Tottenham Vs QPR: Match Thread

Also do people remember that pretty big hyped argentina goal in 2006. That was a pathetic 25 pass move compared to our 48. It was an incredible move throughout, and ought to be remembered. Incredible goal.

(To be fair though that Argentina goal was just a sublime move, with purpose and brilliant build up play)

beats1 said:

TBF Sir Les of the Rangers did say he was injured

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I know he did, but the rest of the media seem to forget that fact.

mrlilywhite said:

Thought Chappers and Lennon were impartial, but Les seemed to have his own agenda, and was a bit underhand with his comments.

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Talking of NEil Lennon, I don't know who done his make up before going on MOTD2 last night but he looked like a proper ginger android day walker.

Missed the game live. MOTD2 highlights were nice, but desperately searching' alternative' sources for a full match download but no-one has it yet.

Can't wait for the next game now. Not had a feel-good-factor like this is a long time.

Sarsipius said:

You can't blame Remy for being poor. QPR have simply been outclassed in every respect.

I'd still like a Remy - Lennon squad swap.

On another note can we please have a whip round to pay to send a DVD of this match to AVB?

It's in the interests of the good of football.

Feel sorry to see our old boys getting beat so bad. But we were great. My only disappointment that @thinktank wasn't around for this. He'd still be orgasming.

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I´m pissed out of my head in a hella expensive internet cafe at a campsite on the costa brave (roasting hot weather btw, haha!), I think I may well have ruined the keyboard with my tears at watching the way Lamela has played just in the first half alone.

And contrary to your belief, Sars (that´s what I´m calling you from now on btw ), I would rather not have to say "I told you so", I would much rather be proved wrong in everything I say, every single time if it meant our team was better for it. But for all the bile I - and a couple others - had to endure in trying to get it through to people what poch was about, I am now blissfully rolling around in a HUUUUUGE pile of ´I told you so´ shit, like a decadent pig without a self-satisfaction threshold.

And I deserve it.

And our club/fans deserve poch.

I am now going to order yet another tasty spanish beer and will have to bung yet more euros (will never get used to this shit currency, bring back all original euro currencies ffs; euros are generic, culturerless crap) into the ´internet meter´ to watch the second half...and cry somemore (yes, I am recieving curious glances).

Hope that game has finally changes the polarity of the remaining ´undecided´ and we can all now move forward in full support of our manager/players.

There´s no magic; just hard work, desire, will, determination.

Good times ahead.

COYS.

P.S Off my face and haven´t even put my tent up yet...

thinktank said:

I´m pissed out of my head in a hella expensive internet cafe at a campsite on the costa brave (roasting hot weather btw, haha!), I think I may well have ruined the keyboard with my tears at watching the way Lamela has played just in the first half alone.

And contrary to your belief, Sars (that´s what I´m calling you from now on btw ), I would rather not have to say "I told you so", I would much rather be proved wrong in everything I say, every single time if it meant our team was better for it. But for all the bile I - and a couple others - had to endure in trying to get it through to people what poch was about, I am now blissfully rolling around in a HUUUUUGE pile of ´I told you so´ shit, like a decadent pig without a self-satisfaction threshold.

And I deserve it.

And our club/fans deserve poch.

I am now going to order yet another tasty spanish beer and will have to bung yet more euros (will never get used to this shit currency, bring back all original euro currencies ffs; euros are generic, culturerless crap) into the ´internet meter´ to watch the second half...and cry somemore (yes, I am recieving curious glances).

Hope that game has finally changes the polarity of the remaining ´undecided´ and we can all now move forward in full support of our manager/players.

There´s no magic; just hard work, desire, will, determination.

Good times ahead.

COYS.

P.S Off my face and haven´t even put my tent up yet...

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Way too early to be patting yourself on your back. The signs are certainly positive, but let's see how things progress from here. So far we've played three competitive matches against poor opposition. There will be considerably tougher tests coming up, and quite frankly it's a bit embarrassing to be claiming "I told you so" at this stage.

As with Lamela (a player we've both defended in the past) it's a bit silly to start saying he's proven the doubters wrong after a couple of games. Maybe after a run of consistently good performances your point might be valid, but to break out the self-congratulatory bottle of champagne already is ridiculous.

Spurger King said:

Way too early to be patting yourself on your back. The signs are certainly positive, but let's see how things progress from here. So far we've played three competitive matches against poor opposition. There will be considerably tougher tests coming up, and quite frankly it's a bit embarrassing to be claiming "I told you so" at this stage.

As with Lamela (a player we've both defended in the past) it's a bit silly to start saying he's proven the doubters wrong after a couple of games. Maybe after a run of consistently good performances your point might be valid, but to break out the self-congratulatory bottle of champagne already is ridiculous.

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You keep hanging in there, spurgers.

Spurger King said:

Way too early to be patting yourself on your back. The signs are certainly positive, but let's see how things progress from here. So far we've played three competitive matches against poor opposition. There will be considerably tougher tests coming up, and quite frankly it's a bit embarrassing to be claiming "I told you so" at this stage.

As with Lamela (a player we've both defended in the past) it's a bit silly to start saying he's proven the doubters wrong after a couple of games. Maybe after a run of consistently good performances your point might be valid, but to break out the self-congratulatory bottle of champagne already is ridiculous.

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He has proven the doubters wrong though. People didn't say "he won't be able to put together a string of consistently good performances", people were saying he isn't up to it. A performance like yesterday shows he is.

Gbspurs said:

He has proven the doubters wrong though. People didn't say "he won't be able to put together a string of consistently good performances", people were saying he isn't up to it. A performance like yesterday shows he is.

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Has he? It's simply too early to judge.

I remember AVB's first competitive game in charge away to Newcastle. We looked compact, we pressed better than at any time under Harry, and generally looked very promising (despite the loss). After the first few games of last season there were plenty of people crowing about how good we looked (best defensive record in Europe, etc..).

I thought the performance yesterday was excellent, and gives me some genuine hope that our squad will respond positively to Pochettino's ideas. For a start, it actually looked fun to be playing in that team, for the first time since Harry's days. But it's hardly definitive, given the quality of the opposition.

Regardless of the result against Liverpool, I'm hoping to see a similarly energetic performance against them. If we start playing like that against the teams we're hoping to compete with, we can start to push on.

Spurger King said:

Has he? It's simply too early to judge.

I remember AVB's first competitive game in charge away to Newcastle. We looked compact, we pressed better than at any time under Harry, and generally looked very promising (despite the loss). After the first few games of last season there were plenty of people crowing about how good we looked (best defensive record in Europe, etc..).

I thought the performance yesterday was excellent, and gives me some genuine hope that our squad will respond positively to Pochettino's ideas. For a start, it actually looked fun to be playing in that team, for the first time since Harry's days. But it's hardly definitive, given the quality of the opposition.

Regardless of the result against Liverpool, I'm hoping to see a similarly energetic performance against them. If we start playing like that against the teams we're hoping to compete with, we can start to push on.

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Thing is with AVB is I don't think he was a bad manager for us, just a victim of circumstances. I suspect a lot would have struggled with the sale of Bale and the subsequent replacements not firing. Anyway not really a debate to go over again.

I think with Lamela, whatever happens from here he has shown that he can turn his potential into a match winning performance. Thats the first obstacle he faced and one many thought he would never clear.

thinktank said:

I´m pissed out of my head in a hella expensive internet cafe at a campsite on the costa brave (roasting hot weather btw, haha!), I think I may well have ruined the keyboard with my tears at watching the way Lamela has played just in the first half alone.

And contrary to your belief, Sars (that´s what I´m calling you from now on btw ), I would rather not have to say "I told you so", I would much rather be proved wrong in everything I say, every single time if it meant our team was better for it. But for all the bile I - and a couple others - had to endure in trying to get it through to people what poch was about, I am now blissfully rolling around in a HUUUUUGE pile of ´I told you so´ shit, like a decadent pig without a self-satisfaction threshold.

And I deserve it.

And our club/fans deserve poch.

I am now going to order yet another tasty spanish beer and will have to bung yet more euros (will never get used to this shit currency, bring back all original euro currencies ffs; euros are generic, culturerless crap) into the ´internet meter´ to watch the second half...and cry somemore (yes, I am recieving curious glances).

Hope that game has finally changes the polarity of the remaining ´undecided´ and we can all now move forward in full support of our manager/players.

There´s no magic; just hard work, desire, will, determination.

Good times ahead.

COYS.

P.S Off my face and haven´t even put my tent up yet...

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Have a great time dude

Get some sun on that pasty ass

Spurger King said:

For a start, it actually looked fun to be playing in that team, for the first time since Harry's days. But it's hardly definitive, given the quality of the opposition.

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Spurger, I think what has been fundamentally lost in modern football is specifically the notion that watching football should first and foremost be about having fun. Perhaps, it has something to do with the amount of money in the game, the fact that it costs the average fan thousands of pounds a year to follow their team/ buy the merch etc because in a perverse way, after investing so much time and money of course the participant is going to demand satisfaction. It's what we've been trained to expect in a consumerist society.

For me this is the greatest shame however and its why I would rather watch a thrilling game (note the use of the word 'game') and lose, than watch the dullest match ever and win 1-0. This was precisely my problem with AVB even before we started losing. It was like he had drained the fun out of it and then quite honestly what is the point? It doesn't actually affect my life if we win the league or not (think about it) but have we all really become such automatons that we can only be happy with a win even at the cost of enjoyment? It's perverse.

No, for everyone who says the game is about winning I disagree. As the great Bill Nich said, the game is about glory and as we have such high expectations t Spurs (in terms of beautiful/pleasurable football) that even in defeat there is a tinge of success (or words to that effect).

Last year did a lot to kill my passion for football as well but at the very core of this disatisfaction was the inability to enjoy the games. To be honest that's why I actually enjoyed the mayhem of Interim Tim's tenure more than the fruitless anti-football of AVB. Sorry @CrazyHeart I know you'll hate to hear that but it's not about the guy personally.

OK the ref ruined the game against West Ham, but it was still thrilling to win like that. I was jumping around the room with two mates like a bunch of loons and that hasn't happened since goodness knows when. Maybe the Champions league year.

I fear that SC also suffers from forgetting to enjoy itself. Everyone is so obsessed about proving themselves right or I know more than you blah blah blah that we forget we come here to have fun and enjoy ourselves and the banter of each other. At the end of the it matters not who is right or wrong, only that we derive happiness from the interaction.

Hopefully with better football and more enjoyment on view we will all be a bit happier (and if not then perhaps football isn't for us).

I for one am simply looking forward to watching some great players try and win games playing adventurous attacking football and I have a feeling it might be a very pleasant year indeed.

davidmatzdorf said:

Because I heard him say it.



It wasn't an 'excuse' - he said it when he had just started as manager. I'm not sure if we'd even played a match, but if so it was only one and he hadn't had a chance to include or exclude anyone in the squad.

The comment was, as I said, intended to illustrate how unfamiliar he was with the first team and the whole point was not to comment on individual players, it was to air his annoyance at having been excluded from first team training.

IIRC, it was in response to a query about why he had just selected Bentaleb for his first senior match. He was making the point that he was familiar with the youth squad and knew Bentaleb could cope (and, of course, he was correct), but didn't know much about Capoue (who played in a similar position) because he hadn't been permitted to watch him train.

Capoue as an individual was just an example. It wasn't about him and certainly was not intended as a comment on Capoue's abilities.

This is a very good example of how internet factoids get a grip. People don't recall the precise wording of what was said, nor the context. Instead, they recall what fans said about it on websites days or weeks later. My brain doesn't work like that. I remember the words and the occasions hen they were spoken.

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But still, his words are quite damning. I can't think of another premier league manager who wouldn't make it his job to know and understand the strength and weaknesses of every player in the league, including their own. If he didn't know about capoue, then he was not doing his job properly. If he did know his game already then what a thing to say. Either way, the end result was a player who felt alienated from the team. Not a great example of his leadership. I think many of us fans also took it as a statement that he didn't fancy him , why else would he be so controversial?

@Sarsipius - I hear you, but you make it sound like the dullest match under AVB was somehow his ultimate desire, leaving him completely brimming with satisfaction. If anything Poch is just showing what AVB is perfectly capable of, once the players had settled, got familiar with a system and the manager had the backing of the board with no mutinous assholes going over his head. Ours was a long term project and this instant success crap in light of drastic changes just doesn't happen in reality.

This is precisely why I was thrilled at Poch's appointment. As far as I'm concerned, we've got our AVB back. To those who wanted to give Sherwood another season... well, I rest my case. Our long term stability was delayed by a year, so be it. I'm just glad Sherwood didn't do too much damage to our team in the interim.

CrazyHeart said:

@Sarsipius
This is precisely why I was thrilled at Poch's appointment. As far as I'm concerned, we've got our AVB back. To those who wanted to give Sherwood another season... well, I rest my case. Our long term stability was delayed by a year, so be it. I'm just glad Sherwood didn't do too much damage to our team in the interim.

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Yes, like having a leg fracture a second time, you know it's painful but cannot remember just how painful it was. Thank God he's now plying his trade at some backwater club, of little relevance to anyone, anywhere.

thinktank said:

I´m pissed out of my head in a hella expensive internet cafe at a campsite on the costa brave (roasting hot weather btw, haha!), I think I may well have ruined the keyboard with my tears at watching the way Lamela has played just in the first half alone.

And contrary to your belief, Sars (that´s what I´m calling you from now on btw ), I would rather not have to say "I told you so", I would much rather be proved wrong in everything I say, every single time if it meant our team was better for it. But for all the bile I - and a couple others - had to endure in trying to get it through to people what poch was about, I am now blissfully rolling around in a HUUUUUGE pile of ´I told you so´ shit, like a decadent pig without a self-satisfaction threshold.

And I deserve it.

And our club/fans deserve poch.

I am now going to order yet another tasty spanish beer and will have to bung yet more euros (will never get used to this shit currency, bring back all original euro currencies ffs; euros are generic, culturerless crap) into the ´internet meter´ to watch the second half...and cry somemore (yes, I am recieving curious glances).

Hope that game has finally changes the polarity of the remaining ´undecided´ and we can all now move forward in full support of our manager/players.

There´s no magic; just hard work, desire, will, determination.

Good times ahead.

COYS.

P.S Off my face and haven´t even put my tent up yet...

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Was anyone else picturing Larry David while imagining this scenario?

http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/08/premier-league-2014-2015-tottenham.html
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CrazyHeart said:

@Sarsipius - I hear you, but you make it sound like the dullest match under AVB was somehow his ultimate desire, leaving him completely brimming with satisfaction. If anything Poch is just showing what AVB is perfectly capable of, once the players had settled, got familiar with a system and the manager had the backing of the board with no mutinous assholes going over his head. Ours was a long term project and this instant success crap in light of drastic changes just doesn't happen in reality.

This is precisely why I was thrilled at Poch's appointment. As far as I'm concerned, we've got our AVB back. To those who wanted to give Sherwood another season... well, I rest my case. Our long term stability was delayed by a year, so be it. I'm just glad Sherwood didn't do too much damage to our team in the interim.

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Yes I take your point. Undoubtedly Poch benefits from having a more settled squad. The 'magnificent seven' have all had a year to bed in now and Lamela is fit and seemingly firing.

One still feels that AVB was his own worst enemy in ostracising Adebayor and was unlucky with a few key injuries. But my main gripe was that the attacking play was so one dimensional and constrained. The truth is even with Bale we were often boring and we needed him to score worldies every other match. That wasn't down to AVBs tactics, it was individual brilliance. It my opinion he never gave us dynamic flowing attacking football the kind we pride ourselves on at WHL and for this reason the fun seemed to drain away.

But let's not dwell on the past. Things seemed to have worked out well for both parties.

Come on you Spurs

CrazyHeart said:

@Sarsipius - I hear you, but you make it sound like the dullest match under AVB was somehow his ultimate desire, leaving him completely brimming with satisfaction. If anything Poch is just showing what AVB is perfectly capable of, once the players had settled, got familiar with a system and the manager had the backing of the board with no mutinous assholes going over his head. Ours was a long term project and this instant success crap in light of drastic changes just doesn't happen in reality.

This is precisely why I was thrilled at Poch's appointment. As far as I'm concerned, we've got our AVB back. To those who wanted to give Sherwood another season... well, I rest my case. Our long term stability was delayed by a year, so be it. I'm just glad Sherwood didn't do too much damage to our team in the interim.

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Pochettino's style of play is poles apart from AVB's.

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The contrast in the way we moved the ball yesterday, and for one another, to that of last season is staggering.

Mr Pink said:

Pochettino's style of play is poles apart from AVB's.

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The contrast in the way we moved the ball yesterday, and for one another, to that of last season is staggering.

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They had very similar intent in the way they set up Spurs' teams, in my opinion. However one never got things going, the other... too early to say but had a good start yesterday and the evidence of how Southampton played suggests things could be different.

I think the difference is that AVB had the grand overall plan of how we would play, but as I have said before I can only conclude that he didn't understand the little intricacies that make up the style of play, given the total failure at some of the basic functions of our play, and so this led to stunted play. Poch on the other hand seems to understand the way he wants his team to play down to the micro-level, such as where they stand at goal kicks as one example out of a million, and can get this across to the players and 'join the dots' tactically. The difference between a good tactician, and a not so good one... to put it in a simple sentence.