In a 4-2-3-1 which players should be our 2 dM's

dannythomas · Dec 27, 2014

Assuming Poch sticks rigidly to his 4-2-3-1 it is pretty clear that the Bentaleb -Mason combination cannot do the job. Many of us would prefer a 4-3-3 with perhaps Dembele as the 3 rd midfield player and a fluid front 3 . But assuming our candidates for the 2 DM's are Mason, Stambouli, Bentaleb and Capoue, plus at a stretch Dembele and Paulinho ( both better in advanced positions ) who would you choose in those 2 holding positions ? For me, despite his poor game today, Bentaleb has to play and I would still give Stambouli a few more games, if only because Mason is looking awful and I really don't rate Capoue. But I have included Dembele and Paulinho in the choices because there aren't that many options.

For me this is a must strengthen area in the window.

Spurger King · Dec 27, 2014

dannythomas said:
For me this is a must strengthen area in the window.

No point in voting because this sums it up perfectly. I don't think there's any combination of those players that is good enough. At a push I'd go for Mason and Capoue, but that would still be pretty powderpuff.

LexingtonSpurs · Dec 27, 2014

Its a flawed position. Demeble does not move the ball foward fast enough for my liking, Paulinho does not have the defensive skills to play the position. Capoue seems to have fallen out of favor.

I really wanted Stambouli to be the answer, but if he is the answer, I probably don't want to know the question. Bentaleb and Mason are still too inexperienced - we need someone who can take charge - both in defense and in possession. Really beating a dead horse, but Schneiderlin would have done wonders for the squad.

Ghost Hardware · Dec 27, 2014

Stambouli needs more game time in the league to adjust to pace and physicality of it. No wonder his performances are hit and miss really. I actually still think he has the potential to be a good player for us. I do agree we need a really talented CM but we are overloaded in the position so need to sell a few first.

dannythomas · Dec 27, 2014

If we ran a poll to say what system should we play given the players we have I don't think 4-2-3-1 would get many votes. I think 4-3-3 , 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 or a midfield diamond would all get more votes. Unfortunately Poch doesn't see it that way, so right now the poll options are unfortunately the only ones available and that is why we are getting played off the park by teams with less talented players, winning more by luck than design. We will need more than luck in our next 2 matches.

DaSpurs · Dec 27, 2014

dannythomas said:
If we ran a poll to say what system should we play given the players we have I don't think 4-2-3-1 would get many votes. I think 4-3-3 , 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 or a midfield diamond would all get more votes. Unfortunately Poch doesn't see it that way, so right now the poll options are unfortunately the only ones available and that is why we are getting played off the park by teams with less talented players, winning more by luck than design. We will need more than luck in our next 2 matches.

I have no problem with the 4-2-3-1, we just don't currently have the right personnel for it from deep. We flat out need personnel improvement to make it work, not looking for the answer among our current options.

fatpiranha · Dec 27, 2014

Personally i'd go with an option not available on the poll. Mason and Chiriches.

We need Mason because he moves the ball forward quickly and actually tackles far more often than he is given credit for and Chiriches can tackle and has the pace to actually get back and help our defence. We can't afford to let the likes of Rooney get one on one with Fazio.

dannythomas · Dec 27, 2014

fatpiranha said:
Personally i'd go with an option not available on the poll. Mason and Chiriches.

We need Mason because he moves the ball forward quickly and actually tackles far more often than he is given credit for and Chiriches can tackle and has the pace to actually get back and help our defence. We can't afford to let the likes of Rooney get one on one with Fazio.

Now added Chiriches as an option.

midge · Dec 27, 2014

I would group the players into 2 groups.

The destructive group that sits deeper and protects the back 4 more
Bentaleb, Stambouli, Capoue

The creative group that joins in the attack more
Mason, Dembele, Paulinho

Not sure where Chiriches fits in

But a mix of 1 from each group would be the ideal blend for the 2 roles protecting the back 4. Ideally we get an old head and a young energetic one

Shadydan · Dec 27, 2014

We have the players in Bentaleb and Mason, it's whether you have the patience for them to learn and adapt.

Larryjanta · Dec 27, 2014

Bentaleb and Mason when we will dominate possession. Capoue or Stambo In for one of them when we won't.

They will both have shit games and others where they get dominated but these two have the potential to be excellent footballers and need the time to make mistakes.

Bentaleb is 20, he could go on to be a world beater. Sure, he'll have off days, but if we are patient, him and Mason could dominate our CM positions for years xx

JUSTINSIGNAL · Dec 27, 2014

Bentaleb and mason have played well together quite a few times in a 4-2-3-1. Just because we were lacklustre yesterday is not a que to rip up a developing partnership.

They are lacking experience which will mean sometimes getting dominated by midfields with lesser ability as they struggle to control the momentum against them. This is purely down to experience not the system or lack of ability.

I agree we need a midfielder with similar qualities to both of them for squad depth as none of out other options seem the right fit. But I believe in the long term mason and Bentaleb will be better for the experience they are gaining this season.

walworthyid · Dec 27, 2014

None of them. There are talented players but we need a real passing holding midfield player. I don't know why we didn't go after Alex song.

JaySpur · Dec 27, 2014

We don't always need or require 2 orthodox DM's in that system. 2 complete CM's with defensive and attacking abilities would be an ideal combination for the vast majority of games.

Coaching our players to add to their skillset, of any deficienies, would see us set well for the future.

Mullers · Dec 27, 2014

Bentaleb and Mason aside the rest of the options make for depressing reading.

Chris12 · Dec 27, 2014

Actually wouldn't mind seeing what Vlad is like in the DM position alongside someone else.

jamesc0le · Dec 27, 2014

chiriches n vertonghen

RuskyM · Dec 27, 2014

Bentaleb and another.

Blake Griffin · Dec 27, 2014

i'm fine with mason and bentaleb, they have heart and can both play. after that i still trust dembele more than the others.

JAYSTAR · Dec 27, 2014

I would play Dembele and Mason. Mason loves winning the ball back, dembele is great at not losing it and inviting pressure on our defence, which is something we need right now. Mason looks to move the ball on quickly and is a decent passer and dembele can carry the ball forward and into the opposition half. All the others lose the ball too easily or don't have the skill to carry it and move into opposition territory. One of our biggest problems is that teams come and pressure our midfield from Lloris' kick outs and we end up losing possession in our own half which puts us under all sorts of pressure. Capoue is too slow to recover when the ball is stolen in midfield and Stambouli is just too slow to recover as well.

Dembele should be allowed to play as the dm and Mason the creator IMO and both given freedom to attack alternately when it's worth it and wide players need to be willing to drop and cover the middle if not involved.

There is no doubt that dembele may slow things down a bit, but generally he comes on and sures things up as well when brought on as a sub. We need a player like this in a 2 man midfield. Sandro used to do that job and dembele was the Mason type player when they were one of the best partnerships in the league, but I think dembele has become even more defensive these days and has no confidence in the final third, so should have a go playing the sandro role.

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