolboy who is better looking, cleverer, wealthier and has a job that he loves and dear old Finny would kill for

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

Gbspurs said:
Funny how history rewrites itself isn't it! Last season we improved massively after Christmas. Much of this was placed at Bales door but who's to say that AVB the sort of manager who gets better as the season goes on like Martinez or Moyes before him?

Last season after first 16:

19 games, 39 points -> now with Tim after first 16 games, 19 games, 36 points. So we've improved just bit less pointwise and that's without Gareth Bale.

AVB was a charlatan.

nightgoat · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
I reckon I've seen 98% of those - seems to me we don't generally concede 3 at home against bottom half team, but guess it's just ok to you (unlike conceding 3 away).

Ok, fine, I'll spell it out for you.

West Ham set up to defend for a point, and maybe get something from a set piece or on the break. We've ALWAYS struggled to play at home against teams like that. They scored from a set piece after an hour. We committed more players forward. They scored a flukey second which rebounded back off Vaz Te into the goal. We committed more players forward. Morrison scored a superb individual breakaway goal. This was with ten minutes left. Don't forget that before that game we'd only conceded two goals all season, one each to Arsenal and Chelsea. What a shit defence we had.

Against West Brom we were 2-0 down after four minutes. 3-0 down after 31.

Yes, these two situations are exactly the same.

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

absolute bobbins said:
Said it before, I'll say it again. He's jealous AVB, a Portuguese public schoolboy who is better looking, cleverer, wealthier and has a job that he loves and dear old Finny would kill for

Yeah, that's probably it. What I wouldn't do to be object of homoerotic adoration of altarboys.

Has his cleverness reached immense proportions?

nidge · Apr 19, 2014

Why the fuck are you all still arguing over a head coach that has been sacked/left? Move on.

absolute bobbins · Apr 19, 2014

FinnYid said:
Yeah, that's probably it. What I wouldn't do to be object of homoerotic adoration of altarboys.

Has his cleverness reached immense proportions?

Well I don't actually know what an altar boy is but I do know that it's good that you're finally willing to be honest to yourself and us about your AVB motivations

absolute bobbins · Apr 19, 2014

nidge said:
Why the fuck are you all still arguing over a head coach that has been sacked/left? Move on.

We're Spurs, it's what we do

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

nightgoat said:
Ok, fine, I'll spell it out for you.

West Ham set up to defend for a point, and maybe get something from a set piece or on the break. We've ALWAYS struggled to play at home against teams like that. They scored from a set piece after an hour. We committed more players forward. They scored a flukey second which rebounded back off Vaz Te into the goal. We committed more players forward. Morrison scored a superb individual breakaway goal.

Yep, flukey are condemnable pending on who is the manager, right? Or superb individual efforts?

nightgoat said:
What a shit defence we had.

Well, it was magnificent compared to attack which was bloody worst in the league. Luckily few lucky pen calls and we managed to score on par with 19th Fulham. As for that superb and solid defence, 1,3125 goals conceded per game -> it's 1,4736 under Sherwood now. So yeah, it's gotten slightly worse -> now attackingwise we had 0,9375 goals per game (yeah, that's with those lucky pens - abysmal), now we have 1,8947. We've more than doubled our goals scored average. And that's with the mess we are, just how bad was AVB?

nightgoat said:
Against West Brom we were 2-0 down after four minutes. 3-0 down after 31.

Yes, these two situations are exactly the same.

No they aren't, in other we got away point against bottom half team, in other we failed to score and got 0 at home against bottom half team.

FinnYid · Apr 19, 2014

absolute bobbins said:
Well I don't actually know what an altar boy is but I do know that it's good that you're finally willing to be honest to yourself and us about your AVB motivations

What about your motivations regarding Tim. I mean he is delivering better results, so your stance must have similiar motives, right? So in analogy Tim is better looking than you, more clever than you, wealthier than you and has a job that he loves and thus your attitude towards him, right?

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