Sydney FC Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
Don't you hate lamela? I only ask as its funny reading all this "he needs time to adapt" stuff when last year you would have hung drawn and quartered lamela

Lamela had experience of European football moving from Argentina to Italy and then on to England having a record goal scoring season. This is Lamela'second season.

Yedlin moved here in January from the States for a fraction of the cost of Lamela and far, far less experience, yet the original poster seemed to suggest that Poch was having second thoughts about the player as he had not started a game.

Even the most stupidest of Spurs fans can see the disconnect between the two players.

Finally i don't "hate" any Spurs player so stop trying to suggest so.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Lamela had experience of European football moving from Argentina to Italy and then on to England having a record goal scoring season. This is Lamela'second season.

Yedlin moved here in January from the States for a fraction of the cost of Lamela and far, far less experience, yet the original poster seemed to suggest that Poch was having second thoughts about the player as he had not started a game.

Even the most stupidest of Spurs fans can see the disconnect between the two players.

How did he have experience of European football before he moved to Italy?

He had 2 years European experience and I don't understand how the culture argument that you use for Yedlin does not apply for Lamela, they're both roughly the same age.

It doesn't matter, it's obvious that it's a price thing with you. If Lamela had cost £2m you might be saying the same thing?

At the end of the day there was a good reason why we paid as much as we did for Lamela. Yedlin was a shot to nothing, low risk, but both came from totally different cultures, both were young and both came from inferior leagues. It's just that one, Lamela, banged in 15 goals in a much better league the the MLS.

Anyway, enough of that, wrong thread etc etc.

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
How did he have experience of European football before he moved to Italy?

He had 2 years European experience and I don't understand how the culture argument that you use for Yedlin does not apply for Lamela, they're both roughly the same age.

It doesn't matter, it's obvious that it's a price thing with you. If Lamela had cost £2m you might be saying the same thing?

At the end of the day there was a good reason why we paid as much as we did for Lamela. Yedlin was a shot to nothing, low risk, but both came from totally different cultures, both were young and both came from inferior leagues. It's just that one, Lamela, banged in 15 goals in a much better league the the MLS.

Anyway, enough of that, wrong thread etc etc.

If the "good reason" for paying a club record fee was potential (because there can be no other logical reason) then the same should be said of Yedlin and not some dismissive bullshit being written on here.

You can't have it both ways if the transfer fee is taken out of the argument.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
If the "good reason" for paying a club record fee was potential (because there can be no other logical reason) then the same should be said of Yedlin and not some dismissive bullshit being written on here.

You can't have it both ways if the transfer fee is taken out of the argument.

Errrr, Lamela scored 15 goals in a top European league. Bit of a difference from Yedlin, no? Yes we paid for potential as well but there was obviously a player there already, we just had to help him adapt. Yedlin is like a blank canvas, pretty much. Very, very raw. Hence why he didn't got a look in last season

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
Errrr, Lamela scored 15 goals in a top European league. Bit of a difference from Yedlin, no? Yes we paid for potential as well but there was obviously a player there already, we just had to help him adapt. Yedlin is like a blank canvas, pretty much. Very, very raw. Hence why he hasn't got a look in last season

He came in January not two seasons ago. I make that half a season?

Lamela has just broken through and this after two seasons, some games being taken off yet you want Yedlin to start. Thank God Poch is running the team. Have you ever played this game at any level of recognition?

TheGreenLily · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Lamela had experience of European football moving from Argentina to Italy and then on to England having a record goal scoring season. This is Lamela's "first real season", his first season was plagued by injuries.

Yedlin moved here in January from the States for a fraction of the cost of Lamela and far, far less experience, yet the original poster seemed to suggest that Poch was having second thoughts about the player as he had not started a game.

Even the most stupidest of Spurs fans can see the disconnect between the two players.

Finally i don't "hate" any Spurs player so stop trying to suggest so.

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 1, 2015

TheGreenLily said:

Nothing wrong wIth that. He's had two years to adjust to another culture and country. Yedlin six months.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
He came in January not two seasons ago. I make that half a season?

Lamela has just broken through and this after two seasons, some games being taken off yet you want Yedlin to start. Thank God Poch is running the team. Have you ever played this game at any level of recognition?

Sorry, you've confused me

I think you're saying, and correct me if I am wrong, that Lamela has had 2 seasons so should be breaking into the team by now whether Yedlin has only been here since Jan so it's understandable he's not playing, which I agree with, I don't think he should be anywhere near the first team yet.

If that is what you're saying then I half agree. I agree that Yedlin will need lots of time, in fact I said as much when we first signed him and when I suggested he go dtraight out on loan I got shot down by a few. I don't agree with the Lamela bit as he only started 3 league games in his first season and missed the bulk of iot due to injury so last season was the first time he's got a lot of minutes under his belt.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Nothing wrong wIth that. He's had two years to adjust to another culture and country. Yedlin six months.

Yedlin has a massive head start over Lamela in the fact he speaks English so really he should settle in a lot quicker

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
Yedlin has a massive head start over Lamela in the fact he speaks English so really he should settle in a lot quicker

Next you will be using that excuse for Poch next season when Stoke rinse us again....

TheGreenLily · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Nothing wrong wIth that. He's had two years to adjust to another culture and country. Yedlin sixmonths.

Time to adjust culturally, then yes he has had two years to adapt. Wouldn't say that about playing though... But then remember Yedlin is a native English speak and in some cases that can enormously help out and ease the integration.

So it probably comes down too not being able to compare at all as both are adapting completely differently to different circumstances.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Next you will be using that excuse for Poch next season when Stoke rinse us again....

WTF are you going on about?

Just admit that you have one set of rules for players you like and another set for players you don't. It's ok, most football fans contradict themselves all the time.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

TheGreenLily said:
Time to adjust culturally, then yes he has had two years to adapt. Wouldn't say that about playing though... But then remember Yedlin is a native English speak and in some cases that can enormously help out and ease the integration.

So it probably comes down too not being able to compare at all as both are adapting completely differently to different circumstances.

Except he doesn't want to use his argument for all players, just ones he likes.

I think Yedlin needs time to adapt, even though he speaks English, Lamela can fuck off though, he should adapt straight away even though he doesn't speak the language and just like Yedlin has no experience of EPL football.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jun 1, 2015

Flashspur said:
Hi Coopsie, there were a few wayward passes to begin with, which you'd expect in the first 10 minutes but this was a very good passing display overall. Sydney were not easy to play against and they play a very similar game, relying on posession and quick breaks. They are also a pacey side and tried to break up play as much as possible.

My real excitement came from our movement once the lads started to warm up. It was a joy to watch. I am really commenting on this in reference to our performances earlier in the season when we were so bloody static and the movement was awful reminding me of the worst days under AVB.

Poch is developing a real possession based game with this team and the movement was very un-English. It was pure continental. The static movement and standing around waiting for the ball to feet was gone. Everyone was moving and offering themselves as options. The control was great. I think this was partly to do with it being a friendly and the lads being able to relax, but the teams real DNA is starting to shine through. There was a lot of slick passing patterns and continuous probing of Sydney's formation and quite a bit of patience being displayed. It was keep ball until opportunities appeared. As soon as the gaps appeared, we had an extra man to take the pass. You can see its a work in progress but the green shoots are well and truly growing now.

I know a lot of people on here have this fixation on the instantaneous forward pass but if there isnt someone to receive it, you are then fighting to get it back. Bill Nick used to say something about you cant win a game without the ball.

The main complaint I have is that we do not stretch the opposition enough and youve all heard the same complaints on here. The front 3 behind Harry cut in and if the opposition play narrow we run into brick walls. The FB's still aren't overlapping and generally I think the team are still very cautious about being exposed with the high line.

The other thing is that playing such a high line leaves you open to instant punishment if your passes are wayward. We left ourselves exposed a few times and you can see why the defensive record for goals against was so bloody awful. This is probably going to be the hardest bit of Poch's rewiring of Spurs and last season was proof that we dont know how to do it properly yet. I think next season we'll still be a work in progress on the high line but we'll cut more of the silly errors out.

I do a bit of work with the A League and the Football Federation on the legal side and know a few people with good footballing backgrounds and they were very impressed by the quality of Spurs and the very 'unEnglishness' of the team. Sorry, that probably sounds like an insult but its actually quite a compliment coming from these guys who have mainly European and South American backgrounds.

Hi Flash, thank you for such a detailed post. It's always really nice (for me) to hear from anyone who had the fortune to actually be at any of our live fixtures. It certainly sounds like there's reason to be optimistic, maybe not immediately, but some time in the not so distant future. Hopefully we get to see Pochettino sorting out the glaringly obvious defensive issues you pointed out, though maybe he's not that bothered, and is just going to go for the old Ardiles "they score 4 and we'll try to score 5" mentality

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Also, thanks for the bit at the end of your post. It's nice to see that the 'football people' were impressed with our un-English style of play. No need for the apology, though, it was a perfectly fair & reasonable comment, and, like you, I see it as a compliment. Thanks again fella (y)

jezz · Jun 1, 2015

Sir Henry said:
Have you actually got anything worthwhile to say or you gonna just copy and paste other peoples comments ?

Excellent, so if my 20 year old daughter starts crystal meth, I just give her a hug and tell her its ok its a mistake, you're just young. Then if she does it for the 4th/5th time, I just say 'you're learning' it will get better as you get older but we might have to reassess things soon. Dont worry though sweetheart, if you do it again I'll have a well timed bunch of bullshit excuses to tell your friends. On the plus side, you're fine, all your friends take meth too so its ok.

Or, could I not just tell her shes fucking 20 years old not fucking stupid, kick the shit out of her and tell her if she does it again I'm gonna kick her in the fanny ?

Which one would stop her doing it again ?

Sounds like your daughter should giving you a kicking for taking crystal meth.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

jezz said:
Sounds like your daughter should giving you a kicking for taking crystal meth.

Lamela does look like a meth head, to be fair.

He has the look of a dragon chaser as well. I bet he goes all Adebayor's brother and steals the lads phones in the changing rooms after matches,

CoopsieDeadpool · Jun 1, 2015

Guys, guys, guys. Why the falling out over Lamela and Yedlin? They're both practically kids, and both will have issues settling into their new surroundings.

YES when next season starts, it will be Lamela's third season with us. However, his first one was riddled with injury & the fact he had to play under two VERY CONTRASTING managers, one of which had no idea how to use him, and the other one didn't find him English enough. His second season was one in which the team was, for whatever reason, playing an extremely mundane brand of football, a brand which really never suited anyone's game, other than Kane & Chadli. Coming up is his third season, which, by sheer coincidence, is precisely the season in which he finally lit up Serie A football, and persuaded whoever was responsible for pursuing his services, to pursue & sign him. So, how about we see if the same happens here, rather than proclaim him as shit, and argue amongst eachother?

Those who see him as an unmitigated failure, move to a different country or continent, one with a totally different culture, and a language which you don't even understand, let alone speak. I'll be interested to see how long it is before you're working to the same standard you were in your own country.

As for Yedlin, YES he speaks English, but he's already spoken about HIS NEED to adjust to the different culture, and has even praised our management team for allowing him the time to do just that. Why on earth should a 21 year old kid be expected to leave behind EVERYTHING he's ever known, even his family, and be expected to make an immediate impact? Again, I'm assuming those who are being so dismissive of the lad, or saying he should settle quicker because he speaks the lingo, would have no issue whatsoever settling in & doing their job, if they did exactly the same thing (in their line of work) when they are / were 21 years of age?

Come on, no need for the nastiness

TheGreenLily · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
Except he doesn't want to use his argument for all players, just ones he likes.

I think Yedlin needs time to adapt, even though he speaks English, Lamela can fuck off though, he should adapt straight away even though he doesn't speak the language and just like Yedlin has no experience of EPL football.

I personally think Yedlin should have been used earlier.

RB has been a problem for us this year, give Yedlin a run, would have done us no harm at all.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jun 1, 2015

E17yid said:
Lamela does look like a meth head, to be fair.

He has the look of a dragon chaser as well. I bet he goes all Adebayor's brother and steals the lads phones in the changing rooms after matches,

Man that's just pathetic! You really should be ashamed of yourself there fella.

E17yid · Jun 1, 2015

coopsieyid said:
Man that's just pathetic! You really should be ashamed of yourself there fella.

Serious? Believe it or not, I don't think lamela is really a smack head.

If it makes you feel better I Will whip myself later as penance. Repent and thou shall be saved.

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