Tottenham Vs Newcastle: Match Thread

kungfugrip · Oct 27, 2014

Bobbins said:
The trouble is the squad needs a massive overhaul - more personality and character, more experience at the top level, more specialisation etc.

But the last thing we need is the usual massive squad disruption. It's one of the factors that's got us into the shitbox we're in now.

Very difficult situation to get out of this one. We're probably better off generally sticking rather than twisting. Try and grab one or two experienced characters in January, give the players a kick up the arse. Premier League experience would be preferable by far. In the summer, the same, plus a couple of specialised players. Fed up with all these utility guys that can't hold down one position. Get rid of some of the faceless robots and spineless cheque-cashers.

Don't believe any of those things will happen for one minute.

Completely agree on these two points I've highlighted, especially the first one. Whilst one or two utilty players is useful, I think too many just muddies the waters in terms of systems/formations and as a result we lack a real defined playing style where players know their roles...and excel in them. It also hinders other players or promising young players coming through who specialise in an actual position.

shelfmonkey · Oct 27, 2014

I think the biggest problem is the direction from the top, it's obvious that the club's MO is to buy players for their resale value NOT for their effective abilities on the pitch!! How many seasons has it been where the incumbent manager/coach has had to endure a new bunch of players who he either doesn't want or aren't what he requires to make his philosophy work?!! How many seasons more do we have to endure an utterly toothless strike 'force'?!! It was already embarrassing, it's now becoming tiresome!!

Mullers · Oct 27, 2014

It's amazing what a home defeat to Newcastle sparks off!

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 27, 2014

spursbhoy67 said:
SD88,

It is not about ability. It is about attitude, heart, desire, none of which we seemed to show as a team. I can accept a poor performance having seen enough of them down the years v Newcastle, but I cannot accept the total lack of commitment on show in the second half.

That my friend sums up exactly where the problem lies. I could be way off the mark on this but i think the last influential player brought in to instill all of the above was Davids. Like i said i could be wrong, but he did appear to have fight, energy and the right attitude even though he was long in the tooth. He still had a desire to be competitive, and that's something we do not have in this squad let alone team.

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 27, 2014

Mullers said:
It's amazing what a home defeat to Newcastle sparks off!

The home defeat has nothing to do with it. If you were at the game or even watched it, the manner of the defeat is simply unacceptable from a so called professional football team. An embarrassment of riches that if i was coach the players would be watching in it's entirety before training on Tuesday begins.

shelfmonkey · Oct 27, 2014

Mullers said:
It's amazing what a home defeat to Newcastle sparks off!

It's not JUST that though is it?!!

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 27, 2014

thinktank said:
Watching the game again...so far:

1. thank god I didn't watch the game with english commentary - fucking idiots (no wonder so many people come in here after games and spout crap - they just regurgitate the nonsense commentary).
2. Lamela and dier is not a solution down the right (lamela needs to play #10, simple as that)
3. Rose and chadli is not a solution down the left.

Nearly at half time...can't wait for the beginning of the second half...fuck sake.

Pretty much agreed.

Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela hasn't worked all season at PL level. It's not magically going to work anytime in the future. The answer is to change to a more supportive 4-3-3 in my opinion, shit after Sunday a 1-6-3 would be an improvement.

SpursDave88 · Oct 27, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
That my friend sums up exactly where the problem lies. I could be way off the mark on this but i think the last influential player brought in to instill all of the above was Davids. Like i said i could be wrong, but he did appear to have fight, energy and the right attitude even though he was long in the tooth. He still had a desire to be competitive, and that's something we do not have in this squad let alone team.

Parker, Gallas and if Redknapp had got his way, add Beckham to that list.

THFCSPURS19 · Oct 27, 2014

thinktank said:
Watching the game again...so far:

1. thank god I didn't watch the game with english commentary - fucking idiots (no wonder so many people come in here after games and spout crap - they just regurgitate the nonsense commentary).
2. Lamela and dier is not a solution down the right (lamela needs to play #10, simple as that)
3. Rose and chadli is not a solution down the left.

Nearly at half time...can't wait for the beginning of the second half...fuck sake.

I actually think Rose and Chadli on the left is fine but there is certainly a problem on the right, which should be partly resolved when Naughton comes back, and fully resolved when Walker returns.

shelfmonkey · Oct 27, 2014

Donki said:
We lack players with a winning mentality, a player who will take responsibility and motivate the younger less experienced players on the pitch. Its been mentioned time and time again but we lack players who will dish out a bollocking or indeed praise during the match. Yesterdays performance at home, against an absolutely terrible barcodes side was embarrassing and to be quite honest it was hard to see many players actually giving a fiddlers fuck.

Your thinking there is not wonky........Donki.

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 27, 2014

SpursDave88 said:
Parker, Gallas and if Redknapp had got his way, add Beckham to that list.

Though Parker and Gallas had already played their best football, i never see either give anything but one hundred percent. Many players stated how amazed they were at Beckham's attitude during the time he spent training at the Club.

We are lacking that type of leadership and Kaboul isn't the answer (to name but one).

tottenmal · Oct 27, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
I actually think Rose and Chadli on the left is fine but there is certainly a problem on the right, which should be partly resolved when Naughton comes back, and fully resolved when Walker returns.

I agree, so many times yesterday the ball would be switched across the field, where space was a plenty on the right hand side, but Dier as dependable as he has been filling in a RB, just doesn't have the pace required to stretch the play, and Newcastle could get back into shape.

I think we've forgotten how much we miss Walker in this regard.

DEFchenkOE · Oct 27, 2014

thinktank said:
Watching the game again...so far:

1. thank god I didn't watch the game with english commentary - fucking idiots (no wonder so many people come in here after games and spout crap - they just regurgitate the nonsense commentary).
2. Lamela and dier is not a solution down the right (lamela needs to play #10, simple as that)
3. Rose and chadli is not a solution down the left.

Nearly at half time...can't wait for the beginning of the second half...fuck sake.

Finally someone else sees this, I said a while ago that if we're to continue to play 4-2-3-1 Poch will soon have a decision to make and decide if he's going to play Lamela or Eriksen there. At the moment we're currently playing 3 players in our "3" who all want to be in the middle. Almost all of Lamela's best moments for us come when he's playing centrally. It's something that Poch will need to strongly consider as a fluid 3 of Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela is not the answer. We need at least one of them to be someone that is comfortable and happy to play and stay wide.

THFCSPURS19 · Oct 27, 2014

DEFchenkOE said:
Finally someone else sees this, I said a while ago that if we're to continue to play 4-2-3-1 Poch will soon have a decision to make and decide if he's going to play Lamela or Eriksen there. At the moment we're currently playing 3 players in our "3" who all want to be in the middle. Almost all of Lamela's best moments for us come when he's playing centrally. It's something that Poch will need to strongly consider as a fluid 3 of Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela is not the answer. We need at least one of them to be someone that is comfortable and happy to play and stay wide.

It's just not possible. We'll have to play Lennon or Townsend if we drop Eriksen or Lamela and that would be far worse IMO. We have to stick with it until January IMO and hope that we buy what we need.

CrazyHeart · Oct 27, 2014

Mullers said:
It's amazing what a home defeat to Newcastle sparks off!

I think it's the way we got beaten by Newcastle that was more of a factor than the actual result. Had it been a case where we were all over them, but couldn't find the net because Krull had the game of his life and they scored against the run of play...

spursbhoy67 · Oct 27, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
That my friend sums up exactly where the problem lies. I could be way off the mark on this but i think the last influential player brought in to instill all of the above was Davids. Like i said i could be wrong, but he did appear to have fight, energy and the right attitude even though he was long in the tooth. He still had a desire to be competitive, and that's something we do not have in this squad let alone team.

I have seen the said player fight with teammates in training, one the day before an important game all because the other player wasn't working hard in a 7v7 game. That is what made him a top player. I have seen similar players down the years and we seem to be lacking a player or players with similar qualities.

Mullers · Oct 27, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
The home defeat has nothing to do with it. If you were at the game or even watched it, the manner of the defeat is simply unacceptable from a so called professional football team. An embarrassment of riches that if i was coach the players would be watching in it's entirety before training on Tuesday begins.

That wouldn't do anything really perhaps it would stop the rot for one or two matches maybe after that they will just go back to doing the same thing before. They players don't give a shit.

DEFchenkOE · Oct 27, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
It's just not possible. We'll have to play Lennon or Townsend if we drop Eriksen or Lamela and that would be far worse IMO. We have to stick with it until January IMO and hope that we buy what we need.

Then maybe we have to switch formation. The only other way I can see us doing well with Lamela and Eriksen in the team is to do away with wide midfielders and let the width come from the full backs. Not at all ideal with Dier but maybe with Naughton, definitely with Walker or Yedlin. We may need to switch to a diamond/4-3-1-2 and put Lamela behind 2 strikers and have Eriksen deeper in a midfield 3 with Mason + another.

Walker - Kab - Vert - Rose
Mason - Someone - Eriksen
---------Lamela----------
------Kane----Soldado-----

We lost at home to one of the worst Newcastle teams since they went down, it can't get much worse. But Poch seems like he only ever plays 4-2-3-1 so I know it's not going to happen.

thinktank · Oct 27, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
Pretty much agreed.

Chadli/Eriksen/Lamela hasn't worked all season at PL level. It's not magically going to work anytime in the future. The answer is to change to a more supportive 4-3-3 in my opinion, shit after Sunday a 1-6-3 would be an improvement.

And that's not magically gonna happen.

Though it may well suit us better with the players we have at the moment, Poch will stick with 4231 and slowly adjust until he gets the right blend (will tinker a bit in jan and then major changes in the summer imo) ...he's not gonna change a system when they haven't even got this one down yet. He'll slowly work towards getting the 4231 right.

We brought him here and knew his system; Levy has to give him the players he needs to make it function properly.

What he may have to do in the short term though is make those very tough choices and drop either lamela or eriksen each game and have them duke it out for #10.

Drop Ade (for him this is obviously a tough choice as he's taken with the image of as a player and is ignoring all of the negatives he brings to the party, but it is essential if we're to improve up front).

Give stambouli some proper time in EL or cups so we can see what we really have in him and give ourselves another option.

Just watched the game again and feel sorry for dier as he was at error for the goal and totally switched off, it was unfortunate and a xxxx of a goal to concede, but he also is not a RB and has had to get on with it and done ok overall. He also didn't have much help from Lamela yesterday and really lamela needs to play in the middle in this system imo.

I still think the major problem is Ade though, once poch accepts this guy is a block to progress, more positive personnel combinations will open up to us.

Kendall · Oct 27, 2014

I don't think the players believe in each other. You can tell when a team believes they're all in it together and fight as a team. Our team is full of individuals and they seem to convinve themselves not to try because Lamela will only give the ball away and Adebayor will only trip over his own feet, Danny Rose will only put in a shit cross and Townsend will only blast one over the bar.

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