A Positive Danny Rose Post
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Flobadob
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There's probably no point in saying what the signs are to you because you seem to have a very closed mind on the matter anyway. If you can show you have an open mind then maybe I might bother but I'm not going to waste my time as it stands.
I've got an extensive background in football so I will always respect the managers decisions and points of view at the end of the day, even if I disagree, because the chances are they'd know better than me. What I'm saying is I'd take his opinion over yours because you're clearly one of those that's already made their mind up and see what they want to see because of a pre-conceived opinion, when in reality Rose has done well in pre-season and deserves a chance, which the manager has duly given him with a 5 year contract extension. Also, he happens to be the manager of one of the biggest clubs in English football and has shown his ability in recognising talent and making the most of it in the past. If you think I'm in the wrong place because I support the managers opinions then maybe it's you who is in the wrong place? Perhaps you should be managing Tottenham because you clearly know better than Pochetinno, according to you anyway...
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UncleBuck
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Not meaning to sound pedantic but you've spelt Pochettino wrong fella....
Flobadob
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Don't worry, you didn't sound pedantic at all...Not meaning to sound pedantic but you've spelt Pochettino wrong fella....
Here's me ranting about how I support the managers opinions, yet I can't even spell the man's name correctly lolAre you kidding me bud? I have you not seen danny rose play? Hes bottom half PL player. Hes liability and cost us alot of goals last season. I dont care no on can convince me that he isnt shit of a player. I dont blame the players that came in from last summer because there getting used to PL. I will judge those players off this season. Danny rose is garbage i wish we sold him to sunderland when we had the chance.
Your response doesn't have anything to do with the question I asked.
I didn't say anything about Rose in that post, in fact I already said in my first post in this thread that I don't rate him.
Shadydan
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Totally agree.
It's funny how people are so quick to get behind the managers decisions if it supports their opinion yet the moment they disagree with something the manager does they cannot bring themselves to admit that they are questioning the manager. We've got so many experts on SC it actually makes you wonder why most of these people are sitting behind their computer screen scratching their balls and aren't out studying for their coaching badges as we speak, armchair fans
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So, instead of a sensible discussion, the Rose lovers are now sitting around drinking Sherry and staring down their noses at everyone - why have none of you started a post with "Ah, bless" yet?
If you're going to be patronizing and hypocritical then at least make the effort.
Not entirely sure why some feel the need to be such try-hards over defending him - if he's going to "blossom" after so many years of average then you can come back and do the "i told you so" dance, as a group, until then, everyones opinion is valid whether you agree or not.
(ps, i like the fact you're all demanding "proof" and evidence of his shortcomings - like week in, week out at the Lane isn't enough - yet i don't see any "proof" or evidence of his talents to support your own arguments, just opinion. Just sayin...)
If you're going to be patronizing and hypocritical then at least make the effort.
Not entirely sure why some feel the need to be such try-hards over defending him - if he's going to "blossom" after so many years of average then you can come back and do the "i told you so" dance, as a group, until then, everyones opinion is valid whether you agree or not.
(ps, i like the fact you're all demanding "proof" and evidence of his shortcomings - like week in, week out at the Lane isn't enough - yet i don't see any "proof" or evidence of his talents to support your own arguments, just opinion. Just sayin...)
LexingtonSpurs
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I too have a positive post - I am positive I would rather have Davies as first choice LB.
I do think Rose gets to much stick in here, and I don't mind if he gets some games as merited - I just prefer Davies style to Rose's style. I am glad he is part of the LB tandem - much better than last year.
I do think Rose gets to much stick in here, and I don't mind if he gets some games as merited - I just prefer Davies style to Rose's style. I am glad he is part of the LB tandem - much better than last year.
Flobadob
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however I do find it pretty insulting to the manager that people are effectively questioning his judgement on giving a player a FIVE year contract extension. A one or two year extension then fair enough because that would mean there is a certain amount of doubt in the managers mind but when it comes to handing out 5 year deals it's a different matter. I'd imagine every single member of the coaching staff let alone Pochettino would have to be in absolute agreement for that sort of commitment to be made to a player. 'Armchair fans' is a little bit harsh but I definitely think some people need to wise up when it comes to questioning what is likely to be the entire coaching staff's decision to give a player a 5 year deal with a pay rise includedTotally agree.
It's funny how people are so quick to get behind the managers decisions if it supports their opinion yet the moment they disagree with something the manager does they cannot bring themselves to admit that they are questioning the manager. We've got so many experts on SC it actually makes you wonder why most of these people are sitting behind their computer screen scratching their balls and aren't out studying for their coaching badges as we speak, armchair fans
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Well, two things, I don't know how much time Rose had on his existing contract, but I am pretty sure he did not get a 5-year extension to that deal. I think he has a new 5-year contract.
One of the benefits to having a 5-year contract is that player will retain value longer - so that next summer we will probably sell one of Rose or Davies (leaning towards Rose, but open to the idea Davies could be sold). Giving Rose the new deal means we will likely get as much or more next summer as we could right now - depending on how he performs under Pochettino.
I do not think Spurs intend to have Rose and Davies under contract for 5 years each competing for time at LB. So the signing of the new deal, is not necessarily reflective of a commitment to Rose.
Flobadob
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In my opinion, leaving someone on a 5 year contract certainly doesn't reflect that the club are preparing to sell. That's a crazy idea, in my mind because the player can just sit on his arse with his cushty wage packet for the next 5 years if he chooses he doesn't fancy moving elsewhere. A football club, any football club, wouldn't do that in my opinion. I don't see either being sold next season, I think they will compete for another couple of years until we can say with certainty that Rose/Davies aren't good enough, or one of them decides they want to move on.
The way I can see it going is that Rose retains the No.1 spot for as long as he performs well enough to keep it on merit. If Rose gets back to his best (which I believe he is showing signs of doing) then I can see him retaining it for at least another season or two while Davies continues to develop. Davies is almost 3 years younger so he has time on his side so I think Rose will be given as much of a chance as possible to get to his best form because it's not like there's a shortage of game time for both even if one does dominate the No.1 position in the PL.
I don't expect them to be competing for the entirety of their 5 year deals either btw, I do think it is extremely likely to be a commitment to the player from the club though
This is a danny rose thread. Of course there is other players that have been playing below average but im talking about danny shitty rose here. That goal he gave up in the arsenal game still haunts me i was so mad after that i wanted him gone from the team hes legit shit
LexingtonSpurs
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For what its worth, there was ITK suggesting Davies is Pochettino's preferred LB.
I think its good to have both, and they both will get games this season. I don't think either one will want to stay past next summer if they are not the preferred LB. They have both been starting LBs in the league, and I doubt either one wants to spend development time on the bench.
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Hey the irony wasn't lost on me...thought I'd try to lighten the mood!!!!Don't worry, you didn't sound pedantic at all...
Flobadob
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ITK? C'mon, you can't bring that rubbish into a debate. Sorry, but it's worth very little in this debate. How often do these ITK's hit the nail on the head? Very very rarely.
I think there's enough game time for both and I believe Rose will be given the No.1 spot anyway. If that's the case then I doubt Davies would want to leave after 1 season competing for the No.1 spot. It will be competition too because both of them offer different qualities and are of a similar level, whoever you may prefer
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Rose had a year to go on his contract as it was set to run out in 2015, he had originally agreed a contract extension in 2011, this is indeed a brand new 5 year real which will keep him here until 2019. If the club wanted to sell him in the immediate future they would have offered him another extension to his current deal.
Also as @Flobadob said, never in a million years would the club hand out a deal to a player they did not rate because the player could refuse to move and sit on his contract, you'd think the club would learn from the Bentley debacle where he wouldn't move because he was on a high wage, so you'd like to think that they would have thought this through, 5 years is a massive statement of intent from the club. Also if you're going to give the player that long, there needs to be a legitimate market for his services in which the club can guarantee profit. I would understand if it were a player like Eriksen, Lamela or Vertonghen or Lloris who will eventually almost inevitably move on from the club for a high fee however you cannot say the same about Rose.
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Just so we are clear - signing Rose to a 5-year contract means he is clearly first choice, while swapping Sigurdsson for Davies (about a £10M deal) and giving Davies a new 5-year contract clearly means he is second choice to Rose?
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