Tottenham Vs Newcastle: Match Thread

[thinktank]

I actually think Rose and Chadli on the left is fine but there is certainly a problem on the right, which should be partly resolved when Naughton comes back, and fully resolved when Walker returns.

Nah, not working for me. They are not in sync with each other and their interplay isn't good enough.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Nah, not working for me. They are not in sync with each other and their interplay isn't good enough.

Well there is no solution to the problem (I still disagree with you).

Rose was our best attacking player so he was doing something right.

 

[thinktank]

Well there is no solution to the problem (I still disagree with you).

Rose was our best attacking player so he was doing something right.

Rose did well for sure, though he needs a lot of work on his final ball still. I don't think Chadli works that well in front of him though.

 

[Mullers]

And that's not magically gonna happen.

Though it may well suit us better with the players we have at the moment, Poch will stick with 4231 and slowly adjust until he gets the right blend (will tinker a bit in jan and then major changes in the summer imo) ...he's not gonna change a system when they haven't even got this one down yet. He'll slowly work towards getting the 4231 right.

We brought him here and knew his system; Levy has to give him the players he needs to make it function properly.

What he may have to do in the short term though is make those very tough choices and drop either lamela or eriksen each game and have them duke it out for #10.

Drop Ade (for him this is obviously a tough choice as he's taken with the image of as a player and is ignoring all of the negatives he brings to the party, but it is essential if we're to improve up front).

Give stambouli some proper time in EL or cups so we can see what we really have in him and give ourselves another option.

Just watched the game again and feel sorry for dier as he was at error for the goal and totally switched off, it was unfortunate and a xxxx of a goal to concede, but he also is not a RB and has had to get on with it and done ok overall. He also didn't have much help from Lamela yesterday and really lamela needs to play in the middle in this system imo.

I still think the major problem is Ade though, once poch accepts this guy is a block to progress, more positive personnel combinations will open up to us.

I would venture to say that Poch just wants to keep on the good side of Ade seeing as he is stuck with him, after we failed to get Wellbeck because he is seen what a disruptive influence he can be if he doesn't want to play for the manager.

 

[thinktank]

It's just not possible. We'll have to play Lennon or Townsend if we drop Eriksen or Lamela and that would be far worse IMO. We have to stick with it until January IMO and hope that we buy what we need.

It is possible but poch has to stop resisting good chemistry...for example:

Soldado Eriksen Kane

Chadli

or

Soldado Lamela Kane

Chadli
​

Obvious resistance to this would be lack of pace, but I would say that if we have Walker flying down the right and rose being as progressive as he has been of late with Mason contributing positive play it would be a much better option going forward.

Those four rotating/interchanging would be much more harmonious and would create many more effective attacks imo.

For the short time kane and soldado were on we look much more of a threat up front and I think chadli is more than capable of playing point though at the same time rotating in a four.

I think poch has to look out of the box a little for the short term solution until he can get the right pieces for the jigsaw.

You remove Ade and all of a sudden you have several choices...this is why I've been banging on about him being the main problem.

In the four there, you have guile, strength, intelligence and goals.

In my 'umble opinion, squire..

 

[thinktank]

I would venture to say that Poch just wants to keep on the good side of Ade seeing as he is stuck with him, after we failed to get Wellbeck because he is seen what a disruptive influence he can be if he doesn't want to play for the manager.

Not sure about that...not poch's style, he's not afraid to fuck anyone off and if Ade played up he'd just be out of here.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It is possible but poch has to stop resisting good chemistry...for example:

Soldado Eriksen Kane

Chadli

or

Soldado Lamela Kane

Chadli
​

Obvious resistance to this would be lack of pace, but I would say that if we have Walker flying down the right and rose being as progressive as he has been of late with Mason contributing positive play it would be a much better option going forward.

Those four rotating/interchanging would be much more harmonious and would create many more effective attacks imo.

For the short time kane and soldado were on we look much more of a threat up front and I think chadli is more than capable of playing point though at the same time rotating in a four.

I think poch has to look out of the box a little for the short term solution until he can get the right pieces for the jigsaw.

You remove Ade and all of a sudden you have several choices...this is why I've been banging on about him being the main problem.

In the four there, you have guile, strength, intelligence and goals.

In my 'umble opinion, squire..

Sorry mate, but that's absolutely awful IMO.

 

[Monkey boy]

I think it's the way we got beaten by Newcastle that was more of a factor than the actual result. Had it been a case where we were all over them, but couldn't find the net because Krull had the game of his life and they scored against the run of play...

You're spot on there, usually after an hour or so I generally accept the defeat and move on BUT 24 hours later and im still absolutely raging. Ive not been able to do any work as I keep thinking about how the hell we managed to let Newcastle back into the game when they had no right too, I keep thinking about Chadlis laugh after he ballooned that glorious chance over the bar in the first half, I keep thinking back to how little effort Eriksen and Lamela were showing, I keep thinking back to how the fuck the smallest, not only in height but body weight player on the pitch beat 3 of our defenders to score a header, I keep thinking back to Pochs willingness to sit on his hands and do nothing while it was so obvious we needed to change ANYTHING!

Talk of a protest is probably OTT but ive got to say that ive not taken a defeat this badly for many a year.

 

[thinktank]

Sorry mate, but that's absolutely awful IMO.

Nah, it'd work I tell ya.

 

[Mullers]

Not sure about that...not poch's style, he's not afraid to fuck anyone off and if Ade played up he'd just be out of here.

Without someone paying a fee and his wages and Ade himself wanting to go, he wouldn't be. AVB wanted him out and couldn't get him out.

 

[thinktank]

Without someone paying a fee and his wages and Ade himself wanting to go, he wouldn't be. AVB wanted him out and couldn't get him out.

Well he'd just be on the bench then. I'm sure trix said players will be left to rot on the bench if not desired and don't want to go.

Poch likes the look of Ade, that's the problem...but the look of Ade is nothing like the actual player and his eventual product.

 

[SpursDave88]

Just my opinion but I think we are being a bit unfair to Ade on here. He took his goal well and did no worse than Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue, Chadli, Mason or Dier to name a few...they were all as bad as eachother. The only player that did anything positive in the game really was Rose.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Just my opinion but I think we are being a bit unfair to Ade on here. He took his goal well and did no worse than Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue, Chadli, Mason or Dier to name a few...they were all as bad as eachother. The only player that did anything positive in the game really was Rose.

How was Mason bad?

 

[thinktank]

Just my opinion but I think we are being a bit unfair to Ade on here. He took his goal well and did no worse than Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue, Chadli, Mason or Dier to name a few...they were all as bad as eachother. The only player that did anything positive in the game really was Rose.

well it's not his fault he's getting picked, I'll give him that much. He scored a header put on a plate for him which was fine. But his play and movement is not clever enough for what we need to be doing. I'm sure it could be if he was more bothered but he just isn't.

Soldado and kane came on and interchanged naturally with an natrual connection and was on the same wavelength. Ade is on his own wavelength. He doesn't suit what we're trying to achieve and I'm surprised poch is persisting with him.

 

[Kendall]

Shut up you WUM.

"Whatever mate"

I can understand how Adebayor scoring as many Prem goals from open play this season as Soldado has in his entire career might wind you up, so we'll leave it at that.

 

[stemark44]

As Tim Sherwood pointed out ages ago.............our players are much of a muchness with little difference in quality between them.
The worrying thing is that we added Davies,Strombouli and Fazio to that group in the summer and if they are not impressing the manager enough to even start in this team.................then its beginning to look like we have signed even more mediocre players.

I would prefer if we just played our own youngsters who have come through our system than the over priced layabouts who currently disgrace our shirt..........we really couldn't be any worse off.
If I was Poch.........I would be giving a few more of our under 21's a chance to see what they can do and then see whats needed in January to help them gel as a team.

 

[SpursDave88]

How was Mason bad?

I must have missed him dictating the play from the middle of the park...

He was completely anonymous, not what you want from a centre mid...just because he is a youth product, let's not be completely blind to this.

 

[only1waddle]

It is possible but poch has to stop resisting good chemistry...for example:

Soldado Eriksen Kane

Chadli

or

Soldado Lamela Kane

Chadli
​

Obvious resistance to this would be lack of pace, but I would say that if we have Walker flying down the right and rose being as progressive as he has been of late with Mason contributing positive play it would be a much better option going forward.

Those four rotating/interchanging would be much more harmonious and would create many more effective attacks imo.

For the short time kane and soldado were on we look much more of a threat up front and I think chadli is more than capable of playing point though at the same time rotating in a four.

I think poch has to look out of the box a little for the short term solution until he can get the right pieces for the jigsaw.

You remove Ade and all of a sudden you have several choices...this is why I've been banging on about him being the main problem.

In the four there, you have guile, strength, intelligence and goals.

In my 'umble opinion, squire..

Shoehorning Soldado into that right side is all wrong, he won't track back, no balance at all, Fredericks would have been a better fit.

Fredericks Eriksen Chadli
Soldado​

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I must have missed him dictating the play from the middle of the park...

He was completely anonymous, not what you want from a centre mid...just because he is a youth product, let's not be completely blind to this.

He wasn't completely anonymous. Mason, Rose and at times Eriksen were the only players trying to do anything. Have you forgot his assists as well?

Sigh.

 

[Kendall]

He wasn't completely anonymous. Mason, Rose and at times Eriksen were the only players trying to do anything. Have you forgot his assists as well?

Sigh.

Don't you WTF my facts, sonny Jim.